Why Do So Many Cults Practice Polygamy?

[OPMissionary]

I think you are also using too narrow of a lens. Is it men or women who are the ones demanding an abortion happen? As I’ve repeatedly stated, YES, you can always find a woman who does all of the same sinful behaviors as men. But, what I don’t think can be argued is that women, generally, have a more kind and softer nature. They are often more caring and nurturing. It’s just the facts of life. Men and women are hardwired differently. And, not to beat a dead horse, this idea is not universal among all women. There, I don’t think I need to chase the rabbit anymore.

You are believing in fairy tales... Women are just sugar and spice and everything nice.


I've also heard that women don't fart. Is that true too?

Since the garden women have manipulated men into sin and transgression.

If you want to put on blinders and underestimate women you are free to do so. But men and women have the same capacity to be good or evil.

I think you are misled as to what occurred in the garden. Maybe that’s where much of this stems from. Eve played a far greater role than I think any of us can imagine. She wasn’t dumb and she didn’t manipulate Adam.

The viewpoint you are describing is a modern LDS "woke" narrative, and you really won't find it anywhere else.

“Eve set the pattern. In addition to bearing children, she mothered all of mankind when she made the most courageous decision any woman has ever made and with Adam opened the way for us to progress. She set an example of womanhood for men to respect and women to follow, modeling the characteristics with which we as women have been endowed: heroic faith, a keen sensitivity to the Spirit, an abhorrence of evil, and complete selflessness. Like the Savior, ‘who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,’ Eve, for the joy of helping initiate the human family, endured the Fall. She loved us enough to help lead us.” – Sheri Dew

Basically framing the temptation of Satan (literally Satan) as a moment of righteous foresight instead of a moment of weakness. Eve is great, but let's not pretend that following the devil and convincing Adam to do the same was this noble thing. The point is, we all sin.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The viewpoint you are describing is a modern LDS "woke" narrative, and you really won't find it anywhere else.

“Eve set the pattern. In addition to bearing children, she mothered all of mankind when she made the most courageous decision any woman has ever made and with Adam opened the way for us to progress. She set an example of womanhood for men to respect and women to follow, modeling the characteristics with which we as women have been endowed: heroic faith, a keen sensitivity to the Spirit, an abhorrence of evil, and complete selflessness. Like the Savior, ‘who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,’ Eve, for the joy of helping initiate the human family, endured the Fall. She loved us enough to help lead us.” – Sheri Dew

Basically framing the temptation of Satan (literally Satan) as a moment of righteous foresight instead of a moment of weakness. Eve is great, but let's not pretend that following the devil and convincing Adam to do the same was this noble thing. The point is, we all sin.

Just because the LDS org parrots something, doesn't mean there isn't truth there. They are master plagiarizers.

Do you think there was another way, other than partaking of the fruit, for the Fall to happen?

[FrankOne]

But they are inherently more predatory than women. Again, back to the OP, men are the instigators of polygamy, not women. Polygamy is a predatory behavior. Some people don't like me saying that, but the historical examples are there for all to see the fruits.

I decided to reply again to this post in order to not mix the subject.

I typically am aligned with most of your posts, but on this subject , we do see things quite differently. You have made broad statements in your post above which are not really accurate.

"polygamy is a predatory behavior" -

Since I live by a few different groups of plygs (local term), and have associated with them for several decades, I have observed their practices. Some of these are not affiliated with any organized church and some are. All of the women that get involved with polygamy are doing it voluntarily albeit many of them do it out of what they perceive as religious duty because they firmly believe that "the principle" will bring them a higher degree of salvation. The past practices of Jeffs et al with young girls has stopped (as far as i am aware).

I personally do not believe that the doctrine of these plyg churches is true.

Then there are those polygamists that have simply chosen to be married. There are many women out there that actually desire polygamy, and this cannot be argued because it is absolutely true. This fact does invalidate the claim that "polygamy is a predatory behavior". I've seen these types of relationships that occur simply out of choice by all parties and some of them work very well, and others crash and burn. Polygamy is a very very difficult endeavor even if practiced by consenting adults. Monogamy is learning institution (101) and polygamy is learning institution (502).

To choose a side and then fight for it, using scripture is merely a defense for a personal preference, hence, the scripture and history bashing that occurs here on this subject. Nobody proving the other wrong nor proving they are right.

I am all for letting men and women engage in polygamy because I have seen it work and do well. Those that crash and burn also had the experience they needed. With divorce rates in monogamy being some 70% within 10 yrs, i hardly think that monogamy is any different today than polygamy. Selfishness and irresponsible behavior rules the world.

I too have seen all sorts of holy and unholy lifestyle choices both work and not work.

Also that is a fallacious argument above in red.

It's fine for consenting adults to engage in polygamy or buggery or prostitution, but that's a far cry from being a holy practice.

I gave those numbers etc because of the arguments of how polygamy is so destructive and unworkable. It wasn't a defense of polygamy, it was just to put it in the light of how monogamy has , in general, become a failed institution for the masses.

I would think that your last line meant that polygamy is "an unholy practice". I see that as a fallacious statement.
Playing the God card isn't a good argument. There are two sides to that argument of whether God approves or disapproves which has been bantered here ad nauseam. I firmly choose neither side of that argument and let God decide if a person is approved or not. We cannot know where God's position is in regards to every polygamous marriage....yet it is often assumed.

For some reason, it seems to be assumed that God will either approve or disapprove polygamy for an entire group all at once. A sort of "that was a time for it" or "this is not a time for it" for everyone on the ENTIRE earth. History doesn't show that at all.

I am only saying that the relationship God has with individuals is their business and I cannot assume what goes on in peoples lives nor dictate the will of God for others.

[OPMissionary]

The viewpoint you are describing is a modern LDS "woke" narrative, and you really won't find it anywhere else.

“Eve set the pattern. In addition to bearing children, she mothered all of mankind when she made the most courageous decision any woman has ever made and with Adam opened the way for us to progress. She set an example of womanhood for men to respect and women to follow, modeling the characteristics with which we as women have been endowed: heroic faith, a keen sensitivity to the Spirit, an abhorrence of evil, and complete selflessness. Like the Savior, ‘who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,’ Eve, for the joy of helping initiate the human family, endured the Fall. She loved us enough to help lead us.” – Sheri Dew

Basically framing the temptation of Satan (literally Satan) as a moment of righteous foresight instead of a moment of weakness. Eve is great, but let's not pretend that following the devil and convincing Adam to do the same was this noble thing. The point is, we all sin.

Just because the LDS org parrots something, doesn't mean there isn't truth there. They are master plagiarizers.

Do you think there was another way, other than partaking of the fruit, for the Fall to happen?

The betrayal of Jesus was probably necessary too. Doesn't mean I condone it.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The viewpoint you are describing is a modern LDS "woke" narrative, and you really won't find it anywhere else.

“Eve set the pattern. In addition to bearing children, she mothered all of mankind when she made the most courageous decision any woman has ever made and with Adam opened the way for us to progress. She set an example of womanhood for men to respect and women to follow, modeling the characteristics with which we as women have been endowed: heroic faith, a keen sensitivity to the Spirit, an abhorrence of evil, and complete selflessness. Like the Savior, ‘who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,’ Eve, for the joy of helping initiate the human family, endured the Fall. She loved us enough to help lead us.” – Sheri Dew

Basically framing the temptation of Satan (literally Satan) as a moment of righteous foresight instead of a moment of weakness. Eve is great, but let's not pretend that following the devil and convincing Adam to do the same was this noble thing. The point is, we all sin.

Just because the LDS org parrots something, doesn't mean there isn't truth there. They are master plagiarizers.

Do you think there was another way, other than partaking of the fruit, for the Fall to happen?

The betrayal of Jesus was probably necessary too. Doesn't mean I condone it.

Was there another way? Do you think God let an oopsy slip up there? “Crap, now look what you kids have done?”

How does the betrayal of Christ have any relation to Adam/Eve?

[ransomme]

I think you are also using too narrow of a lens. Is it men or women who are the ones demanding an abortion happen? As I’ve repeatedly stated, YES, you can always find a woman who does all of the same sinful behaviors as men. But, what I don’t think can be argued is that women, generally, have a more kind and softer nature. They are often more caring and nurturing. It’s just the facts of life. Men and women are hardwired differently. And, not to beat a dead horse, this idea is not universal among all women. There, I don’t think I need to chase the rabbit anymore.

You are believing in fairy tales... Women are just sugar and spice and everything nice.


I've also heard that women don't fart. Is that true too?

Since the garden women have manipulated men into sin and transgression.

If you want to put on blinders and underestimate women you are free to do so. But men and women have the same capacity to be good or evil.

I think you are misled as to what occurred in the garden. Maybe that’s where much of this stems from. Eve played a far greater role than I think any of us can imagine. She wasn’t dumb and she didn’t manipulate Adam.

Sorry, that line was tongue-in-cheek. It was just meant to be a joke.

Women are no less capable of doing evil.

[OPMissionary]

Just because the LDS org parrots something, doesn't mean there isn't truth there. They are master plagiarizers.

Do you think there was another way, other than partaking of the fruit, for the Fall to happen?

The betrayal of Jesus was probably necessary too. Doesn't mean I condone it.

Was there another way? Do you think God let an oopsy slip up there? “Crap, now look what you kids have done?”

How does the betrayal of Christ have any relation to Adam/Eve?

I think that sometimes, God works through the mistakes of his children.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The betrayal of Jesus was probably necessary too. Doesn't mean I condone it.

Was there another way? Do you think God let an oopsy slip up there? “Crap, now look what you kids have done?”

How does the betrayal of Christ have any relation to Adam/Eve?

I think that sometimes, God works through the mistakes of his children.

So I return to the original question, was there another way?

Lehi seemed to believe it wasn't a mistake.

The process of the Fall wasn't a mistake. Satan didn't happen to outsmart the system.

[OPMissionary]

Was there another way? Do you think God let an oopsy slip up there? “Crap, now look what you kids have done?”

How does the betrayal of Christ have any relation to Adam/Eve?

I think that sometimes, God works through the mistakes of his children.

So I return to the original question, was there another way?

Lehi seemed to believe it wasn't a mistake.

The process of the Fall wasn't a mistake. Satan didn't happen to outsmart the system.

The fall was inevitable.

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

I decided to reply again to this post in order to not mix the subject.

I typically am aligned with most of your posts, but on this subject , we do see things quite differently. You have made broad statements in your post above which are not really accurate.

"polygamy is a predatory behavior" -

Since I live by a few different groups of plygs (local term), and have associated with them for several decades, I have observed their practices. Some of these are not affiliated with any organized church and some are. All of the women that get involved with polygamy are doing it voluntarily albeit many of them do it out of what they perceive as religious duty because they firmly believe that "the principle" will bring them a higher degree of salvation. The past practices of Jeffs et al with young girls has stopped (as far as i am aware).

I personally do not believe that the doctrine of these plyg churches is true.

Then there are those polygamists that have simply chosen to be married. There are many women out there that actually desire polygamy, and this cannot be argued because it is absolutely true. This fact does invalidate the claim that "polygamy is a predatory behavior". I've seen these types of relationships that occur simply out of choice by all parties and some of them work very well, and others crash and burn. Polygamy is a very very difficult endeavor even if practiced by consenting adults. Monogamy is learning institution (101) and polygamy is learning institution (502).

To choose a side and then fight for it, using scripture is merely a defense for a personal preference, hence, the scripture and history bashing that occurs here on this subject. Nobody proving the other wrong nor proving they are right.

I am all for letting men and women engage in polygamy because I have seen it work and do well. Those that crash and burn also had the experience they needed. With divorce rates in monogamy being some 70% within 10 yrs, i hardly think that monogamy is any different today than polygamy. Selfishness and irresponsible behavior rules the world.

I too have seen all sorts of holy and unholy lifestyle choices both work and not work.

Also that is a fallacious argument above in red.

It's fine for consenting adults to engage in polygamy or buggery or prostitution, but that's a far cry from being a holy practice.

I gave those numbers etc because of the arguments of how polygamy is so destructive and unworkable. It wasn't a defense of polygamy, it was just to put it in the light of how monogamy has , in general, become a failed institution for the masses.

I would think that your last line meant that polygamy is "an unholy practice". I see that as a fallacious statement.
Playing the God card isn't a good argument. There are two sides to that argument of whether God approves or disapproves which has been bantered here ad nauseam. I firmly choose neither side of that argument and let God decide if a person is approved or not. We cannot know where God's position is in regards to every polygamous marriage....yet it is often assumed.

For some reason, it seems to be assumed that God will either approve or disapprove polygamy for an entire group all at once. A sort of "that was a time for it" or "this is not a time for it" for everyone on the ENTIRE earth. History doesn't show that at all.

I am only saying that the relationship God has with individuals is their business and I cannot assume what goes on in peoples lives nor dictate the will of God for others.

Is god a relative god or an absolute god. truth is absolute not relative. Thats a problem if we’re to accept the idea that polygamy is relative. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad.

[ransomme]

I decided to reply again to this post in order to not mix the subject.

I typically am aligned with most of your posts, but on this subject , we do see things quite differently. You have made broad statements in your post above which are not really accurate.

"polygamy is a predatory behavior" -

Since I live by a few different groups of plygs (local term), and have associated with them for several decades, I have observed their practices. Some of these are not affiliated with any organized church and some are. All of the women that get involved with polygamy are doing it voluntarily albeit many of them do it out of what they perceive as religious duty because they firmly believe that "the principle" will bring them a higher degree of salvation. The past practices of Jeffs et al with young girls has stopped (as far as i am aware).

I personally do not believe that the doctrine of these plyg churches is true.

Then there are those polygamists that have simply chosen to be married. There are many women out there that actually desire polygamy, and this cannot be argued because it is absolutely true. This fact does invalidate the claim that "polygamy is a predatory behavior". I've seen these types of relationships that occur simply out of choice by all parties and some of them work very well, and others crash and burn. Polygamy is a very very difficult endeavor even if practiced by consenting adults. Monogamy is learning institution (101) and polygamy is learning institution (502).

To choose a side and then fight for it, using scripture is merely a defense for a personal preference, hence, the scripture and history bashing that occurs here on this subject. Nobody proving the other wrong nor proving they are right.

I am all for letting men and women engage in polygamy because I have seen it work and do well. Those that crash and burn also had the experience they needed. With divorce rates in monogamy being some 70% within 10 yrs, i hardly think that monogamy is any different today than polygamy. Selfishness and irresponsible behavior rules the world.

I too have seen all sorts of holy and unholy lifestyle choices both work and not work.

Also that is a fallacious argument above in red.

It's fine for consenting adults to engage in polygamy or buggery or prostitution, but that's a far cry from being a holy practice.

I gave those numbers etc because of the arguments of how polygamy is so destructive and unworkable. It wasn't a defense of polygamy, it was just to put it in the light of how monogamy has , in general, become a failed institution for the masses.

I would think that your last line meant that polygamy is "an unholy practice". I see that as a fallacious statement.
Playing the God card isn't a good argument. There are two sides to that argument of whether God approves or disapproves which has been bantered here ad nauseam. I firmly choose neither side of that argument and let God decide if a person is approved or not. We cannot know where God's position is in regards to every polygamous marriage....yet it is often assumed.

For some reason, it seems to be assumed that God will either approve or disapprove polygamy for an entire group all at once. A sort of "that was a time for it" or "this is not a time for it" for everyone on the ENTIRE earth. History doesn't show that at all.

I am only saying that the relationship God has with individuals is their business and I cannot assume what goes on in peoples lives nor dictate the will of God for others.

Holiness to the Lord

What the Spirit has taught me about the meaning of holy, about leaving one's parents and cleaving unto one's spouse, about not serving two masters, about Zion and becoming one with the Lord, and more, makes it clear that polygamy is an unholy practice.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The fall was inevitable.

No, it wasn't. The circumstances were set by God. By saying it was "inevitable" is suggests it could have happened by mistake. Not only that, but you're perspective of these events would suggest that Eve/women played some poor role in that process. I've read other versions of the Garden story, and Eve is not this ditsy person so many make her out to be.

[Christianlee]

Maybe this has already been mentioned. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[FrankOne]

I too have seen all sorts of holy and unholy lifestyle choices both work and not work.

Also that is a fallacious argument above in red.

It's fine for consenting adults to engage in polygamy or buggery or prostitution, but that's a far cry from being a holy practice.

I gave those numbers etc because of the arguments of how polygamy is so destructive and unworkable. It wasn't a defense of polygamy, it was just to put it in the light of how monogamy has , in general, become a failed institution for the masses.

I would think that your last line meant that polygamy is "an unholy practice". I see that as a fallacious statement.
Playing the God card isn't a good argument. There are two sides to that argument of whether God approves or disapproves which has been bantered here ad nauseam. I firmly choose neither side of that argument and let God decide if a person is approved or not. We cannot know where God's position is in regards to every polygamous marriage....yet it is often assumed.

For some reason, it seems to be assumed that God will either approve or disapprove polygamy for an entire group all at once. A sort of "that was a time for it" or "this is not a time for it" for everyone on the ENTIRE earth. History doesn't show that at all.

I am only saying that the relationship God has with individuals is their business and I cannot assume what goes on in peoples lives nor dictate the will of God for others.

Is god a relative god or an absolute god. truth is absolute not relative. Thats a problem if we’re to accept the idea that polygamy is relative. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad.

As some may know, my threads are in the heretic subforum and so my response may seem 'out there'.

There are many Gods. The God that says that the Jews are his special chosen ones is a specific God and this is Jehovah. This, of course is odd in itself because it would seem that the God of all men would not be partial to any of his creations. I find it odd that very few find this odd. Is Jehovah the God of all men?

As an example of others, the God of the Buddhists is quite different and is considered incomprehensible to man. He is not Jehovah. LDS members simply dismiss their idea of God as 'wrong' and smugly ignore it. As all religions teach , "we are right and everyone else is wrong" yet very few takes a moment to step back , see a full view , and question what is actually going on and then study the histories of the origins of religions to get a comprehensive picture. It's much easier to just stay with what you believe and pretend that you know what you don't know. Questioning things like this can be disturbing and in all truth, isn't beneficial for many.

The underlying principle of all these types of discussions is "which God do you seek?". We all seek the God that matches what we want . Some want a vengeful God, and they find him. Some want a God that is not vengeful, and they find that God as well. Make no mistake, the foregoing are different Gods.

So, relating this to polygamy and whether God authorizes it: Which God is your God?

[Niemand]

Plenty of cults don't practice polygamy. Some practice chastity and some practice monogamy, or arranged marriage. The most obvious example of the latter would be the Moonies. Heaven's Gate castrated many of its members.

[ransomme]

The fall was inevitable.

No, it wasn't. The circumstances were set by God. By saying it was "inevitable" is suggests it could have happened by mistake. Not only that, but you're perspective of these events would suggest that Eve/women played some poor role in that process. I've read other versions of the Garden story, and Eve is not this ditsy person so many make her out to be.

Feminism is older than you think

So Eve wasn't beguiled by the serpent (nachash) pretending to be a being of light (nachash)?

And in wouldn't say inevitable, but it was needed. It brought about the conditions for the Redeemer to be slain.

[NeveR]

Free love, orgies, wife-swapping, etc. are not the same thing as Celestial Plural Marriage governed by its strict laws.

True. But the latter does potentially provide a good cover/excuse for the former doesn't it.

[ransomme]

I gave those numbers etc because of the arguments of how polygamy is so destructive and unworkable. It wasn't a defense of polygamy, it was just to put it in the light of how monogamy has , in general, become a failed institution for the masses.

I would think that your last line meant that polygamy is "an unholy practice". I see that as a fallacious statement.
Playing the God card isn't a good argument. There are two sides to that argument of whether God approves or disapproves which has been bantered here ad nauseam. I firmly choose neither side of that argument and let God decide if a person is approved or not. We cannot know where God's position is in regards to every polygamous marriage....yet it is often assumed.

For some reason, it seems to be assumed that God will either approve or disapprove polygamy for an entire group all at once. A sort of "that was a time for it" or "this is not a time for it" for everyone on the ENTIRE earth. History doesn't show that at all.

I am only saying that the relationship God has with individuals is their business and I cannot assume what goes on in peoples lives nor dictate the will of God for others.

Is god a relative god or an absolute god. truth is absolute not relative. Thats a problem if we’re to accept the idea that polygamy is relative. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad.

As some may know, my threads are in the heretic subforum and so my response may seem 'out there'.

There are many Gods. The God that says that the Jews are his special chosen ones is a specific God and this is Jehovah. This, of course is odd in itself because it would seem that the God of all men would not be partial to any of his creations. I find it odd that very few find this odd. Is Jehovah the God of all men?

As an example of others, the God of the Buddhists is quite different and is considered incomprehensible to man. He is not Jehovah. LDS members simply dismiss their idea of God as 'wrong' and smugly ignore it. As all religions teach , "we are right and everyone else is wrong" yet very few takes a moment to step back , see a full view , and question what is actually going on and then study the histories of the origins of religions to get a comprehensive picture. It's much easier to just stay with what you believe and pretend that you know what you don't know. Questioning things like this can be disturbing and in all truth, isn't beneficial for many.

The underlying principle of all these types of discussions is "which God do you seek?". We all seek the God that matches what we want . Some want a vengeful God, and they find him. Some want a God that is not vengeful, and they find that God as well. Make no mistake, the foregoing are different Gods.

So, relating this to polygamy and whether God authorizes it: Which God is your God?

Is this Ymar incognito ?

First of all Buddhism doesn't have a god or gods. Buddhism has deities. Buddha is the first dude who reached "enlightenment".

You have the agency to worship whomever/whatever you want. But YHWH is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's.

[ransomme]

Free love, orgies, wife-swapping, etc. are not the same thing as Celestial Plural Marriage governed by its strict laws.

Don't you mean spiritual wifery? That's what it was called in those early days by Brigham et al. in their secret chambers.

[FrankOne]

Is god a relative god or an absolute god. truth is absolute not relative. Thats a problem if we’re to accept the idea that polygamy is relative. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad.

As some may know, my threads are in the heretic subforum and so my response may seem 'out there'.

There are many Gods. The God that says that the Jews are his special chosen ones is a specific God and this is Jehovah. This, of course is odd in itself because it would seem that the God of all men would not be partial to any of his creations. I find it odd that very few find this odd. Is Jehovah the God of all men?

As an example of others, the God of the Buddhists is quite different and is considered incomprehensible to man. He is not Jehovah. LDS members simply dismiss their idea of God as 'wrong' and smugly ignore it. As all religions teach , "we are right and everyone else is wrong" yet very few takes a moment to step back , see a full view , and question what is actually going on and then study the histories of the origins of religions to get a comprehensive picture. It's much easier to just stay with what you believe and pretend that you know what you don't know. Questioning things like this can be disturbing and in all truth, isn't beneficial for many.

The underlying principle of all these types of discussions is "which God do you seek?". We all seek the God that matches what we want . Some want a vengeful God, and they find him. Some want a God that is not vengeful, and they find that God as well. Make no mistake, the foregoing are different Gods.

So, relating this to polygamy and whether God authorizes it: Which God is your God?

Is this Ymar incognito ?

First of all Buddhism doesn't have a god or gods. Buddhism has deities. Buddha is the first dude who reached "enlightenment".

You have the agency to worship whomever/whatever you want. But YHWH is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's.

sorry to disappoint you, but no...I am not Ymar. His God was one of vengeance which, in actuality, is the same God that most follow.

As far as Buddhism, I used the term "God" because the average person doesn't understand the word "nothing". Nothing to man is everything outside of the time/space construct. The nothing (incomprehensible existence) is our destiny, whether it takes a 100 or a trillion years in time. Until then, there will be processions of Gods, planets, and peoples working through time. Christ could not begin to relate this to people when he was here so , he talked in parables and never spoke in terms of hard doctrine. "Love" and Forgiveness was his message.

In my point of view, we all go home, without exception, because it is impossible not to. Home is where "God" lives and where Christ lives. We are the image of God, but in this world, we cannot begin to comprehend what that means exactly because we believe in bodies, weakness, adversity and conditional love.

Posts like these do belong in the heretic subforum. My apologies .

[Niemand]

Is this Ymar incognito ?

First of all Buddhism doesn't have a god or gods. Buddhism has deities. Buddha is the first dude who reached "enlightenment".

You have the agency to worship whomever/whatever you want. But YHWH is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's.

Really depends on the form of Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism in its true form of riddled with gods whereas Riinzai Zen can be atheist. (Buddhists also have Boddhisattvas, which to most intents and purposes function like gods or Romanist saints.)

[ransomme]

As some may know, my threads are in the heretic subforum and so my response may seem 'out there'.

There are many Gods. The God that says that the Jews are his special chosen ones is a specific God and this is Jehovah. This, of course is odd in itself because it would seem that the God of all men would not be partial to any of his creations. I find it odd that very few find this odd. Is Jehovah the God of all men?

As an example of others, the God of the Buddhists is quite different and is considered incomprehensible to man. He is not Jehovah. LDS members simply dismiss their idea of God as 'wrong' and smugly ignore it. As all religions teach , "we are right and everyone else is wrong" yet very few takes a moment to step back , see a full view , and question what is actually going on and then study the histories of the origins of religions to get a comprehensive picture. It's much easier to just stay with what you believe and pretend that you know what you don't know. Questioning things like this can be disturbing and in all truth, isn't beneficial for many.

The underlying principle of all these types of discussions is "which God do you seek?". We all seek the God that matches what we want . Some want a vengeful God, and they find him. Some want a God that is not vengeful, and they find that God as well. Make no mistake, the foregoing are different Gods.

So, relating this to polygamy and whether God authorizes it: Which God is your God?

Is this Ymar incognito ?

First of all Buddhism doesn't have a god or gods. Buddhism has deities. Buddha is the first dude who reached "enlightenment".

You have the agency to worship whomever/whatever you want. But YHWH is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's.

sorry to disappoint you, but no...I am not Ymar. His God was one of vengeance which, in actuality, is the same God that most follow.

As far as Buddhism, I used the term "God" because the average person doesn't understand the word "nothing". Nothing to man is everything outside of the time/space construct. The nothing (incomprehensible existence) is our destiny, whether it takes a 100 or a trillion years in time. Until then, there will be processions of Gods, planets, and peoples working through time. Christ could not begin to relate this to people when he was here so , he talked in parables and never spoke in terms of hard doctrine. "Love" and Forgiveness was his message.

In my point of view, we all go home, without exception, because it is impossible not to. Home is where "God" lives and where Christ lives. We are the image of God, but in this world, we cannot begin to comprehend what that means exactly because we believe in bodies, weakness, adversity and conditional love.

Posts like these do belong in the heretic subforum. My apologies .

I think you mean "likeness", not "image". Image in the creation story is a status not a set of qualities.

Buddhism has truth but misses on many points and misses out on much. And Jesus taught more than love and forgiveness.

[ransomme]

Is this Ymar incognito ?

First of all Buddhism doesn't have a god or gods. Buddhism has deities. Buddha is the first dude who reached "enlightenment".

You have the agency to worship whomever/whatever you want. But YHWH is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's.

Really depends on the form of Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism in its true form of riddled with gods whereas Riinzai Zen can be atheist. (Buddhists also have Boddhisattvas, which to most intents and purposes function like gods or Romanist saints.)

Do you have any texts or teachings about Buddhists worshipping any god?

To me it seems that they make distinctions between a god and a deity. For instance Buddhism does not seem to have a belief in a supreme being or a Creator.

[Niemand]

Do you have any texts or teachings about Buddhists worshipping any god?

To me it seems that they make distinctions between a god and a deity. For instance Buddhism does not seem to have a belief in a supreme being or a Creator.

I tend to think of a deity being the same as a god. Much like I can't get my head around how legal and lawful are any different, but just represent the Germanic and Latinate words for the same thing.

Tara and Kwannon come to mind. The current Dalai Lama had a quarrel with the Shugden cult some years ago. Shugden seems to be one of the more sinister figures in the Tibetan Buddhist/Bonpo pantheon.

[ransomme]

Do you have any texts or teachings about Buddhists worshipping any god?

To me it seems that they make distinctions between a god and a deity. For instance Buddhism does not seem to have a belief in a supreme being or a Creator.

I tend to think of a deity being the same as a god. Much like I can't get my head around how legal and lawful are any different, but just represent the Germanic and Latinate words for the same thing.

Tara and Kwannon come to mind. The current Dalai Lama had a quarrel with the Shugden cult some years ago. Shugden seems to be one of the more sinister figures in the Tibetan Buddhist/Bonpo pantheon.

Well the difference between legal and lawful is not easily represented in concise language. As far as the temple goes for instance, legal is according to man's traditions/laws whereas lawful is according to God's law.