Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk

[Blue Marble]

RMN is a prophet in my home. If he is evil in your home then that says more about your home then it does about RMN.

What about Deuteronomy 18:20-22? Rusty was wrong about the vaccines being safe and effective. The First Presidency sent that letter on Church letterhead with the name of the Lord at the top of the page and they did so in their office as prophets, seers, and revelators. They were clearly speaking in the name of the Lord.

In my home 4 of 5 of us got the vaccine. None of us got injured. RMN is 100% correct about a safe and effective vaccine for my home.

Oof.

[Atrasado]

RMN is a prophet in my home. If he is evil in your home then that says more about your home then it does about RMN.

What about Deuteronomy 18:20-22? Rusty was wrong about the vaccines being safe and effective. The First Presidency sent that letter on Church letterhead with the name of the Lord at the top of the page and they did so in their office as prophets, seers, and revelators. They were clearly speaking in the name of the Lord.

In my home 4 of 5 of us got the vaccine. None of us got injured. RMN is 100% correct about a safe and effective vaccine for my home.

And the rest of the world? What of them? Millions have been killed by the COVID-19 vaccines and millions more will be. I find this blasé approach to serious things to be troubling.

[FrankOne]

You are mad at people. You are mad at the church. One thing that helped me was to move ward boundaries, fresh new faces, screw all the fake members in my old ward. Focus on God, this is still his church.

I am very upset at a man who is so divisive. My family reads this trash and they further distance themselves from us. His quote is the very definition of a Religious Bigot. I think the church is spiritually and physically abusing my friends and family. Why wouldn’t I be angry and/or upset?

God does not condone bigotry.

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”

For him to quote this is a clear demonstration that he is the leader of a cult. He is intentionally telling members to ostracize family members because they don't support HIM , which means, the global govt doctrine and rainbow theology. ....and do it under the banner of righteous judgement.

What's the first thing that a cult leader tells new recruits? "You are special and don't listen to anyone but ME. Your parents and your friends are your enemy. "

[Blue Marble]

I am very upset at a man who is so divisive. My family reads this trash and they further distance themselves from us. His quote is the very definition of a Religious Bigot. I think the church is spiritually and physically abusing my friends and family. Why wouldn’t I be angry and/or upset?

God does not condone bigotry.

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”

For him to quote this is a clear demonstration that he is the leader of a cult. He is intentionally telling members to ostracize family members because they don't support HIM , which means, the global govt doctrine and rainbow theology. ....and do it under the banner of righteous judgement.

What's the first thing that a cult leader tells new recruits? "You are special and don't listen to anyone but ME. Your parents and your friends are your enemy. "

Oh no… you fell for it.

[Chip]

I just watched RMN's talk. He dared to incorporate a little more truth than others did, by actually talking about the perils of unchasteness, but then he got around to looping the church into it all, by declaring its role to be vital and how you must pay your tithes and listen only to them. His talk had some nice elements in it, but it was another routine and formulaic effort to vitally associate the church with God's blessings, scaring-with-caring everyone back into the middle of the boat, where they can be managed with renewed control.

God is doing a lot of good things in the world and our church has nothing approaching a monopoly on any of it. What our church excels at is mind control. They endeavor to achieve this and they are maybe the most successful at it, but this is coercive and extortive, not of God, but of calculating men running a religious empire. I believe God is going to break the spell they have on people and free them for an actual relationship with Him, not a filtered, throttled version that the church's leaders have set themselves up to be the gatekeepers of. I believe the church leaders are operating under some delusion, themselves, as they deceive the members. It's a big, gooey mess.

[FrankOne]

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”

For him to quote this is a clear demonstration that he is the leader of a cult. He is intentionally telling members to ostracize family members because they don't support HIM , which means, the global govt doctrine and rainbow theology. ....and do it under the banner of righteous judgement.

What's the first thing that a cult leader tells new recruits? "You are special and don't listen to anyone but ME. Your parents and your friends are your enemy. "

Oh no… you fell for it.

Since you've determined that I am a dolt, then perhaps you could elucidate the matter.

[Blue Marble]

For him to quote this is a clear demonstration that he is the leader of a cult. He is intentionally telling members to ostracize family members because they don't support HIM , which means, the global govt doctrine and rainbow theology. ....and do it under the banner of righteous judgement.

What's the first thing that a cult leader tells new recruits? "You are special and don't listen to anyone but ME. Your parents and your friends are your enemy. "

Oh no… you fell for it.

Since you've determined that I am a dolt, then perhaps you could elucidate the matter.

RMN didn’t say those words, Jesus did.

[FrankOne]

RMN is using Christ's words to cause church members to divide themselves from those that are not TBM's.

He is creating a fortified cult against anyone that does not align with his counsel which has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever, although he will use the words of Christ to paint his cult as Christian.

The two camps forming:

1- The self righteous honoring the leadership of RMN without question.

2- Those that are discovering that his leadership is of the world, for the world, and worships the world.

The interesting thing is that neither side can convince the other of their point of view. It's an astonishing phenomena. Both sides are aligned to what is in their core. The self righteous have a physical leader which is very easy to follow. The other side only follows the Holy Spirit which is a very difficult path.

Christ IS dividing these two groups and RMN is doing is best to rally as many as he can to bolster his position by instructing them to cut off family before the family can influence the TBM's into seeing the clear path to Christ.

The difficult path is the way of Christ. To seek ONLY him with no intercessor.

[FrankOne]

Oh no… you fell for it.

Since you've determined that I am a dolt, then perhaps you could elucidate the matter.

RMN didn’t say those words, Jesus did.

You were not paying attention.

I said that RMN quoted. Please find fault somewhere else.

edit to add:

and my post above detailed what I am trying to convey.

[Blue Marble]

Since you've determined that I am a dolt, then perhaps you could elucidate the matter.

RMN didn’t say those words, Jesus did.

You were not paying attention.

I said that RMN quoted. Please find fault somewhere else.

RMN didn’t quote those verses.

[Chip]

Oh no… you fell for it.

Since you've determined that I am a dolt, then perhaps you could elucidate the matter.

RMN didn’t say those words, Jesus did.

The devil can quote scripture all day long to his advantage.

[Chip]

RMN is using Christ's words to cause church members to divide themselves from those that are not TBM's.

He is creating a fortified cult against anyone that does not align with his counsel which has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever, although he will use the words of Christ to paint his cult as Christian.

The two camps forming:

1- The self righteous honoring the leadership of RMN without question.

2- Those that are discovering that his leadership is of the world, for the world, and worships the world.

The interesting thing is that neither side can convince the other of their point of view. It's an astonishing phenomena. Both sides are aligned to what is in their core. The self righteous have a physical leader which is very easy to follow. The other side only follows the Holy Spirit which is a very difficult path.

Christ IS dividing these two groups and RMN is doing is best to rally as many as he can to bolster his position by instructing them to cut off family before the family can influence the TBM's into seeing the clear path to Christ.

The difficult path is the way of Christ. To seek ONLY him with no intercessor.

Thank God for the fresh air in this post above. I wish I could articulate things so well. I just get knotted up in frustration over these layered deceptions of the adversary, worrying for the people that are falling for them, who suppose I'm the one deceived.

People ARE dividing by what is in their core. It's horrible to see how many don't care about truth. It's so painful to be in this church nowadays.

[FrankOne]

RMN didn’t say those words, Jesus did.

You were not paying attention.

I said that RMN quoted. Please find fault somewhere else.

RMN didn’t quote those verses.

Watchman post:

Somebody online posted this quote from one of Nelson’s talk. While I’d like to say I’m not surprised, I honestly think this man is hellbent on dividing families and hurting relationships:

“The apostle Paul prophesied that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There is no end to the adversary’s deceptions. Please be prepared. Never take counsel from those who do not believe.”

Did this son of a gun actually say this?

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Your acknowledgement that it was a quote from RMN.

Of course he said that, it’s what he believes. Very silly for you to get so tied up in knots over this.

Then you followed up with:

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
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I did not listen to the conference talk.

My posts have all been the result of reading your posts as quotes of RMN. Now, you are saying that RMN did not say these things? Are you posting just to raise ire? Please clarify.

[FrankOne]

RMN is using Christ's words to cause church members to divide themselves from those that are not TBM's.

He is creating a fortified cult against anyone that does not align with his counsel which has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever, although he will use the words of Christ to paint his cult as Christian.

The two camps forming:

1- The self righteous honoring the leadership of RMN without question.

2- Those that are discovering that his leadership is of the world, for the world, and worships the world.

The interesting thing is that neither side can convince the other of their point of view. It's an astonishing phenomena. Both sides are aligned to what is in their core. The self righteous have a physical leader which is very easy to follow. The other side only follows the Holy Spirit which is a very difficult path.

Christ IS dividing these two groups and RMN is doing is best to rally as many as he can to bolster his position by instructing them to cut off family before the family can influence the TBM's into seeing the clear path to Christ.

The difficult path is the way of Christ. To seek ONLY him with no intercessor.

Thank God for the fresh air in this post above. I wish I could articulate things so well. I just get knotted up in frustration over these layered deceptions of the adversary, worrying for the people that are falling for them, who suppose I'm the one deceived.

People ARE dividing by what is in their core. It's horrible to see how many don't care about truth. It's so painful to be in this church nowadays.

yah, it's painful to watch this happen. My wife comes from a large family which are all grown with spouses, children. She recently went to visit them at a large family gathering and just sat as an observer as all of them extolled the virtues of RMN and the church . She said they were robotic....... entranced. She just listened and was greatly saddened to see that there was no depth left in their words. Something is changing. The distance of separation is growing quickly.

[Chip]

RMN is using Christ's words to cause church members to divide themselves from those that are not TBM's.

He is creating a fortified cult against anyone that does not align with his counsel which has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever, although he will use the words of Christ to paint his cult as Christian.

The two camps forming:

1- The self righteous honoring the leadership of RMN without question.

2- Those that are discovering that his leadership is of the world, for the world, and worships the world.

The interesting thing is that neither side can convince the other of their point of view. It's an astonishing phenomena. Both sides are aligned to what is in their core. The self righteous have a physical leader which is very easy to follow. The other side only follows the Holy Spirit which is a very difficult path.

Christ IS dividing these two groups and RMN is doing is best to rally as many as he can to bolster his position by instructing them to cut off family before the family can influence the TBM's into seeing the clear path to Christ.

The difficult path is the way of Christ. To seek ONLY him with no intercessor.

Thank God for the fresh air in this post above. I wish I could articulate things so well. I just get knotted up in frustration over these layered deceptions of the adversary, worrying for the people that are falling for them, who suppose I'm the one deceived.

People ARE dividing by what is in their core. It's horrible to see how many don't care about truth. It's so painful to be in this church nowadays.

yah, it's painful to watch this happen. My wife comes from a large family which are all grown with spouses, children. She recently went to visit them at a large family gathering and just sat as an observer as all of them extolled the virtues of RMN and the church . She said they were robotic....... entranced. She just listened and was greatly saddened to see that there was no depth left in their words. Something is changing. The distance of separation is growing quickly.

It sure is. As Isaiah 28 said would be the case, the bed is too short to stretch out on and the blanket is too narrow to wrap yourself in.

Do you know if your wife's relatives were all vaxxed? I am really thinking those injections caused a sea change within the church.

[FrankOne]

Thank God for the fresh air in this post above. I wish I could articulate things so well. I just get knotted up in frustration over these layered deceptions of the adversary, worrying for the people that are falling for them, who suppose I'm the one deceived.

People ARE dividing by what is in their core. It's horrible to see how many don't care about truth. It's so painful to be in this church nowadays.

yah, it's painful to watch this happen. My wife comes from a large family which are all grown with spouses, children. She recently went to visit them at a large family gathering and just sat as an observer as all of them extolled the virtues of RMN and the church . She said they were robotic....... entranced. She just listened and was greatly saddened to see that there was no depth left in their words. Something is changing. The distance of separation is growing quickly.

It sure is. As Isaiah 28 said would be the case, the bed is too short to stretch out on and the blanket is too narrow to wrap yourself in.

Do you know if your wife's relatives were all vaxxed? I am really thinking those injections caused a sea change within the church.

We aren't sure how many were vaxxed but we suspect that all of them are. Something is amiss.

[Blue Marble]

You were not paying attention.

I said that RMN quoted. Please find fault somewhere else.

RMN didn’t quote those verses.

Watchman post:

Somebody online posted this quote from one of Nelson’s talk. While I’d like to say I’m not surprised, I honestly think this man is hellbent on dividing families and hurting relationships:

“The apostle Paul prophesied that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There is no end to the adversary’s deceptions. Please be prepared. Never take counsel from those who do not believe.”

Did this son of a gun actually say this?

========================================================

Your acknowledgement that it was a quote from RMN.

Of course he said that, it’s what he believes. Very silly for you to get so tied up in knots over this.

Then you followed up with:

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
===========================================
I did not listen to the conference talk.

My posts have all been the result of reading your posts as quotes of RMN. Now, you are saying that RMN did not say these things? Are you posting just to raise ire? Please clarify.

My “follow up” was a joke, pointing out to RW that his objection is more anti-Christian than anti-RMN. You didn’t realize that because you’re clueless. Perhaps you should listen to the talk before opining on its contents.

[FrankOne]

RMN didn’t quote those verses.

Watchman post:

Somebody online posted this quote from one of Nelson’s talk. While I’d like to say I’m not surprised, I honestly think this man is hellbent on dividing families and hurting relationships:

“The apostle Paul prophesied that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There is no end to the adversary’s deceptions. Please be prepared. Never take counsel from those who do not believe.”

Did this son of a gun actually say this?

========================================================

Your acknowledgement that it was a quote from RMN.

Of course he said that, it’s what he believes. Very silly for you to get so tied up in knots over this.

Then you followed up with:

Did you see the rest of the quote? What a bigot!

“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”
===========================================
I did not listen to the conference talk.

My posts have all been the result of reading your posts as quotes of RMN. Now, you are saying that RMN did not say these things? Are you posting just to raise ire? Please clarify.

My “follow up” was a joke, pointing out to RW that his objection is more anti-Christian than anti-RMN. You didn’t realize that because you’re clueless. Perhaps you should listen to the talk before opining on its contents.

thank you for letting me know.

edit for retraction

[cab]

That's the thing. They do say good things. Just enough good things to keep people sedated. But, when you dig deeper on some of the things they say they are full of lies and hypocrisy.

I find it sad that people are trying so hard to find something to criticize instead of taking a really good message and applying it in their lives to help them draw closer to Christ. Fault finding never got anyone anywhere.

What if we truly believe that false doctrine was taught? What if we are actually right? Did Jeremiah go nowhere in chapter 23? What about Matthew 23? What about any of those who have contradicted false teachings within a church/synagogue?

[Chip]

Listen here for 2 minutes. Katie NAILS what we are talking about in this thread. GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbASLlRX16M&t=3504

[cab]

Listen here for 2 minutes. Katie NAILS what we are talking about in this thread. GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbASLlRX16M&t=3504

I've listened to this prophetess for two different two hour sessions today.

I could only handle about 15 minutes of the dead religion taught in conference.

[Chip]

Listen here for 2 minutes. Katie NAILS what we are talking about in this thread. GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbASLlRX16M&t=3504

I've listened to this prophetess for two different two hour sessions today.

I could only handle about 15 minutes of the dead religion taught in conference.

Ha, me, too! After one and a half conference talks, I told my wife we should not suffer the abuse these turkeys are hell-bent on serving up. That was enough for me, maybe for good.

Katie is sharing God's mind and lays out matters of agency so nicely between her, Jesus, and Father, and even between Jesus and Father, while our church leaders keep poundng the listen-only-to-us / trusted-sources drum: Boom, boom, boom. Those guys are such Pharisaical numb-nuts. A bunch of tin-pot religious dictators, adorned in pricey Babylonian business garb, blathering over their vaunted rameumpton. When people realize the truth, that charade will come to its ignominious end, forever.

[cab]

Listen here for 2 minutes. Katie NAILS what we are talking about in this thread. GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbASLlRX16M&t=3504

I've listened to this prophetess for two different two hour sessions today.

I could only handle about 15 minutes of the dead religion taught in conference.

Ha, me, too! After one and a half conference talks, I told my wife we should not suffer the abuse these turkeys are hell-bent on serving up. That was enough for me, maybe for good.

Katie is sharing God's mind and lays out matters of agency so nicely between her, Jesus, and Father, and even between Jesus and Father, while our church leaders keep poundng the listen-only-to-us / trusted-sources drum: Boom, boom, boom. Those guys are such Pharisaical numb-nuts. A bunch of tin-pot religious dictators, adorned in pricey Babylonian business garb, blathering over their vaunted rameumpton. When people realize the truth, that charade will come to its ignominious end, forever.

Yeah. She has words of life and freedom within her. It's a beautiful thing to watch, now understanding that we have been starved for the true word of the Lord delivered by true messengers.
I consider myself a witness to what people like Katie are experiencing and sharing. It's incredible to hear her express so fluently the ineffable love of God and how the downloads of his word come.
It all makes the stale words spoken at our pulpits that much more difficult to endure.

[Chip]

I've listened to this prophetess for two different two hour sessions today.

I could only handle about 15 minutes of the dead religion taught in conference.

Ha, me, too! After one and a half conference talks, I told my wife we should not suffer the abuse these turkeys are hell-bent on serving up. That was enough for me, maybe for good.

Katie is sharing God's mind and lays out matters of agency so nicely between her, Jesus, and Father, and even between Jesus and Father, while our church leaders keep poundng the listen-only-to-us / trusted-sources drum: Boom, boom, boom. Those guys are such Pharisaical numb-nuts. A bunch of tin-pot religious dictators, adorned in pricey Babylonian business garb, blathering over their vaunted rameumpton. When people realize the truth, that charade will come to its ignominious end, forever.

Yeah. She has words of life and freedom within her. It's a beautiful thing to watch, now understanding that we have been starved for the true word of the Lord delivered by true messengers.
I consider myself a witness to what people like Katie are experiencing and sharing. It's incredible to hear her express so fluently the ineffable love of God and how the downloads of his word come.
It all makes the stale words spoken at our pulpits that much more difficult to endure.

She is preparing all people who love God for a fully interactive relationship with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and Father. It's FREE and it's FUN! And you're going to stomp on the enemy's head! Who wants in? I hope people on this forum who desire such a wonderful thing take up the opportunity that Jesus is extending through his friend Katie. Her talks are getting more amazing and marvelous by the day. God is awesome and He wants us to let Him love us and give us awesome things to do. Say YES to God!

[cab]

Ha, me, too! After one and a half conference talks, I told my wife we should not suffer the abuse these turkeys are hell-bent on serving up. That was enough for me, maybe for good.

Katie is sharing God's mind and lays out matters of agency so nicely between her, Jesus, and Father, and even between Jesus and Father, while our church leaders keep poundng the listen-only-to-us / trusted-sources drum: Boom, boom, boom. Those guys are such Pharisaical numb-nuts. A bunch of tin-pot religious dictators, adorned in pricey Babylonian business garb, blathering over their vaunted rameumpton. When people realize the truth, that charade will come to its ignominious end, forever.

Yeah. She has words of life and freedom within her. It's a beautiful thing to watch, now understanding that we have been starved for the true word of the Lord delivered by true messengers.
I consider myself a witness to what people like Katie are experiencing and sharing. It's incredible to hear her express so fluently the ineffable love of God and how the downloads of his word come.
It all makes the stale words spoken at our pulpits that much more difficult to endure.

She is preparing all people who love God for a fully interactive relationship with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and Father. It's FREE and it's FUN! And your going to stomp on the enemy's head! Who wants in? I hope people on this forum who desire such a wonderful thing take up the opportunity that Jesus is extending through his friend Katie. Her talks are getting more amazing and marvelous, day to day.

Boy, let's just pray that we'll be lucky enough to witness a real life revival of a kingdom of priests who are blowing people's minds with God's words the way that this wonderful sister is. And, yes dude, the freedom is FUN... Like she says, our journey with the King of Kings is the most fantastic, page turning story that's ever been told...