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Mindfields wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 3:07 pm Just finished listening to his talk. I was honestly creeped out.

Lol, I just can't even bring myself to listen to the while thing.

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 4:33 pm

ransomme wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 3:14 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 2:36 pm
My apologies if you truly don't see it. My wife and I and her TBM mother each noticed it right away. Others have said they noticed it too.

I suppose it could be like those paintings that people look at with an image embedded within another and some just can't see the other image.

I heard from a friend who works for the Church that it was pre-recorded a few days earlier in the Conference center when it was empty.

It could just be Nelson's cartoonish appearance.

Are you suggesting no CGI?

And that it was recorded at his home?

No not in his home, at the conference center

And that he looks like Mr Burns

LateOutOfBed wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 8:28 pm

Mindfields wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 3:07 pm Just finished listening to his talk. I was honestly creeped out.

Lol, I just can't even bring myself to listen to the while thing.

Bro, you can do it!

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randyps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 12:08 am So by you saying "there is no pandemic" does not magically erase the FACT that there was a Pandemic with many…

Billions dead.

Muh dead bodies, where?
Oh: none.
Methinks that you scare
easy, son.

Being There wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 9:18 am
But "COVID" was very real.
Now whether or not it was actually the corona virus is another thing.
I believe it was maybe a variant of the flu, that seemed to be not so bad.

they started COVID so they could get everyone to take their fake vax.
But COVID was a little bit more than most of us thought it was.
I believe it was also meant to hurt and weaken people.
I myself haven't felt the same since I got COVID a few years ago.
I feel much more weak and tired now than before.
I've heard many people say the same thing.

So while the whole thing is a scam, I can assure you COVID and the killshot
are very real and part of the depop plan of the NWO.

Recently In many places and here in Mexico, a variant has sprung up
and many people (not myself) but many are starting to where their mask again;
which is absolutely ridiculous, because it doesn't help at all anyway.
But these gads won't stop putting out their Plandemics until they get what they want. -
depop and total control of everyone - and I mean the whole World. -
forced Vax - lockdowns - etc.

Lots of truth here...but mingled with lies.

covid is not real. the symptoms are, but it is detox going on here. Now with the poisoning of everything from food to air to water, to even clothing, as well as electromagnetic frequencies interfering with the body's electrical system, not to even mention fear, which is a very real cause of illness. we ARE getting sick. but 'tain't a virus.

How do you know it's covid? you don't it's just what you've been told. Oh the test? Ummm... it's not a test.

https://drsambailey.com/wp-content/uplo ... nglish.pdf

randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:18 pm I personally know 5 that died of the corona virus. All 5 were over weight and over the age of 44. …
The vax hurt no one that I know of! ever! thats 100% safe in my world. What about you in your conspiracy world?

Here are some facts for review.
A high percentage of the mRNA injections were Saline. One study outside of the United States showed 33 percent of their batches were Saline. There was also a medical outlet who actually checked their contents and discovered that all of their batches were Saline, and sent them back to the manufacturer, believing that it was a mistake. There was also a test done inside the U.S. which found that even the Moderna and Pfizer injections which did contain mRNA, varied significantly in concentration. They did not find variance with AstraZeneca. Utah was one of the states with the lowest percentages of damaging batches. (In my opinion, the reason is to make the State and LDS members believe that all is well in zion.)

Nobody has proved that anyone died of SARSCOV-2. The only autopsy reports that I have seen for these deaths proved that almost all of them were not caused by the virus, and the small remainder of them showed undetermined causes. We can’t believe any of these COVID19 diagnosis or death reports because they are given financial incentives to do it. They even count gun shot and car wreck deaths as Covid deaths. There are many instances where people who die from the mRNA injections due to heart failure, blood clots, and other reasons, are counted as viral deaths, even though the same doctors marking them as Covid deaths said the injections make people immune to death from the virus.

Doctors who report deaths and damage from mRNA are censored. You have to go to alternate sites such as Gab, Rumble, Infowars and others who do not receive money from pharmaceutical companies or the Federal Government on order to get the full truth.

The victims of mRNA damage are censored. I have watched and listened to more than 50 personal testimonies from the victims or their families, and I know there are thousands of them, and potentially millions, based on just the VAERS reporting statistics. You should watch their videos, of their amputated limbs, parents crying over their children who died, and friends of people who committed suicide because no news organization would give them a voice after their health was destroyed. I have listened to people give testimonies in church about family members strangely dying of unexplained heart problems, after the injections were deployed. Personally, I know one woman who got the first blood clot in her life, a bishop who got Alopecia from the Moderna shot, and the only two of my family members who I know received all of the shots, were the two who died. One of them had Covid symptoms mentioned on the death certificate, even though she was triple injected. There are people who were part of the trials who were damaged, and were removed from the trials so that they would not be counted. There was one such woman in Utah County who was part of the trial, and became physically disabled from the shot, and were removed from the trial program. Her family are medical professionals so here husband tried his best to get attention from the State Government and got some local attention, but were still censored. When I travel through more conservative areas, such as Texas, outside of the major cities, it is easier to hear about injection damage on local news. Last year when I was driving North of Houston city, I only had the radio on for a few minutes and heard a report about a local resident acquiring Gillian Barr syndrome from his injection.

That is just a sample of facts for review.

We can’t expect these injured church members to remain active when their prophet won’t promote the Word of Wisdom for protection against the destroying angel, but instead says that the injections which injured them are a Godsend. I also can’t expect these non-members who were injured to believe my words about the restored church, when I also tell them that our Prophet said their injury or death of a family member was a Godsend.

Telavian wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:54 am

Chip wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:45 am Some people can't take her seriously, but I suspect her approach is a deflector God is using to keep people OUT who are really not inclined to hear simple truth. Meanwhile, God's kids (are you a kid, childlike?) find it completely conducive and inviting.

Does she honestly teach anything at all?
Her message seems to be that God loves you and there is an amazing plan ahead for you.

Don't listen to her "videos" on YouTube. Listen to her "lives"... You have to find the "live" area on her channel.
She teaches tons about different realms, authority, character and nature of God, how living in the spirit works, etc. She even teaches fundamental Mormon concepts like eternal marriage, Mother in Heaven, and how Jesus actually came to America after his resurrection.

ransomme wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 9:52 pm

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 4:33 pm

ransomme wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 3:14 pm

I heard from a friend who works for the Church that it was pre-recorded a few days earlier in the Conference center when it was empty.

It could just be Nelson's cartoonish appearance.

Are you suggesting no CGI?

And that it was recorded at his home?

No not in his home, at the conference center

And that he looks like Mr Burns

Thank you for the correction. I meant to say “wasn’t recorded in his home”.

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:36 pm Thank you for the correction. I meant to say “wasn’t recorded in his home”.

I could not see obvious evidence of manipulated video, which I am glad about because I don’t like those deceptions. It was strange to me why he could go to the Conference Center and give his talk, but not during the conference. But it is possible that he couldn’t wear proper pants with his injury. It was also odd how he was able to move his upper body so well during the talk, but we don’t know the extent of the injury. So maybe the way they recorded it was the best option.

logicalheart wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:51 pm

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:36 pm Thank you for the correction. I meant to say “wasn’t recorded in his home”.

I could not see obvious evidence of manipulated video, which I am glad about because I don’t like those deceptions. It was strange to me why he could go to the Conference Center and give his talk, but not during the conference. But it is possible that he couldn’t wear proper pants with his injury. It was also odd how he was able to move his upper body so well during the talk, but we don’t know the extent of the injury. So maybe the way they recorded it was the best option.

He said he has a hard time sitting for long periods of time due to the muscle injury. I figure he could sit in the Conference Center for 20 minutes to record his talk, but would have a difficult time sitting for one or five 120 minutes sessions.

Atrasado wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 4:48 pm That evening many years ago when President Kimball miraculously regained lucidity enough to tell Gordon Hinckley to call "Nelson and Oaks, in that order" is getting very, very suspicious. I suspect that Hinckley committed fraud when that happened.

I have wondered about that, but my guess is that neither Hinkley nor Kimball would falsify it. I think it is more likely that in Kimball’s weak condition, someone could make him believe that he received inspired direction on who to call. But this is just fictional speculation to try and make sense about an odd event.

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:56 pm

logicalheart wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:51 pm

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:36 pm Thank you for the correction. I meant to say “wasn’t recorded in his home”.

I could not see obvious evidence of manipulated video, which I am glad about because I don’t like those deceptions. It was strange to me why he could go to the Conference Center and give his talk, but not during the conference.

He said he has a hard time sitting for long periods of time due to the muscle injury. I figure he could sit in the Conference Center for 20 minutes to record his talk, but would have a difficult time sitting for one or five 120 minutes sessions.

You may have mis-read what I wrote. It wasn’t about attending an entire session, but rather that it would be the same amount of time spent in attendance for his talk before the conference versus during the conference, so the scheduling before conference must be for some personal reason that we are not aware of.

logicalheart wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 1:05 am

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:56 pm

logicalheart wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:51 pm

I could not see obvious evidence of manipulated video, which I am glad about because I don’t like those deceptions. It was strange to me why he could go to the Conference Center and give his talk, but not during the conference.

He said he has a hard time sitting for long periods of time due to the muscle injury. I figure he could sit in the Conference Center for 20 minutes to record his talk, but would have a difficult time sitting for one or five 120 minutes sessions.

You may have mis-read what I wrote. It wasn’t about attending an entire session, but rather that it would be the same amount of time spent in attendance for his talk before the conference versus during the conference, so the scheduling before conference must be for some personal reason that we are not aware of.

Perhaps he didn’t want to disrupt the conference by entering, giving his talk, then exiting.

cab wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:26 pm

Telavian wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:54 am

Chip wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 11:45 am Some people can't take her seriously, but I suspect her approach is a deflector God is using to keep people OUT who are really not inclined to hear simple truth. Meanwhile, God's kids (are you a kid, childlike?) find it completely conducive and inviting.

Does she honestly teach anything at all?
Her message seems to be that God loves you and there is an amazing plan ahead for you.

Don't listen to her "videos" on YouTube. Listen to her "lives"... You have to find the "live" area on her channel.
She teaches tons about different realms, authority, character and nature of God, how living in the spirit works, etc. She even teaches fundamental Mormon concepts like eternal marriage, Mother in Heaven, and how Jesus actually came to America after his resurrection.

I watched a couple of her live session and was mesmerized by some of the subtle things she mentioned. I love listening to her. I truly think she's friends with Jesus! Gives me something to aspire to have. I'd love to have that kind of relationship with God and I think he does want us to have that kind of relationship.

Telavian wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 10:26 am

larsenb wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 9:47 pm And she comes across as extremely joyful in her presentation.

She seems to be to be very excited and mostly superficial.
I understand what she is saying and I understand her excitement. However her style is certainly not for me.

I don't see the 'superficial', at all. She certainly seems 'all in' and devoted to what she is doing/saying. And if she is mentally ill, she sure seems to be enjoying it.

Anyone know when the new TC (Think Celestial) ring comes out. Need some for gifts for Christmas, should compliment the CTR ring nicely.

Korsgaard46 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 8:55 am Anyone know when the new TC (Think Celestial) ring comes out. Need some for gifts for Christmas, should compliment the CTR ring nicely.

You are supposed to eliminate the old mottos such as Choose the Right, What Would Jesus Do, etc., and replace them with Think Celestial. That way we can focus on good thoughts instead of good deeds.

logicalheart wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Korsgaard46 wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 8:55 am Anyone know when the new TC (Think Celestial) ring comes out. Need some for gifts for Christmas, should compliment the CTR ring nicely.

You are supposed to eliminate the old mottos such as Choose the Right, What Would Jesus Do, etc., and replace them with Think Celestial. That way we can focus on good thoughts instead of good deeds.

And don't forget: Mormon > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:05 pm

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:43 am It clearly was not CGI.

Do you really think they rebuilt the conference center at his house where the talk was recorded.

Maybe they prerecorded it at the conference center?
Or maybe it's like those zoom backgrounds and they created a conference center pulpit zoom background/foreground? I can see him being conceited enough to have them create such a background/foreground for him.

Edit: I was wrong.

LateOutOfBed wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:26 pm You can see around the edges of his face where it meets the suit, there's slightly "off" on the lines.

That sounds like a fake background/foreground to me. Perhaps he was in his jammies, but wanted people to think he was dressed up, and obviously liked the image of himself being in the conference center.


Edit: I looked closely at the video, and those are shadows. They're weird, to be sure, but they are shadows. The lighting was not as good as it should have been.

I looked at the video a little bit (the one shared that made people think he was cgi). The shadow falls directly on his collar, which is weird because I've never seen lighting like that at the conference center. The thing that looks most like they put his face/head in an artificial setting is his chin. He has sort of a jowly chin (you know how jowls wiggle when people talk because jowls are flabby? His chin/neck was that way), and you could see that it hung over his collar in an unnatural way. It looked exactly like what I've seen backgrounds do in zoom calls and other online conferences/meetings/etc. I've attended.

So, bottom line of what I see is that the face is really Nelson, but the rest is some kind of background and foreground that doesn't reflect where he really was when he made the talk.

I think I was wrong about this.

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:07 pm I provided the link and l I’ll provide it here again. People can see for themselves.

Okay, to give it a fair shake, I forwarded it a few times. I think I was wrong. I think he might just have a flabby neck. It looks like it was recorded in the conference center.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:04 pm I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but did you notice the audience applause at the end? . . . It sounded so fake.

cyclOps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:26 pm

I heard the live audience at the conference center saying “Amen” at the end of Russell M Nelson’s talk.

Is that what you’re referencing?

It wasn’t on the recording of his talk, rather the live broadcast from the conference center.

I imagine that hundreds of people saying Amen would certainly not sound like real applause.

Christianlee wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2023, 3:29 am It could even cutoff individual donations to churches that run afoul of politically correct thinking.

Rather like what Trudy did to the truckers in Canada.

Blue Marble wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:38 pm

Socratic wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:36 pm I'd rather be in the Telestial Kingdom with my family than the Celestial Kingdom with these mask-wearing, fake-as-hell, holier-than-thou Mormons.

If the Celestial is a neverending second hour class, then no thank you.

#ThinkTelestial

Good news! If you prefer Telestial, you’ll inherit Telestial.

Although this is accurate, the problem is self honesty. People have dual minds and can believe two differing things simultaneously. This may sound impossible, but it's called justification. For example they can stand up in testimony meeting and proclaim that they are devout members and fully believe it, and then go to work and take advantage of a loop hole and screw someone over. Justification? "It's their fault that they didn't see the loophole".

I see it as more "where we fit".

A guy that fits the description above will go to a place where everyone is trying to screw each other over. Fun times, right? Just imagine a world where every single person is like you. What kind of world would it be? Well....that's where we go. Worlds of murdering maniacs. Worlds of pedophiles. etc etc etc and then worlds full of sarcastic, self righteous, back biting, calculating type folks, pretending that they are in heaven. LOL.