LDS Freedom Forum

Silver Pie wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 6:19 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:11 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:53 am I've never heard of a disciplinary council being held on a Monday evening.

Once upon a time, in the church, Monday evenings were considered strictly for family home evening (FHE) - & no church activities were to be scheduled then.

I don’t remember last time I heard FHE be mentioned in church - been a long time. Seems especially with some GA comments to youth about not needing parents so much, that they think they can parent better than parents.

I remember when FHE was on Thursday - then I think it was on maybe Wed for a while (?) - then they finally settled on Monday. Heck, I can remember when they had books about how to do it, but no set day for it.

Apparently it’s back to no set day. The handbook still mentions a “home evening”, but says it can be a Sunday night or any other night that works for the family. It doesn’t mention Monday night.

Edit: Oh, I’m wrong. It does mention Monday.

“To provide time for families to be together, leaders should keep Monday evenings free from Church meetings and activities.”

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 6:29 pm Apparently it’s back to no set day. The handbook still mentions a “home evening”, but says it can be a Sunday night or any other night that works for the family. It doesn’t mention Monday night.

Interesting. I find that unexpected.

Silver Pie wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 6:31 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 6:29 pm Apparently it’s back to no set day. The handbook still mentions a “home evening”, but says it can be a Sunday night or any other night that works for the family. It doesn’t mention Monday night.

Interesting. I find that unexpected.

I edited my comment. It does say that Monday nights should be kept free from church meetings. So it’s odd if disciplinary councils are held on Monday nights.

Now that I think of it, I remember Denver Snuffer saying on his blog that they made a FHE out of his disciplinary council. Lol

randyps wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 2:43 am Mormons: "OMG! Tim allegedly faked kissing with actress operators and used Russell Ballards name for gain while paying himself CEO money"

The Rest of America: "Whats on Netflix tonight?"

Q15: "Lets Ex-communicate someone this week"

Men : Who is playing football tonight?

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 6:33 pm I edited my comment. It does say that Monday nights should be kept free from church meetings. So it’s odd if disciplinary councils are held on Monday nights.

Interesting. So they haven't changed it.

Now that I think of it, I remember Denver Snuffer saying on his blog that they made a FHE out of his disciplinary council. Lol

That sounds familiar. I'd forgotten about that.

I guess they can have a disciplinary council on any day they want.

Chip wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 11:43 pm I have been telling myself and my friends that the church's behavior is just going to get crazier and crazier, because that is the trajectory they are on. It is going to progressively exceed the boundaries of what we think is possible. I suppose we ain't seen nuttin' yet. Just keep watching and remember this.

Being of the world has it's pitfalls.
We all see the trend of the world and out of the myriad of polarized groups forming, there are two general movements.

The first group is winding up into a frenzy of irrational behavior. This group embodies a very large variety of sub categories. These have been caught in a net , dragging them into oblivion. I think that in a general way, they are feeling panic.

The second group is a very small segment of the population . This group is doing everything possible to remain sane and clear...... amidst the obvious efforts in play to destroy the world.

Ok, so I can't stand listening to Dehlin...
In a comment in the comment section (??!!!!), a family member says TB was excommunicated.
Was there any evidence?
Any comment from TB?
Did Dehlin try to contact TB?
Anyone say anything for sure??

JohnnyL wrote: ↑October 1st, 2023, 5:35 pm Ok, so I can't stand listening to Dehlin...
In a comment in the comment section (??!!!!), a family member says TB was excommunicated.
Was there any evidence?
Any comment from TB?
Did Dehlin try to contact TB?
Anyone say anything for sure??

Good questions but I doubt there will ever be a comment from TB since one of his last statements was that he is a member in good standing and claims he didn't break any covenants.

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Hiker wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 2:13 pm

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I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:06 pm He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

Misery needs company, like a few here in LDSFF that want nothing more then for us happy mormons to be miserable like them.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:06 pm I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

On the gay couple, it sounds like the bishop was going to excommunicate them, but Gerardo (and friends?) talked to bishop or stake Pres. and said , “look, according to the handbook, it’s not required to excommunicate them. So why do you have a vendetta against them?” So he changed his mind, and he decided not to excommunicate them. Weird times. Weird times….

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 4:50 pm On the gay couple, it sounds like the bishop was going to excommunicate them, but Gerardo (and friends?) talked to bishop or stake Pres. and said , “look, according to the handbook, it’s not required to excommunicate them. So why do you have a vendetta against them?” So he changed his mind, and he decided not to excommunicate them. Weird times. Weird times….

Things are flipped certainly. I was disfellowshipped for sharing scriptures in church and saying I didn't want to be a "good global citizen", but a citizen in Christ.

To the best of my knowledge, someone can't just be excommunicated because of the accusations of someone else. The person accused has to come forward and admit the sins. Or I believe they can be excommunicated if in a court of law the person is found guilty, but not sure of that. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

Telavian wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:21 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 4:50 pm On the gay couple, it sounds like the bishop was going to excommunicate them, but Gerardo (and friends?) talked to bishop or stake Pres. and said , “look, according to the handbook, it’s not required to excommunicate them. So why do you have a vendetta against them?” So he changed his mind, and he decided not to excommunicate them. Weird times. Weird times….

Things are flipped certainly. I was disfellowshipped for sharing scriptures in church and saying I didn't want to be a "good global citizen", but a citizen in Christ.

What?!?!?! Seriously ?! That is insane.
Disfellowshipped. So not excommunicated, but you couldn’t take the sacrament or give prayers during church meetings for 6 months or something?

Severus wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:57 pm To the best of my knowledge, someone can't just be excommunicated because of the accusations of someone else. The person accused has to come forward and admit the sins. Or I believe they can be excommunicated if in a court of law the person is found guilty, but not sure of that. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

I’m not sure. I think they were talking about it in the Mormon stories video. Not that you can trust everything they say. But they were saying something about witnesses and in Jehovah’s Witnesses if there are at least 2 witnesses then they can excommunicate them. They did say they thought it was true that Lori Vallow was a member of the church up until her conviction in court.

Edit to add:
Apparently Tim’s new stake president was put in 2 days after the Vice article came out. And then he (probably) exed Tim. This has happened before. They did the same thing with Denver Snuffer. Got a new stake pres. put in who would excommunicate him. The edict came from above. From Russell M. Nelson who was president of the Q12 at the time.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:22 pm

Severus wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:57 pm To the best of my knowledge, someone can't just be excommunicated because of the accusations of someone else. The person accused has to come forward and admit the sins. Or I believe they can be excommunicated if in a court of law the person is found guilty, but not sure of that. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

I’m not sure. I think they were talking about it in the Mormon stories video. Not that you can trust everything they say. But they were saying something about witnesses and in Jehovah’s Witnesses if there are at least 2 witnesses then they can excommunicate them. They did say they thought it was true that Lori Vallow was a member of the church up until her conviction in court.

Edit to add:
Apparently Tim’s new stake president was put in 2 days after the Vice article came out. And then he (probably) exed Tim. This has happened before. They did the same thing with Denver Snuffer. Got a new stake pres. put in who would excommunicate him. The edict came from above. From Russell M. Nelson who was president of the Q12 at the time.

No doubt it came from above and even possibly E Ballard himself.

spiritMan wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:33 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:22 pm

Severus wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 5:57 pm To the best of my knowledge, someone can't just be excommunicated because of the accusations of someone else. The person accused has to come forward and admit the sins. Or I believe they can be excommunicated if in a court of law the person is found guilty, but not sure of that. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

I’m not sure. I think they were talking about it in the Mormon stories video. Not that you can trust everything they say. But they were saying something about witnesses and in Jehovah’s Witnesses if there are at least 2 witnesses then they can excommunicate them. They did say they thought it was true that Lori Vallow was a member of the church up until her conviction in court.

Edit to add:
Apparently Tim’s new stake president was put in 2 days after the Vice article came out. And then he (probably) exed Tim. This has happened before. They did the same thing with Denver Snuffer. Got a new stake pres. put in who would excommunicate him. The edict came from above. From Russell M. Nelson who was president of the Q12 at the time.

No doubt it came from above and even possibly E Ballard himself.

Yeah, very well could be since he’s the acting president of the 12 and he knew Tim personally.

1) I doubt M. Russell Ballard was involved with anything having to do with this. Listening to him yesterday or the last few conferences leads me to think he may not even be aware of this hubbub.

2) I really don't like Dehlin "reaching out" to a bishop and getting a screen shot of a confidential family record, even if it's been blacked out. Unless it was Ballard's actual bishop, or a stake presidency member or stake clerk (or ward clerk on Ballard's own ward), it wouldn't be possible for some bishop somewhere to get this, either, so I still think Dehlin is making this up and fabricating.

The irony is not lost on me that Dehlin's fellow travelers went absolutely bananas when Daniel Peterson referred to CDOL to prove that a claim that an apostate currently serving bishop had been in his tour group was false (he checked all names from that group in CDOL and none were bishops at the time). Oh, the pearl clutching about abusing confidential records, and he didn't screen shot anything. But Dehlin ostensibly posting the Ballard family record showing his wife as head if household now, well, that's fine?

It’s all lame. Any bishop who might actually share such records under such circumstances ought to be released.

What is Dehlin, the Alex Jones/Infowars equivalent of the Mormon world?

The whole thing, top to bottom, and start to finish, makes a mockery of a religious institution that many of us believed for years was actually led by God and had some integrity. This just adds to the myriad of ways we have learned it just doesn’t add up. Actions speak louder than words. It’s now on par with modern corporate/ political/media drama fests. And, it’s hard to imagine that God would want anything to do with any of it.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:19 pm What?!?!?! Seriously ?! That is insane.
Disfellowshipped. So not excommunicated, but you couldn’t take the sacrament or give prayers during church meetings for 6 months or something?

Forever I guess. I have to answer all the temple recommend questions. my SP said, which I refuse to do.
I shouldn't have to pledge allegiance to the current leaders in order to come back into the church.

I just had someone I know ask someone in Tim's ward if he is exed. This person said NO and that it's all lies due to the senate plans. That person would not confirm what is in LDS tools even though it was part of the question. Maybe they just disfellowshipped him. If they did anything that seems more likely because nothing would change in lds tools. Nothing from Tim on his even though he was very vocal about being in good standing a short time ago. Also just disfellowshipping might give the church more leverage than exing if they needed that for some reason.

Telavian wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 8:52 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 6:19 pm What?!?!?! Seriously ?! That is insane.
Disfellowshipped. So not excommunicated, but you couldn’t take the sacrament or give prayers during church meetings for 6 months or something?

Forever I guess. I have to answer all the temple recommend questions. my SP said, which I refuse to do.
I shouldn't have to pledge allegiance to the current leaders in order to come back into the church.

This will do us in.

My husband and I know we will lose our temple recommends next time they ask. But we don't use it anyway right now, so that won't change. Maybe they'll finally fire me from teaching Sunday school.

I don't look forward to it, but it is what God warned me about some time ago. I am not to leave, but they will probably kick me out.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2023, 3:06 pm I’ve been listening to John Dehlin for just a few minutes. But he shared this, and also a statement from Tim’s wife saying they are in contact with their ecclesiastical leaders and are keeping it confidential.

He’s probably exed. It’s sad. I wonder why John D. is so interested in it. I guess for something to talk about and for the views.

ALSO
His guest on the show , Gerardo said something about he had on his show a gay married couple who were members of the church. They had a disciplinary council and the decision was to withdraw their membership. However someone somewhere stopped that from happening. I’m not sure who. The stake president? Or the first presidency? But that’s huge. So gay married couples are okay in the church now?

Bishop's no longer handle issues of excommunication .... those get bumped up to stake presidents/high councils.