LDS Freedom Forum

tribrac wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 9:43 am

Chip wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 11:43 pm I have been telling myself and my friends that the church's behavior is just going to get crazier and crazier, because that is the trajectory they are on. It is going to progressively exceed the boundaries of what we think is possible. I suppose we ain't seen nuttin' yet. Just keep watching and remember this.

Are you wondering what is around the next corner?

Not really, but I am content knowing that there will be many surprising things. What they will be is hard to predict, but they'll probably revolve around intrigues over politics and money. And, then, there will be some crazy surprises that demolish all precedents, that will leave TBM's questioning their senses.

ChooseTruth wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:47 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.

I have participated in ones that have been held on Monday evenings. The stake liked that the building was empty and not otherwise used. So, it preferred that day.

We would always hold them on a Sunday night in our stake.

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 12:30 pm Saw this podcast mentioned on X so I gave it a listen. If the research they’re revealing is true, which I have no reason to believe otherwise, nothing TB has ever said can be believed. The founding of OUR was based on a lie, the missions they went on, though extremely dangerous, were lies. Glenn Beck needs to answer for grifting his listeners for their sacred donations. It’s ALL one giant con!

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/r ... 0629490694

https://redpilledamerica.com/episodes/e ... part-four/

It kind of sounds like the perfect crime. Convince a bunch of attractive women, who really want to help kids, to "act" like your wife and use the love of children to help yourself financially.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.

Once upon a time, in the church, Monday evenings were considered strictly for family home evening (FHE) - & no church activities were to be scheduled then.

I don’t remember last time I heard FHE be mentioned in church - been a long time. Seems especially with some GA comments to youth about not needing parents so much, that they think they can parent better than parents.

I just saw this. I'm sure it means nothing though Way to back up your friend Sean. It seems that one of the producers of Sound of freedom and long time friend of Tim no longer supports Tim in his senate run. Tim seems to have a lot of friends (Eric Moutsos) who seem to be helping the political meat grinder if Tim is innocent.
https://www.ksl.com/article/50741118/se ... enate-race

Also Sean's comment here is interesting:
"Until we know more through the resolution of these cases and complaints, I strongly believe that Tim Ballard and OUR deserve a presumption of innocence just as women coming forward on these issues should have a presumption of credibility."

We believe TIm hurt you in some way but we also believe Tim hasn't hurt anyone LOL OK Taking all positions isn't really taking a position. Just leave it at we don't have evidence yet.

I can't see the rest of this article because of the paywall but this is brutal. They want nothing to do with Tim.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/09 ... llard-lds/

Ok...if you had any doubts about the motive behind the Utah church and state pile on with Tim Ballard...wonder no longer:
FOCUS on the last part of the headline...wait what??? Tim Ballard HAS NOT officially announced ANYTHING YET...but...Sean will not endorse him?????

Why in the world would Sean say such a thing at this point in time??? It makes ZERO sense.

Unless....the motive all along was to DESTROY Tim Ballard's political aspirations.

It gets better, rumor has it Romney's son may be running for his seat.

See how the machine works in Utah????

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:53 pm I can't see the rest of this article because of the paywall but this is brutal. They want nothing to do with Tim.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/09 ... llard-lds/

Open the link in incognito mode.
I don't think this is a global conspiracy or anything. It is just people are finally realizing the truth.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm Another me-too hit job?

The primary goal was definitely to derail his Senate ambitions and we all know Soros money can buy witnesses to say anything, but these 7 women were all employees of OUR. It seems near impossible, unless these employees already hated him or something. How do you get 7 women who like working for an organization that saves children to lie for money?

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:53 pm I can't see the rest of this article because of the paywall but this is brutal. They want nothing to do with Tim.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/09 ... llard-lds/

Sounds like they are cancelling the Founding Fathers, along with Tim.

In the “Washington Hypothesis,” Park added, Ballard continues a trend of using bad evidence to reach even worse conclusions by using a dubious account related by a Revolutionary War veteran who asserted — decades later — that George Washington received a visit from a female angel at Valley Forge to reassure the downcast leader that America would prevail in that war and other conflicts.

During the course of that vision, Ballard wrote, the soldier said Washington saw another angel, this one a male, dip “water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand” and sprinkle some of it on America. In the book, Ballard writes the male angel was anointing the land and theorizes it was Moroni, who Latter-day Saints believe gave church founder Joseph Smith the gold plates from which he translated the Book of Mormon.

Sounds like the church is a seething Democrat.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:19 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm Another me-too hit job?

The primary goal was definitely to derail his Senate ambitions and we all know Soros money can buy witnesses to say anything, but these 7 women were all employees of OUR. It seems near impossible, unless these employees already hated him or something. How do you get 7 women who like working for an organization that saves children to lie for money?

See my post on page 2:

"If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing."

Remember dark forces have been trying to stop Tim and the movie for years. It's common practice to make some sort of sexual harassment charge against a political target to take them down.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 12:11 pm

ChooseTruth wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:47 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.

I have participated in ones that have been held on Monday evenings. The stake liked that the building was empty and not otherwise used. So, it preferred that day.

Wow, interesting. Monday nights used to be sacrosanct. Nothing was to be scheduled on Monday night. In our school and political affairs we were urged to have things scheduled for any other night than Monday.

But times change I guess.

As a youth- yw - many moons ago
I phoned a friend to chat- on a Monday evening
Her father answered - holy smokes- he railed on me for so rudely interrupting their sacred FHE -
He was creepy anyway- major holier than thou
Self righteous jerk
Still that way years later -

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:19 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm Another me-too hit job?

The primary goal was definitely to derail his Senate ambitions and we all know Soros money can buy witnesses to say anything, but these 7 women were all employees of OUR. It seems near impossible, unless these employees already hated him or something. How do you get 7 women who like working for an organization that saves children to lie for money?

He was forced to resign from OUR because OUR saw evidence of something that was bad enough to warrant getting rid of him. These women made complaints before June of this year. These women complained and action was taken well before Tim asked Sean Reyes to announce he was thinking of running. Wouldn't these women have to be aware of his senate ambitions to derail them? His ambitions weren't known back then. Sean Reyes announced Tim was thinking about the senate run 2 days before the church condemned TIm.

The church might have been trying to derail Tim's senate run but that doesn't explain these women coming forward months before he announced. OUR wouldn't kick Tim out unless they had information about wrongdoing and I don't think Tim would leave OUR unless he knew they had something concrete on him. He started OUR so he wouldn't just walk away and start another org. Perhaps the church and others are out to get Tim and Tim did some things to make it easy to take him out politically.

Chip wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:28 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:53 pm I can't see the rest of this article because of the paywall but this is brutal. They want nothing to do with Tim.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/09 ... llard-lds/

Sounds like they are cancelling the Founding Fathers, along with Tim.

In the “Washington Hypothesis,” Park added, Ballard continues a trend of using bad evidence to reach even worse conclusions by using a dubious account related by a Revolutionary War veteran who asserted — decades later — that George Washington received a visit from a female angel at Valley Forge to reassure the downcast leader that America would prevail in that war and other conflicts.

During the course of that vision, Ballard wrote, the soldier said Washington saw another angel, this one a male, dip “water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand” and sprinkle some of it on America. In the book, Ballard writes the male angel was anointing the land and theorizes it was Moroni, who Latter-day Saints believe gave church founder Joseph Smith the gold plates from which he translated the Book of Mormon.

Sounds like the church is a seething Democrat.

WOW!

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:19 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm Another me-too hit job?

The primary goal was definitely to derail his Senate ambitions and we all know Soros money can buy witnesses to say anything, but these 7 women were all employees of OUR. It seems near impossible, unless these employees already hated him or something. How do you get 7 women who like working for an organization that saves children to lie for money?

See my post on page 2:

"If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing."

Remember dark forces have been trying to stop Tim and the movie for years. It's common practice to make some sort of sexual harassment charge against a political target to take them down.

Long term planning is an excellent point and I know they set things in motion long before the time comes but how did they know Tim would announce a run for senate in September? Or were they just waiting for an opportunity and Tim made it the right time by announcing? That movie was made years ago so they knew Tim would have his time to shine.

It is interesting to see how wild speculations can run.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:50 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:19 pm
The primary goal was definitely to derail his Senate ambitions and we all know Soros money can buy witnesses to say anything, but these 7 women were all employees of OUR. It seems near impossible, unless these employees already hated him or something. How do you get 7 women who like working for an organization that saves children to lie for money?

See my post on page 2:

"If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing."

Remember dark forces have been trying to stop Tim and the movie for years. It's common practice to make some sort of sexual harassment charge against a political target to take them down.

Long term planning is an excellent point and I know they set things in motion long before the time comes but how did they know Tim would announce a run for senate in September? Or were they just waiting for an opportunity and Tim made it the right time by announcing? That movie was made years ago so they knew Tim would have his time to shine.

I believe there are separate forces trying to take down Tim Ballard. #1. Long term plan to get something/anything on Tim. This was swirling around for some time behind the scenes, but when Tim hinted of a Senate run...the #2 group (Utah political machine both church and state) shamelessly used unsubstantiated accusations of group #1 to try and DESTROY Tim Ballard's political ambitions. It took them all of two days...and seemed reckless and hurried...because it was. The LDS church had to "dirty-up" Tim BEFORE Tim made any public announcement on his run. Otherwise, it would look like a hatchet-job on Tim.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 3:05 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:50 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:32 pm

See my post on page 2:

"If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing."

Remember dark forces have been trying to stop Tim and the movie for years. It's common practice to make some sort of sexual harassment charge against a political target to take them down.

Long term planning is an excellent point and I know they set things in motion long before the time comes but how did they know Tim would announce a run for senate in September? Or were they just waiting for an opportunity and Tim made it the right time by announcing? That movie was made years ago so they knew Tim would have his time to shine.

I believe there are separate forces trying to take down Tim Ballard. #1. Long term plan to get something/anything on Tim. This was swirling around for some time behind the scenes, but when Tim hinted of a Senate run...the #2 group (Utah political machine both church and state) shamelessly used unsubstantiated accusations of group #1 to try and DESTROY Tim Ballard's political ambitions. It took them all of two days...and seemed reckless and hurried...because it was. The LDS church had to "dirty-up" Tim BEFORE Tim made any public announcement on his run. Otherwise, it would look like a hatchet-job on Tim.

I like this answer. Something like this sounds plausible. This would mean that once group 2 knows his chances or senate are gone group 1 will still persist if they can. 2 people or groups can have different motivations for trashing someone and why not work together or look for opportunities when they arise. I think the truth is a little more complex than many people assume.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:44 pm These women complained and action was taken well before Tim asked Sean Reyes to announce he was thinking of running. Wouldn't these women have to be aware of his senate ambitions to derail them?

Yes, that's a good point.

If they were pre-positioned by the deep state, then the timing would suggest they were taking him down to throw mud on the movie.

It just might all be organic though, I don't know.

Chip wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 2:28 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:53 pm I can't see the rest of this article because of the paywall but this is brutal. They want nothing to do with Tim.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/09 ... llard-lds/

Sounds like they are cancelling the Founding Fathers, along with Tim.

In the “Washington Hypothesis,” Park added, Ballard continues a trend of using bad evidence to reach even worse conclusions by using a dubious account related by a Revolutionary War veteran who asserted — decades later — that George Washington received a visit from a female angel at Valley Forge to reassure the downcast leader that America would prevail in that war and other conflicts.

During the course of that vision, Ballard wrote, the soldier said Washington saw another angel, this one a male, dip “water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand” and sprinkle some of it on America. In the book, Ballard writes the male angel was anointing the land and theorizes it was Moroni, who Latter-day Saints believe gave church founder Joseph Smith the gold plates from which he translated the Book of Mormon.

Sounds like the church is a seething Democrat.

Considering that the one thing that democrats hate above all else is freedom, it boggles my mind that a democrat can even be baptized. I'm not against washing away their sins, but if they still hate God after being baptized, what was the point? But since the Q15 all believe in abortion, labor unions, property taxes, population control via Big Pharma, hatred for the second amendment, queers, black lives matter, NAACP, UN, WEF, and a thousand other purely satanic things, I fail to see why anyone would waste hours of time in church or conference to be brainwashed to believe similarly.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 3:05 pm I believe there are separate forces trying to take down Tim Ballard. #1. Long term plan to get something/anything on Tim. This was swirling around for some time behind the scenes, but when Tim hinted of a Senate run...the #2 group (Utah political machine both church and state) shamelessly used unsubstantiated accusations of group #1 to try and DESTROY Tim Ballard's political ambitions. It took them all of two days...and seemed reckless and hurried...because it was. The LDS church had to "dirty-up" Tim BEFORE Tim made any public announcement on his run. Otherwise, it would look like a hatchet-job on Tim.

Assuming this is correct. Why does anyone think Tim would actually be a good politician? Can a lone guy actually do anything in Washington?
I consider Ron Paul a legend, but even he had significant issues getting anything done.

Telavian wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 4:28 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 3:05 pm I believe there are separate forces trying to take down Tim Ballard. #1. Long term plan to get something/anything on Tim. This was swirling around for some time behind the scenes, but when Tim hinted of a Senate run...the #2 group (Utah political machine both church and state) shamelessly used unsubstantiated accusations of group #1 to try and DESTROY Tim Ballard's political ambitions. It took them all of two days...and seemed reckless and hurried...because it was. The LDS church had to "dirty-up" Tim BEFORE Tim made any public announcement on his run. Otherwise, it would look like a hatchet-job on Tim.

Assuming this is correct. Why does anyone think Tim would actually be a good politician? Can a lone guy actually do anything in Washington?
I consider Ron Paul a legend, but even he had significant issues getting anything done.

I think the PTB in Utah are terrified of an outspoken hard-line conservative. It would foil their plans for smart-cities and local globalist goals in Utah. Tim would also scream out to close the border...Hence, the all out pile on.

Dont forget...

Ballard-Bowen-Romney-Ballard

Also, Romney is the President of a secret society in DC, the Alfalfa Club

it's a twisted rabbit hole.

Telavian wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 4:28 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 3:05 pm I believe there are separate forces trying to take down Tim Ballard. #1. Long term plan to get something/anything on Tim. This was swirling around for some time behind the scenes, but when Tim hinted of a Senate run...the #2 group (Utah political machine both church and state) shamelessly used unsubstantiated accusations of group #1 to try and DESTROY Tim Ballard's political ambitions. It took them all of two days...and seemed reckless and hurried...because it was. The LDS church had to "dirty-up" Tim BEFORE Tim made any public announcement on his run. Otherwise, it would look like a hatchet-job on Tim.

Assuming this is correct. Why does anyone think Tim would actually be a good politician? Can a lone guy actually do anything in Washington?
I consider Ron Paul a legend, but even he had significant issues getting anything done.

Maybe it's similar to Trump. Where perhaps the individual is flawed—even deeply flawed—but for one reason or another they have the effect of galvanizing true conservatives who value truth and freedom?

I dunno. I'm not saying he'd be good or not. But I think amidst all the claims and speculation about Tim's character, there's a point to be made that even if his image and reputation is exaggerated, that image and reputation means something to the righteous—or at least to those who are sick of the government selling us into bondage and destruction. If he ran, and if I was a Utah voter, I'd vote for him. I'd give him one term to show whether he's more in the direction of Ron Paul or more in the direction of Mittens "There's No Virtue I Won't Betray Everyone I Know to Signal" Romney.

Some good points. We know what Romney and his ilk are. But what I don’t understand is why anyone would be willing to assume that TB actually has solid conservative values/credentials. I can’t see where there is even any legitimate comparison to Ron Paul.

And, getting all excited about electing someone as a senator, it would be nice to have a chance to actually see their true colors, principles and track record in an actual policy position, like governor, legislator, or congressional rep.