Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:00 am
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Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:12 am
It's all a hit job on TB. Mitten's son is now rumored to be running for his father's senate seat. The Church is supposedly supporting this. (which they are not supposed to get involved) I'm kind of disappointed in Eric Moutsos, he should know better. The deep state is much more powerful than anyone can realize. Tim exposed them and ruffled their feathers. SO it's just as easy for them to blackmail and pay off these women to lie about Tim. I don't care if they seem "credible". The deep state can make anything seem real. QUESTION EVERYTHING nowadays.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:23 am
This may be true. However there are many signs that it is not.kittycat51 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:12 am It's all a hit job on TB. Mitten's son is now supposed to be running for his father's senate seat. The Church is supposedly supporting this. (which they are not supposed to get involved) I'm kind of disappointed in Eric Moutsos, he should know better. The deep state is much more powerful than anyone can realize. Tim exposed them and ruffled their feathers. SO it's just as easy for them to blackmail and pay off these women to lie about Tim. I don't care if they seem "credible". The deep state can make anything seem real. QUESTION EVERYTHING nowadays.
It does seem though that if you are "doing good" then you can always claim anything negative against you is a "deep state" attack or something similar.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:27 am
If there is one LDS I can think of that represents how we, as a church, have gone a whoring after Babylon, it is Mitt Romney - and the blind LDS support he gets.Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:53 pmThey really do love them some Mittens. And that speaks volumes.The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm
I have no doubt that senate aspersions by Tim, got Q15 shorts in a bunch pretty quickly. They love Romney though.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:36 am
I'm disgusted by Eric Mousos...oh, you talked to two of the alleged victims???? And...you don't think they could possibly be lying through their teeth???kittycat51 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:12 am It's all a hit job on TB. Mitten's son is now supposed to be running for his father's senate seat. The Church is supposedly supporting this. (which they are not supposed to get involved) I'm kind of disappointed in Eric Moutsos, he should know better. The deep state is much more powerful than anyone can realize. Tim exposed them and ruffled their feathers. SO it's just as easy for them to blackmail and pay off these women to lie about Tim. I don't care if they seem "credible". The deep state can make anything seem real. QUESTION EVERYTHING nowadays.
If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing.
"An attorney who said she represents “several” former Operation Underground Railroad employees said Thursday that her clients were “subjected to sexual harassment, spiritual manipulation, grooming and sexual misconduct”
Unidentified accusers???? Spiritual manipulation???? Sexual harassment???? Good Lord, a woman can claim sexual harassment for a guy looking at her these days. What the crap is spiritual manipulation????
The church and Cox are obviously part of the planned take-down and pile-on of Tim Ballard.
I'm not saying Tim is perfect, none of us are...but if the church can't see the greater good of saving trafficked children over unproven anonymous allegations against Tim Ballard...THEY are part of the problem. Shame on Q15!!!
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:40 am
MR, et al, is/are the personification of a Babylonian whore, and the Church is becoming a professional pimp — in every respect. That is all very clear at this point. What is a whole lot less clear is what the actual truth is regarding TB. Definitely more to the equation than meets the eye.Original_Intent wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:27 amIf there is one LDS I can think of that represents how we, as a church, have gone a whoring after Babylon, it is Mitt Romney - and the blind LDS support he gets.Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:53 pmThey really do love them some Mittens. And that speaks volumes.The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:39 pm
I have no doubt that senate aspersions by Tim, got Q15 shorts in a bunch pretty quickly. They love Romney though.
To quote a rare “good” Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg case opinion, “it could not have been more of a railroad job if [the Church] had been Union Pacific.”
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am
I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:00 am
Maybe the church is doing away with FHE now too. Apparently they already did. It’s called family night now instead of family home evening? I don’t know what the difference is. Another name change.Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:04 am
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:08 am
From what I understand OUR obtained enough proof from an outside investigation that they let him go from the organization.The Red Pill wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:36 amI'm disgusted by Eric Mousos...oh, you talked to two of the alleged victims???? And...you don't think they could possibly be lying through their teeth???kittycat51 wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:12 am It's all a hit job on TB. Mitten's son is now supposed to be running for his father's senate seat. The Church is supposedly supporting this. (which they are not supposed to get involved) I'm kind of disappointed in Eric Moutsos, he should know better. The deep state is much more powerful than anyone can realize. Tim exposed them and ruffled their feathers. SO it's just as easy for them to blackmail and pay off these women to lie about Tim. I don't care if they seem "credible". The deep state can make anything seem real. QUESTION EVERYTHING nowadays.
If you understand how these deep state actors do things...these women were probably INTENTIONALLY inserted into Tim's organization years ago...to accomplish what we are now seeing.
"An attorney who said she represents “several” former Operation Underground Railroad employees said Thursday that her clients were “subjected to sexual harassment, spiritual manipulation, grooming and sexual misconduct”
Unidentified accusers???? Spiritual manipulation???? Sexual harassment???? Good Lord, a woman can claim sexual harassment for a guy looking at her these days. What the crap is spiritual manipulation????
The church and Cox are obviously part of the planned take-down and pile-on of Tim Ballard.
I'm not saying Tim is perfect, none of us are...but if the church can't see the greater good of saving trafficked children over unproven anonymous allegations against Tim Ballard...THEY are part of the problem. Shame on Q15!!!
As far as spiritual manipulation my understanding is that he used his relationship with Ballard as having approval for his "missions" and likely the things that went on during them.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:15 am
If the claim is that it was done on Monday night, then I’m thinking this is just a false rumor that John Dehlin ran with. Because I agree - I don’t think it would be done on a Monday night. If it was, it must have been considered an emergency or something.Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:25 am
If they were in a hurry, and seeking to do a summary Railroad job, Monday evening would definitely not be off-limits. It all depends on how motivated they were, and it sounds like they were pretty motivated.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:30 am
John Dehlin is trying to get confirmation from Tim’s bishop and stake president that he was in fact excommunicated. But they aren’t supposed to put that information out, are they?
Also, who did John mean when he said the people who told him this are people who most Mormons would know? Most Mormons would know the quorum of the 12 and the first presidency. And maybe a few others like John Bytheway. Unless he’s only talking about Utah Mormons. Possibly Utahns would know the names of some people that the rest of us wouldn’t.
Also, who did John mean when he said the people who told him this are people who most Mormons would know? Most Mormons would know the quorum of the 12 and the first presidency. And maybe a few others like John Bytheway. Unless he’s only talking about Utah Mormons. Possibly Utahns would know the names of some people that the rest of us wouldn’t.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:32 am
Who knows what “rules” TPTB might be willing to bend in this case?
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:32 am
No, it's supposed to be confidential but anyone in his ward could probably look at the membership list and see his name removed so a member of the ward could probably verify.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:33 am
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:34 am
I think it might take some time for it to take effect in the app though. Not sure. I know people moved out of our ward, but it didn’t show up on the app yet, for me, because I had to sync it or something.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:37 am
Maybe the quorum of the twelve held a disciplinary council on their own, without Tim present. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me.
At this point though, I’m thinking John Dehlin might have just passed along a false rumor.
At this point though, I’m thinking John Dehlin might have just passed along a false rumor.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 11:47 am
I have participated in ones that have been held on Monday evenings. The stake liked that the building was empty and not otherwise used. So, it preferred that day.Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:11 pm
Wow, interesting. Monday nights used to be sacrosanct. Nothing was to be scheduled on Monday night. In our school and political affairs we were urged to have things scheduled for any other night than Monday.ChooseTruth wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:47 amI have participated in ones that have been held on Monday evenings. The stake liked that the building was empty and not otherwise used. So, it preferred that day.Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.
But times change I guess.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:19 pm
I probably am a heathen now, however is Family Home Evening still a thing? I rarely hear anything about it anymore.
With daily scripture study and such I don't think it makes a lot of sense.
My kids like to do fun things on Friday evenings, but we don't start it with a prayer and end it with a fight.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:23 pm
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:29 pm
I don’t know. I never heard the announcement that it was ending.Telavian wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 12:19 pmI probably am a heathen now, however is Family Home Evening still a thing? I rarely hear anything about it anymore.
With daily scripture study and such I don't think it makes a lot of sense.
My kids like to do fun things on Friday evenings, but we don't start it with a prayer and end it with a fight.
I did see a list of names of things the church had changed and it said they had changed FHE to family night. Again, I didn’t realize there had been an official name change. But yeah, I guess they don’t talk about it much anymore. I wonder why. I have great memories of doing it with my family as a kid.
I guess I’m an old fogey now. Sticking to the old ways of doing things.
Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:30 pm
Saw this podcast mentioned on X so I gave it a listen. If the research they’re revealing is true, which I have no reason to believe otherwise, nothing TB has ever said can be believed. The founding of OUR was based on a lie, the missions they went on, though extremely dangerous, were lies. Glenn Beck needs to answer for grifting his listeners for their sacred donations. It’s ALL one giant con!
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Re: Tim Ballard ex’ed
Posted: September 29th, 2023, 12:34 pm
Tim Ballard's wife said that Tim and Elder Ballad's relationship had formed a long time ago, when Elder Ballard was more energetic. Nowadays, she said, many of the Q15 have slowed down and are under medical management. It sounded like a bunch of Joe Biden scenarios. Others may be calling the shots now.