LDS Freedom Forum

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:16 pm Here we have a church that supposedly had multiple talks about avoiding racism, yet the man himself promotes religious bigotry and prejudice.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:16 pm Here we have a church that supposedly had multiple talks about avoiding racism, yet the man himself promotes religious bigotry and prejudice.

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:16 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:37 pm

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:32 pm

Not at all. What we’re dealing with is a classic case of "they can leave the church, but they can’t leave it alone."

And if you leave the church, you are apparently a disciple of satan. Go figure.

BTW, I think you’d be surprised at the number of people who have thanked me for speaking up. I’ve had about 10,000 people visit my website. Your tired phrase of “they can leave the church, but they can’t leave it alone.” is such a weak argument for when a person is striving to show where the church has left behind Christ’s teachings. You could use the same argument with any person who leaves a church when the church becomes apostate. According to the church, it’s never them, it’s always the member.

You recently proudly announced that you were writing your resignation letter. Then earlier this morning you proudly announced your exit from the church. Yet here you still are hours later all worked up about this or that line from General Conference. I think you really enjoy the attention and want vindication for your decision.

If you want to be free from the church, let it go and move on with your life. Quit spending all of your spare time complaining about the church and trying to prove this or that about the church. Stop worrying about what a church you no longer belong to does. Go in peace and live your life.

Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:59 am The invention of the words “conspiracy theory” came into being after JFK murder by the deep state. This label is used to besmirch anyone brave enough to call attention to a secret combination hell bent on global governance/tyranny.

I see this as a clever attempt to defame anyone who questions the decisions, policies and doctrines that are being taught. Using that scripture is meant to frighten members into the belief that anyone who questions their decisions are possessed of seducing spirits.

Just like his Peacemaker talk was crafted to dissuade anyone from questioning them or their policies- this is part two. He has been crafting this over the last six months and he is good at what he does.

The red, beady eyes behind the creepy smile give him away.

Godislove wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:38 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:16 pm Here we have a church that supposedly had multiple talks about avoiding racism, yet the man himself promotes religious bigotry and prejudice.

By quoting scripture?

Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:59 am The invention of the words “conspiracy theory” came into being after JFK murder by the deep state. This label is used to besmirch anyone brave enough to call attention to a secret combination hell bent on global governance/tyranny.

I see this as a clever attempt to defame anyone who questions the decisions, policies and doctrines that are being taught. Using that scripture is meant to frighten members into the belief that anyone who questions their decisions are possessed of seducing spirits.

Just like his Peacemaker talk was crafted to dissuade anyone from questioning them or their policies- this is part two. He has been crafting this over the last six months and he is good at what he does.

The red, beady eyes behind the creepy smile give him away.

TwochurchesOnly wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:46 am

FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:24 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 10:38 pm Here is the entire paragraph. It doesn’t get better:

“As you think celestial, you will view trials and opposition in a new light. When someone you love attacks truth, think celestial and don’t question your testimony. The apostle Paul prophesied that “in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” There is no end to the adversary’s deceptions. Please be prepared. Never take counsel from those who do not believe. Seek guidance from voices you can trust. From prophets, seers, and revelators and from the whisperings of the Holy Ghost who will show unto you the things what ye should do. Please do the spiritual work to increase your capacity to receive personal revelation. As you think celestial, your faith will increase.“

Such a screwed up mishmash of philosophies and ideas here.

thanks for the full quote in context.

The Gospel of Christ, twisted with expertise to benefit the strength of the global conglomerate by undermining families and alienating anyone attempting to wake up the lost.

but he begs "please"- twice, so irresistable

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

Atrasado wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 9:51 pm

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 9:43 pm He puts up a facade with his smiling and tender speaking. It's emotional manipulation and I find it very errie.

He's so happy when he carefully tells ten truths and then a subtle and damning lie. He hides it carefully, but I sense a little bit of duper's delight. I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

I see no correlation between what goes on here on this forum and what Moroni did. I understand the desire to vent and interact with like-minded individuals, but let’s not act like this is something it’s not.

Mankind is not being warned or woken up based on a few dozen anonymous individuals on a forum almost no one even knows exists, let alone reads, airing their grievances with a specific church, most have either left behind or are in the process of leaving behind. What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:11 am

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

I see no correlation between what goes on here on this forum and what Moroni did. I understand the desire to vent and interact with like-minded individuals, but let’s not act like this is something it’s not.

Mankind is not being warned or woken up based on a few dozen anonymous individuals on a forum almost no one even knows exists, let alone reads, airing their grievances with a specific church, most have either left behind or are in the process of leaving behind. What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

There are many people on this forum that do believe. They believe Joseph Smith. They believe the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. They feel like the Church of Jesus Christ has fallen astray, or at minimum the current leadership is starting to stray from older teachings from the Church. Others feel like the current leadership despite calling themselves prophets, seers, and revelators, have not exhibited the fruits of them. Others have prayed for a witness of that, and have not gotten an answer.

Until about 24 hours ago, I was in this camp of saying the leadership possess no fruits of being called prophets, seers, and revelators. With Nelson's talk, I felt something that I hadn't felt in a while. The last time I felt it, it was while I was a missionary, 17 years ago. An unmistakable feeling from on high. The same feeling that I had over twenty years ago when I prayed to know about the veracity of the Book of Mormon, through which I learned that I could pray to know the truth of all things.

The Lord is calling on EVERYONE, through His messengers, to repent. These messengers are not all exclusively within the Church of Jesus Christ. And there are some within the Church of Jesus Christ that claim to be His messengers, but are really infiltrators seeking to damage the flock.

A lot of these messengers that are identified as the true messengers will have a dubious past. The sons of Mosiah along with Alma Junior certainly had sordid pasts. Joseph Smith had a checkered history of sorts. Don't get me started with Brigham Young. Everyone on this board is aware of Nelson's past memberships in college fraternities and secret societies. The fact of the matter is if you truly repent of your past actions, and then pledge yourself in service to the Almighty wherever He might call you, the Almighty will cover you and your sins discarded. You become born again with a new identity. The current prophet (who I have no qualms now in declaring that he is a prophet), has mentioned what that new identity should be:

Son of God.
Son of the Covenant.
Disciple of Jesus Christ.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:11 am

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

I see no correlation between what goes on here on this forum and what Moroni did. I understand the desire to vent and interact with like-minded individuals, but let’s not act like this is something it’s not.

Mankind is not being warned or woken up based on a few dozen anonymous individuals on a forum almost no one even knows exists, let alone reads, airing their grievances with a specific church, most have either left behind or are in the process of leaving behind. What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

There are many people on this forum that do believe. They believe Joseph Smith. They believe the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. They feel like the Church of Jesus Christ has fallen astray, or at minimum the current leadership is starting to stray from older teachings from the Church. Others feel like the current leadership despite calling themselves prophets, seers, and revelators, have not exhibited the fruits of them. Others have prayed for a witness of that, and have not gotten an answer.

Until about 24 hours ago, I was in this camp of saying the leadership possess no fruits of being called prophets, seers, and revelators. With Nelson's talk, I felt something that I hadn't felt in a while. The last time I felt it, it was while I was a missionary, 17 years ago. An unmistakable feeling from on high. The same feeling that I had over twenty years ago when I prayed to know about the veracity of the Book of Mormon, through which I learned that I could pray to know the truth of all things.

The Lord is calling on EVERYONE, through His messengers, to repent. These messengers are not all exclusively within the Church of Jesus Christ. And there are some within the Church of Jesus Christ that claim to be His messengers, but are really infiltrators seeking to damage the flock.

A lot of these messengers that are identified as the true messengers will have a dubious past. The sons of Mosiah along with Alma Junior certainly had sordid pasts. Joseph Smith had a checkered history of sorts. Don't get me started with Brigham Young. Everyone on this board is aware of Nelson's past memberships in college fraternities and secret societies. The fact of the matter is if you truly repent of your past actions, and then pledge yourself in service to the Almighty wherever He might call you, the Almighty will cover you and your sins discarded. You become born again with a new identity. The current prophet (who I have no qualms now in declaring that he is a prophet), has mentioned what that new identity should be:

Son of God.
Son of the Covenant.
Disciple of Jesus Christ.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:11 am

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

I see no correlation between what goes on here on this forum and what Moroni did. I understand the desire to vent and interact with like-minded individuals, but let’s not act like this is something it’s not.

Mankind is not being warned or woken up based on a few dozen anonymous individuals on a forum almost no one even knows exists, let alone reads, airing their grievances with a specific church, most have either left behind or are in the process of leaving behind. What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

There are many people on this forum that do believe. They believe Joseph Smith. They believe the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. They feel like the Church of Jesus Christ has fallen astray, or at minimum the current leadership is starting to stray from older teachings from the Church. Others feel like the current leadership despite calling themselves prophets, seers, and revelators, have not exhibited the fruits of them. Others have prayed for a witness of that, and have not gotten an answer.

Until about 24 hours ago, I was in this camp of saying the leadership possess no fruits of being called prophets, seers, and revelators. With Nelson's talk, I felt something that I hadn't felt in a while. The last time I felt it, it was while I was a missionary, 17 years ago. An unmistakable feeling from on high. The same feeling that I had over twenty years ago when I prayed to know about the veracity of the Book of Mormon, through which I learned that I could pray to know the truth of all things.

The Lord is calling on EVERYONE, through His messengers, to repent. These messengers are not all exclusively within the Church of Jesus Christ. And there are some within the Church of Jesus Christ that claim to be His messengers, but are really infiltrators seeking to damage the flock.

A lot of these messengers that are identified as the true messengers will have a dubious past. The sons of Mosiah along with Alma Junior certainly had sordid pasts. Joseph Smith had a checkered history of sorts. Don't get me started with Brigham Young. Everyone on this board is aware of Nelson's past memberships in college fraternities and secret societies. The fact of the matter is if you truly repent of your past actions, and then pledge yourself in service to the Almighty wherever He might call you, the Almighty will cover you and your sins discarded. You become born again with a new identity. The current prophet (who I have no qualms now in declaring that he is a prophet), has mentioned what that new identity should be:

Son of God.
Son of the Covenant.
Disciple of Jesus Christ.

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:40 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:11 am

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

I see no correlation between what goes on here on this forum and what Moroni did. I understand the desire to vent and interact with like-minded individuals, but let’s not act like this is something it’s not.

Mankind is not being warned or woken up based on a few dozen anonymous individuals on a forum almost no one even knows exists, let alone reads, airing their grievances with a specific church, most have either left behind or are in the process of leaving behind. What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

There are many people on this forum that do believe. They believe Joseph Smith. They believe the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. They feel like the Church of Jesus Christ has fallen astray, or at minimum the current leadership is starting to stray from older teachings from the Church. Others feel like the current leadership despite calling themselves prophets, seers, and revelators, have not exhibited the fruits of them. Others have prayed for a witness of that, and have not gotten an answer.

Until about 24 hours ago, I was in this camp of saying the leadership possess no fruits of being called prophets, seers, and revelators. With Nelson's talk, I felt something that I hadn't felt in a while. The last time I felt it, it was while I was a missionary, 17 years ago. An unmistakable feeling from on high. The same feeling that I had over twenty years ago when I prayed to know about the veracity of the Book of Mormon, through which I learned that I could pray to know the truth of all things.

The Lord is calling on EVERYONE, through His messengers, to repent. These messengers are not all exclusively within the Church of Jesus Christ. And there are some within the Church of Jesus Christ that claim to be His messengers, but are really infiltrators seeking to damage the flock.

A lot of these messengers that are identified as the true messengers will have a dubious past. The sons of Mosiah along with Alma Junior certainly had sordid pasts. Joseph Smith had a checkered history of sorts. Don't get me started with Brigham Young. Everyone on this board is aware of Nelson's past memberships in college fraternities and secret societies. The fact of the matter is if you truly repent of your past actions, and then pledge yourself in service to the Almighty wherever He might call you, the Almighty will cover you and your sins discarded. You become born again with a new identity. The current prophet (who I have no qualms now in declaring that he is a prophet), has mentioned what that new identity should be:

Son of God.
Son of the Covenant.
Disciple of Jesus Christ.

I’m right there with you. I also have serious concerns about the state of the church, both the general membership and the leadership. However, I still believe in the restoration and that this is the Lord’s true church and that the leaders hold the keys of the kingdom.

Much of what President Nelson had said and done as President of the church has rubbed me the wrong way, but his talk yesterday was fabulous. Several other talks during conference were great, too. It made me realize that it’s okay to have concerns without throwing out the baby with the bath water. Rather than constantly criticizing and fault-finding we should look for the good. We should be attending our meetings looking for good uplifting things that draw us closer to Christ, instead of resisting the spirit and only looking to find faults to criticize.

Fault-finding and constantly criticizing serves no constructive purpose. It won’t help us or our loved ones draw closer to the Savior. We should notice the bad and avoid it, but looking for the bad under every stone is counterproductive and ignoring the good leads us away from Christ, not closer to him.

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:57 am

RosyPosy wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:11 am Bjǫrnúlfr. The same thing could be said to Moroni while he was witnessing the Lamanites and Nephites destroy each other. He could have simply wandered off into the mountains. But God wanted him to record what he was witnessing. To relay the message "Awake to a sense of our awful situation". This is exactly what we are witnessing. Secret Combinations at work.

It would be doing mankind a huge disservice to remain silent.

What goes on here is almost completely self serving.

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:40 am Fault-finding and constantly criticizing serves no constructive purpose. It won’t help us or our loved ones draw closer to the Savior. We should notice the bad and avoid it, but looking for the bad under every stone is counterproductive and ignoring the good leads us away from Christ, not closer to him.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:12 pm

Bjǫrnúlfr wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 11:40 am Fault-finding and constantly criticizing serves no constructive purpose. It won’t help us or our loved ones draw closer to the Savior. We should notice the bad and avoid it, but looking for the bad under every stone is counterproductive and ignoring the good leads us away from Christ, not closer to him.

It's all in your perspective. It's hard for anyone to have their faith shattered when it is founded upon the works of men. What most do here on the forum is not fault-finding and criticizing, but critical thinking. The church discourages any form of rational discourse when what these men say contradicts scripture... and common sense.