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Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 4:40 pm Small potatoes.

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 5:34 pm I'm sorry, but I just have to snicker about this. What happened to the vaunted and much touted "discernment" that the Church leaders are supposed to have? This isn't supposed to be possible. "Prophets, seers, and revelators?" Really? What do they prophesy? What do they see? (Obviously not a pedophile with an apostle for a grandfather) What do they reveal?

...one felony charge of abusing a child between 2004 and 2013.

One victim, now 19, told police about abuse spanning several years...

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 5:34 pm I'm sorry, but I just have to snicker about this. What happened to the vaunted and much touted "discernment" that the Church leaders are supposed to have? This isn't supposed to be possible. "Prophets, seers, and revelators?" Really? What do they prophesy? What do they see? (Obviously not a pedophile with an apostle for a grandfather) What do they reveal?

Ado wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 7:31 pm He's bruce r mcconckie's grandson. probably given special favor for that reason. Oddly enough, I grew up in that very stake. When my mom went to the bishop about my grandpa's sexual advances towards her, he was called into the office and made a high priest.

Ado wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 7:31 pm He's bruce r mcconckie's grandson. probably given special favor for that reason. Oddly enough, I grew up in that very stake. When my mom went to the bishop about my grandpa's sexual advances towards her, he was called into the office and made a high priest.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:01 pm Eventually coincidences become patterns, then they are no longer coincidences but proof.

How much more proof is needed?

The corruption has become a feature, not a bug to those corrupt individuals in charge.

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 4:16 pm Child sex abuser David McConkie confessed to Child Abuse in 2008. Not only did the priesthood leader not report McConkie to the police, the Church later made him a stake president in 2016 while knowing from his own mouth that he was a child molester.

Why is it that every story about the Church lately gets worse the more you know? Pointing out the wrongdoing of the Church right now is like getting wet in a rainstorm--it's nearly impossible to avoid unless you're shielding yourself from it.

BigFootCain wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 7:57 am Whoah, thanks for finding that info and sharing that article. It angers and saddens me to see what the Church I once was a true believer in has become.

I am not trying to play devil's advocate here, cause I'm furious about this, but would the person McConkie confessed to have made a record somewhere on McConkie's church record so that the Church would know later on that he had committed an "inappropriate sexual act with a child". Or would the person that called him to be a Stake President have had no knowledge that McConkie had confessed to such a thing?

I realize the article said that "The police document did not say what steps, if any, the person McConkie confessed to taking. The name of the person he confessed to was redacted in the documents." and that the person he confessed to might not have even made a notation of it or reported it. But is there something that is usually done with people that abuse children so their records indicate that they had done such a thing in the past, even if they had supposedly repented of it?

I don't have rose colored glasses on with the church at all. I'm just wondering if the person who called him to be stake president had any knowledge of his past. But then again, God knew, and isn't God supposedly the one calling these people in the first place? Apparently not.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 1:57 am

BigFootCain wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 7:57 am Whoah, thanks for finding that info and sharing that article. It angers and saddens me to see what the Church I once was a true believer in has become.

I am not trying to play devil's advocate here, cause I'm furious about this, but would the person McConkie confessed to have made a record somewhere on McConkie's church record so that the Church would know later on that he had committed an "inappropriate sexual act with a child". Or would the person that called him to be a Stake President have had no knowledge that McConkie had confessed to such a thing?

I realize the article said that "The police document did not say what steps, if any, the person McConkie confessed to taking. The name of the person he confessed to was redacted in the documents." and that the person he confessed to might not have even made a notation of it or reported it. But is there something that is usually done with people that abuse children so their records indicate that they had done such a thing in the past, even if they had supposedly repented of it?

I don't have rose colored glasses on with the church at all. I'm just wondering if the person who called him to be stake president had any knowledge of his past. But then again, God knew, and isn't God supposedly the one calling these people in the first place? Apparently not.

Given that McConkie was a Melchizedek priesthood holder at the time, the Bishop would have had to push it up to the Stake President, as the bishop has no authority to deal with it.
So either he didn't pass it up to the SP, or he did and the SP sat on it. Either way, someone dropped the ball big time.

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:19 pm

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 28th, 2023, 10:01 pm Eventually coincidences become patterns, then they are no longer coincidences but proof.

How much more proof is needed?

The corruption has become a feature, not a bug to those corrupt individuals in charge.

so what is the corruption here. You made the claim and the patterns. Tell me what the LDS leaders did wrong here? I'm not saying they didn't but I haven't seen any evidence other than a statement that at some time he confessed to something and apparently that something was not recorded or passed on later? I don't see anyone supporting or discussing his confession. I didn't read of a complaint or injured person at the time. I see someone making claims 10 years later but not the same person as 2008 would have been 15 years ago. Doesn't add up here. BTW I'm not saying he is innocent. I'm asking what "proof" you have that we would need more? Perhaps one bishop hearing something and dismissing it? Is that your smoking gun? One (or maybe you yank out 2-5 more bishops) of how many? lets see 55,000 at a time by 15 years for this case for 5 years per bishop................170,000. If you have 5 of 170000 you have 2.9 x 10-5. Insignificant fraction. Hell you have a pretty powerful smoking gun of obvious high level corruption here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑September 27th, 2023, 5:34 pm I'm sorry, but I just have to snicker about this. What happened to the vaunted and much touted "discernment" that the Church leaders are supposed to have? This isn't supposed to be possible. "Prophets, seers, and revelators?" Really? What do they prophesy? What do they see? (Obviously not a pedophile with an apostle for a grandfather) What do they reveal?

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 6:51 am
“Tell me what the LDS leaders did wrong here?” Really??!! Really, Duke. A man confessed to being a pedophile and a religious leader did NOTHING. The police know (through whatever means) that he confessed. They know the name of the man he confessed to. The person who was abused was a CHILD. Holy hell man, wake the heck up. This man should have received capital punishment for the crime committed. He should have been hung. A millstone was the least of his worries. And what happened? He was promoted to stake president.

You should be incensed at what happened. Even the small amount of details should be sufficient to know that he is guilty. He confessed to the crime.

What if he had committed this “sexual act” with your 9 yr old daughter. How would you feel about that?

He ******* with the body and mind of a child for his own sexual gratification.

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:40 am ok, you've got the link show the facts! Show where and what he confessed! Show it! There is some mealy mouth words about "inappropriate" there is nothing of confessing to being a pedo. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't maybe he confessed to feeling a 16 y/o girl on a campout looked sexy and he felt guilty. You don't have any evidence. there are not facts here NONE. Just vague statements.

I've never claimed anything either way. What I see is YOU and others like you jumping on every bandwagon that is Anti-LDS w/o evidence and claiming "proof positive". so, then show me! Prove me wrong, just show some evidence. and make the facts make sense (2008, 19 in 2023, etc....) simple math (sorry simple arithmetic, math not required) for ages and dates and stuff. Then I'll accept you statement.

Next, if he did, you have no evidence of what the bishop did or didn't do? NONE. not one shred. you don't know how it was handled or not handled. Again, you're jumping the shark, and that ain't of the holy spirit my friend. that is how Satan works, and how the rest of you liberals and woke folks work. Kind of tired of all this woke sh.....t where you can say or do anything w/o evidence to make a point of woke culture. Even when the wokeness is perceived as good.