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Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:09 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:53 pm
Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:27 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:18 pm
I never got vaxd because the prophet encouraged us. Me and my whole family was inactive in 2020 so we had no idea what church was saying.
We got vaxd because the schools made my kids and my work made me. My stay at home ex-wife was the only one that didnt get vaxd.
The vax hurt no one that I know of! ever! thats 100% safe in my world. What about you in your conspiracy world?
I know many that are currently on diabetes and high blood pressure meds because of bad diet and un healthy lifestyle, thats a 1,000 times bigger problem then some vax. Maybe you need to change your outlook on life and be happy instead of miserable, fearful and a doomsdayer.
I have a helicopter pilot friend in the military that has testified before congress of his vax injuries. He has been unable to fly since December 2021. One of the fittest and most bad a$$ athletes I’ve met and now he cannot carry a box 200 yards due to his heart rate going over 170 beats/min.
Your uncaring and dismissive attitude toward people who have died as a result of this is so unChristian but what do I know.
Your unwillingness to learn of the many dangers behind this mRNA technology or believe scientists sounding the alarm hopefully not come back to haunt you.
Your ONE friend? is that all you personally know of? i know of zero injured so there is no dismissive attitude I have because I know of no one injured/dead personally.
My conversation was with Altrasaso who claims millions are injured and dead and millions more to come. I laugh at his "Millions" because it is not true, he is a conspiracy theorists who only listens to fake news and exagerated reports from anti-government journalists.
There were so many stories popping up that I stopped adding them to this page. It was overwhelming:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/vaccine-reactions
BTW, the VAERS stats are grossly misrepresented.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:15 pm
by Teancum1
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:57 pm
Fred wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:47 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 4:18 pm
I find your assumptions and guesstimating quite amusing. Where is your proof of the millions? Twitter? LOL!
I showed you my first hand account proof of the vaccine 100% safe in my home for 4 of us.
I got more proof....60+ of my cousins,aunts,uncles,nieces and nephews that all got vaxd and none had any complications. Thats still a 100% track record for the vax to my personal knowledge.
The only vax injuries I hear of are on social media. I understand that the mrna vax was rushed to the masses without enough time for testing but the fact is that every vax in history does have side effects and many will be injured but if not for the protection of vaccines then billions would die of viruses.
I personally know 5 that died of the corona virus. All 5 were over weight and over the age of 44. You should focus your time on helping the millions of overweight people be healthier, not crying about a 100% safe and effective vaccine that saves lives just like the Prophet RMN has prophesied.
You don't even have proof that you got anything besides a placebo. Placebos can be safe and effective at being fake.
same can be said of the millions that Altrasado claimed died of the vax, no proof that they got the actuall vax or water shot into their veins but their negative attitudes aka anti-placebo caused them to die.
Spend a few hours on this YouTube channel. You might learn something. Ignore it if you’d like.
https://youtube.com/@Campbellteaching?s ... eBOM86O-G6
Excess deaths worldwide since the rollout of the jabs from 10-20% in the most vaxxed nations. Turns out to be millions.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:23 pm
by bbrown
I know several people personally who were in good health then got the vax and died of heart issues (various) within two weeks. I was on the phone with one guy when it happened. Now this area told the feds to F off including a press conference where leaders and sheriffs from several local county’s literally gave double middle fingers and told them we don’t want your money, your vaccine, your help(to the fbi) F off!! You’re not welcome. This area never locked down. No mask mandates, nothing. So we got the nasty here. There are vax injury’s (many took it) and deaths all over. I don’t know that many people and the number I know who have died is unprecedented in my life. It’s very real. And there was a lot of saline out there too! Sounds like you got lucky
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:24 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:25 pm
by Teancum1
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:53 pm
Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:27 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:18 pm
I never got vaxd because the prophet encouraged us. Me and my whole family was inactive in 2020 so we had no idea what church was saying.
We got vaxd because the schools made my kids and my work made me. My stay at home ex-wife was the only one that didnt get vaxd.
The vax hurt no one that I know of! ever! thats 100% safe in my world. What about you in your conspiracy world?
I know many that are currently on diabetes and high blood pressure meds because of bad diet and un healthy lifestyle, thats a 1,000 times bigger problem then some vax. Maybe you need to change your outlook on life and be happy instead of miserable, fearful and a doomsdayer.
I have a helicopter pilot friend in the military that has testified before congress of his vax injuries. He has been unable to fly since December 2021. One of the fittest and most bad a$$ athletes I’ve met and now he cannot carry a box 200 yards due to his heart rate going over 170 beats/min.
Your uncaring and dismissive attitude toward people who have died as a result of this is so unChristian but what do I know.
Your unwillingness to learn of the many dangers behind this mRNA technology or believe scientists sounding the alarm hopefully not come back to haunt you.
Your ONE friend? is that all you personally know of? i know of zero injured so there is no dismissive attitude I have because I know of no one injured/dead personally.
My conversation was with Altrasaso who claims millions are injured and dead and millions more to come. I laugh at his "Millions" because it is not true, he is a conspiracy theorists who only listens to fake news and exagerated reports from anti-government journalists.
I work in healthcare and so does my brother. You would not believe me if I listed all the injuries we have seen. Because you are unwilling to actually investigate the science.
I have seen much much more than one- but let’s say it was only that one and this is your dismissive response to his injury. It’s wasted effort sharing what I have seen.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:35 pm
by larsenb
Mamabear wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 5:34 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 4:47 pm
How about his head being CGI'ed to his body! The sizes didn't even match!
Didn't that drive you crazy? Why CGI his head onto a suit? Did an actor wear the suit? Why not just sit up at home and wear your suit?
How many times does it take to say "think Celestial" to count as brain washing? Did a fifteen year write that talk?
Now we have another dumb catch phrase! "When you want to masturbate, think Celestial"!
For real? It looked like CGI?!!! LOL!!
How’s about “think celestial” when you’re hiding those billions in shell companies Rusty?
Ouch!
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
by Socratic
If the Celestial is a neverending second hour class, then no thank you.
#ThinkTelestial
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 6:51 pm
by FrankOne
Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 1:59 pm
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:26 am
Chip wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:17 am
It sure is. As Isaiah 28 said would be the case, the bed is too short to stretch out on and the blanket is too narrow to wrap yourself in.
Do you know if your wife's relatives were all vaxxed? I am really thinking those injections caused a sea change within the church.
We aren't sure how many were vaxxed but we suspect that all of them are. Something is amiss.
I'm not so sure that anything has changed in your extended family. When YOU change, when your perspective on faith, belief, your view of truth---when that changes your view of people you used to agree with changes too. It may be that the only difference is the person doing the viewing is viewing things from an entirely different perspective---and that new view gives the impression that others have changed. They haven't. You. have. And that change in viewpoint completely alters how you view others.
I understand your point, but I am still sure. I don't think it's the vaxes, I think it is them becoming more fixed in what they perceive is "faith" and clinging more to the church as things become more uncertain. Both sides of the church members/ex members are moving. Neither of them are stationary. They are moving apart.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:01 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:51 pm
Both sides of the church members/ex members are moving. Neither of them are stationary. They are moving apart.
I’ve mentioned this before. The day has/is coming when you either accept all of the doctrines, policies, and practices of the church, or you will be seen as less than valiant in their eyes. The gulf is widening.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:07 pm
by cyclOps
Shawn Henry wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:05 pm
cyclOps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:43 am
It clearly was not CGI.
Do you really think they rebuilt the conference center at his house where the talk was recorded.
You said they CGI’d his head to his body, even saying someone else was possibly wearing the suit his head was CGI’d too.
That is his head and his body. No CGI.
Now you’re saying the talk was recorded at his home. I have seen no evidence of that and you’ve presented no evidence of that, only assumptions.
Your claims are:
1) His head was CGI’d into something that was not his buddy to make it look like his body.
2) The talk was recorded at his home and made to look like he was in the conference center.
People who didn’t watch the conference believe you. Some asked for a screenshot or link.
I provided the link and l I’ll provide it here again. People can see for themselves.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:11 pm
by Chip
Socratic wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
I'd rather be in the Telestial Kingdom with my family than the Celestial Kingdom with these mask-wearing, fake-as-hell, holier-than-thou Mormons.
If the Celestial is a neverending second hour class, then no thank you.
#ThinkTelestial
Nothing is more telestial than consistently delivering conference talks where you lure people in with Christ's gospel so that you can then segue into man-made religion and tell them that they must hearken to your institution and its leaders, only, or they'll lose everything that God gave them.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:14 pm
by cyclOps
Shawn Henry wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:37 pm
LateOutOfBed wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:26 pm
I don't watch conference anymore... but from the clip above, I totally agree it looks CGI! You can see around the edges of his face where it meets the suit, there's slightly "off" on the lines.
Yeah, it's weird how cyclOps goes into blind defender mode, as if true things can't be pointed out unless they support the cause. I don't understand the lack of intellectually honesty there.
Blind defender mode? Intellectually dishonest?What does that mean? You think I see CGI but cannot being myself to admit it?
I watched the broadcast and I’m a blind defender?
I see with my own eyes no evidence of CGI and I’m intellectually dishonest?
You act as if it’s obvious and true that there is CGI.
I don’t see it.
Give me a break. I think you’re wrong about the CGI, but I don’t accuse you of blind opposition or intellectual dishonesty, though according to your standards you are I suppose.
It’s as if true things cannot be pointed out unless they support your cause.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:26 pm
by cyclOps
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:04 pm
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but did you notice the audience applause at the end? Was he actually speaking to an audience or did they digitally add that toward the end? It sounded so fake.
I heard the live audience at the conference center saying “Amen” at the end of Russell M Nelson’s talk.
Is that what you’re referencing?
It wasn’t on the recording of his talk, rather the live broadcast from the conference center.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:38 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
cyclOps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:26 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:04 pm
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but did you notice the audience applause at the end? Was he actually speaking to an audience or did they digitally add that toward the end? It sounded so fake.
I heard the live audience at the conference center saying “Amen” at the end of Russell M Nelson’s talk.
Is that what you’re referencing?
It wasn’t on the recording of his talk, rather the live broadcast from the conference center.
ah, that makes sense, all of the members said “amen” to a video recording.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:40 pm
by thaabit
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 4:18 pm
Atrasado wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:12 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:05 pm
In my home 4 of 5 of us got the vaccine. None of us got injured. RMN is 100% correct about a safe and effective vaccine for my home.
And the rest of the world? What of them? Millions have been killed by the COVID-19 vaccines and millions more will be. I find this blasé approach to serious things to be troubling.
I find your assumptions and guesstimating quite amusing. Where is your proof of the millions? Twitter? LOL!
I showed you my first hand account proof of the vaccine 100% safe in my home for 4 of us.
I got more proof....60+ of my cousins,aunts,uncles,nieces and nephews that all got vaxd and none had any complications. Thats still a 100% track record for the vax to my personal knowledge.
The only vax injuries I hear of are on social media. I understand that the mrna vax was rushed to the masses without enough time for testing but the fact is that every vax in history does have side effects and many will be injured but if not for the protection of vaccines then billions would die of viruses.
I personally know 5 that died of the corona virus. All 5 were over weight and over the age of 44. You should focus your time on helping the millions of overweight people be healthier, not crying about a 100% safe and effective vaccine that saves lives just like the Prophet RMN has prophesied.
I don't know anyone that died of coronavirus. I know personally ppl that have been injured by the vax. Therefore, there was never any pandemic. CASE CLOSED!
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 7:43 pm
by thaabit
Socratic wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
I'd rather be in the Telestial Kingdom with my family than the Celestial Kingdom with these mask-wearing, fake-as-hell, holier-than-thou Mormons.
If the Celestial is a neverending second hour class, then no thank you.
#ThinkTelestial
C'mon, at least think Terrestrial.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:08 pm
by larsenb
A phenomenal woman, any way you look at it.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:22 pm
by Chip
larsenb wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:08 pm
A phenomenal woman, any way you look at it.
She's relaying the GOOD NEWS that we all need to hear.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:38 pm
by Blue Marble
Socratic wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
I'd rather be in the Telestial Kingdom with my family than the Celestial Kingdom with these mask-wearing, fake-as-hell, holier-than-thou Mormons.
If the Celestial is a neverending second hour class, then no thank you.
#ThinkTelestial
Good news! If you prefer Telestial, you’ll inherit Telestial.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:48 pm
by Fred
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 4:18 pm
Atrasado wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:12 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:05 pm
In my home 4 of 5 of us got the vaccine. None of us got injured. RMN is 100% correct about a safe and effective vaccine for my home.
And the rest of the world? What of them? Millions have been killed by the COVID-19 vaccines and millions more will be. I find this blasé approach to serious things to be troubling.
I find your assumptions and guesstimating quite amusing. Where is your proof of the millions? Twitter? LOL!
I showed you my first hand account proof of the vaccine 100% safe in my home for 4 of us.
I got more proof....60+ of my cousins,aunts,uncles,nieces and nephews that all got vaxd and none had any complications. Thats still a 100% track record for the vax to my personal knowledge.
The only vax injuries I hear of are on social media. I understand that the mrna vax was rushed to the masses without enough time for testing but the fact is that every vax in history does have side effects and many will be injured but if not for the protection of vaccines then billions would die of viruses.
I personally know 5 that died of the corona virus. All 5 were over weight and over the age of 44. You should focus your time on helping the millions of overweight people be healthier, not crying about a 100% safe and effective vaccine that saves lives just like the Prophet RMN has prophesied.
Here is a link that you may find interesting:
https://maskfree.me/
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:49 pm
by Bonhoeffer
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:11 am
Chip wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:01 am
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 11:49 pm
RMN is using Christ's words to cause church members to divide themselves from those that are not TBM's.
He is creating a fortified cult against anyone that does not align with his counsel which has nothing to do with Christ whatsoever, although he will use the words of Christ to paint his cult as Christian.
The two camps forming:
1- The self righteous honoring the leadership of RMN without question.
2- Those that are discovering that his leadership is of the world, for the world, and worships the world.
The interesting thing is that neither side can convince the other of their point of view. It's an astonishing phenomena. Both sides are aligned
to what is in their core. The self righteous have a physical leader which is very easy to follow. The other side only follows the Holy Spirit which is a very difficult path.
Christ IS dividing these two groups and RMN is doing is best to rally as many as he can to bolster his position by instructing them to cut off family before the family can influence the TBM's into seeing the clear path to Christ.
The difficult path is the way of Christ. To seek ONLY him with no intercessor.
Thank God for the fresh air in this post above. I wish I could articulate things so well. I just get knotted up in frustration over these layered deceptions of the adversary, worrying for the people that are falling for them, who suppose I'm the one deceived.
People ARE dividing by what is in their core. It's horrible to see how many don't care about truth. It's so painful to be in this church nowadays.
yah, it's painful to watch this happen. My wife comes from a large family which are all grown with spouses, children. She recently went to visit them at a large family gathering and just sat as an observer as all of them extolled the virtues of RMN and the church . She said they were robotic....... entranced. She just listened and was greatly saddened to see that there was no depth left in their words. Something is changing. The distance of separation is growing quickly.
Sounds like the struggle sessions communists love to have where individuals rise one by one and proclaim their devoted allegiance to their supreme leader or in this case their “beloved prophet, even…” If any of them faltered or another “member” could hear doubt in their voice they’d be sent to re-education camps or in LDS culture be told to read the BOM daily, pray, don’t look at social media or any media for that matter except for their approved communist dogma. The United order came first but it sure resembles communism.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 8:50 pm
by Arm Chair Quarterback
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:51 pm
Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 1:59 pm
FrankOne wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 12:26 am
We aren't sure how many were vaxxed but we suspect that all of them are. Something is amiss.
I'm not so sure that anything has changed in your extended family. When YOU change, when your perspective on faith, belief, your view of truth---when that changes your view of people you used to agree with changes too. It may be that the only difference is the person doing the viewing is viewing things from an entirely different perspective---and that new view gives the impression that others have changed. They haven't. You. have. And that change in viewpoint completely alters how you view others.
I understand your point, but I am still sure. I don't think it's the vaxes, I think it is them becoming more fixed in what they perceive is "faith" and clinging more to the church as things become more uncertain. Both sides of the church members/ex members are moving. Neither of them are stationary. They are moving apart.
Is this a physics equation. For action there is an equal and opposite reaction? Agree with your point.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 9:08 pm
by randyps
thaabit wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 7:40 pm
I don't know anyone that died of coronavirus. I know personally ppl that have been injured by the vax. Therefore, there was never any pandemic. CASE CLOSED!
You can thank the vaccine for no one dying but that comes at the expense of a few side effects you get from any vaccine.
Much better then no vaccine and the entire human population perish.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 9:10 pm
by Bonhoeffer
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:53 pm
Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:27 pm
randyps wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:18 pm
I never got vaxd because the prophet encouraged us. Me and my whole family was inactive in 2020 so we had no idea what church was saying.
We got vaxd because the schools made my kids and my work made me. My stay at home ex-wife was the only one that didnt get vaxd.
The vax hurt no one that I know of! ever! thats 100% safe in my world. What about you in your conspiracy world?
I know many that are currently on diabetes and high blood pressure meds because of bad diet and un healthy lifestyle, thats a 1,000 times bigger problem then some vax. Maybe you need to change your outlook on life and be happy instead of miserable, fearful and a doomsdayer.
I have a helicopter pilot friend in the military that has testified before congress of his vax injuries. He has been unable to fly since December 2021. One of the fittest and most bad a$$ athletes I’ve met and now he cannot carry a box 200 yards due to his heart rate going over 170 beats/min.
Your uncaring and dismissive attitude toward people who have died as a result of this is so unChristian but what do I know.
Your unwillingness to learn of the many dangers behind this mRNA technology or believe scientists sounding the alarm hopefully not come back to haunt you.
Your ONE friend? is that all you personally know of? i know of zero injured so there is no dismissive attitude I have because I know of no one injured/dead personally.
My conversation was with Altrasaso who claims millions are injured and dead and millions more to come. I laugh at his "Millions" because it is not true, he is a conspiracy theorists who only listens to fake news and exagerated reports from anti-government journalists.
My sister had a miscarriage and then her next pregnancy resulted in a placenta that didn’t work, effectively starving the baby resulting in its death. My SIL had 2 miscarriages. My son’s 17 yo friend had a heart attack in his sleep. That young man was a state ranked baseball player. 3 of my friends who were in menopause for a number of yrs started getting periods again. 1 friend bled for 2 mos straight. A YW in our ward had to hold off on going on a mission bc she developed “heart issues” out of the blue. I could go on.
Count yourself extremely fortunate you don’t have first hand knowledge of people who’ve either died or experienced life altering negative side effects from these bioweapons. Don’t be so pious as to completely dismiss those that have. Some of us have been trying to sound the alarm and hold those pushing the vax to account to save people like you who are still proudly ignorant.
Re: Nelson's Fall 2023 Talk
Posted: October 2nd, 2023, 9:31 pm
by Severus
As I sat listening to RMN I was deeply impressed with the spiritual strength, authority and priesthood power that came with his talk. There was definately something that carried more weight when he spoke than any speaker before him.
And the message was simple but very good and timely. Romans 8:6-8 basically says the same thing. I, for one, plan to discipline myself to follow this teaching. I liked how he taught that we can put seemingly innocent things before Christ without thinking until they become an obsession or even an addiction that start replacing religion.
Good food for thought.
I know he gave a talk one time where he brought up the idea that too many of us can be "myopic", and I think this "think celestial" is sort of along the same lines. He wants to elevate and elongate our vision to something beyond this world instead of always looking down and getting stopped by the frustrations inherent with life on this earth.