LDS Freedom Forum

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:17 am

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:40 am ok, you've got the link show the facts! Show where and what he confessed! Show it! There is some mealy mouth words about "inappropriate" there is nothing of confessing to being a pedo. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't maybe he confessed to feeling a 16 y/o girl on a campout looked sexy and he felt guilty. You don't have any evidence. there are not facts here NONE. Just vague statements.

I've never claimed anything either way. What I see is YOU and others like you jumping on every bandwagon that is Anti-LDS w/o evidence and claiming "proof positive". so, then show me! Prove me wrong, just show some evidence. and make the facts make sense (2008, 19 in 2023, etc....) simple math (sorry simple arithmetic, math not required) for ages and dates and stuff. Then I'll accept you statement.

Next, if he did, you have no evidence of what the bishop did or didn't do? NONE. not one shred. you don't know how it was handled or not handled. Again, you're jumping the shark, and that ain't of the holy spirit my friend. that is how Satan works, and how the rest of you liberals and woke folks work. Kind of tired of all this woke sh.....t where you can say or do anything w/o evidence to make a point of woke culture. Even when the wokeness is perceived as good.

From the OP article:

"The affidavit also said McConkie confessed an inappropriate sexual act with a child to a church leader in 2008. The person who spoke with police about the confession said he was shocked but he did not ask many clarifying details about it.

The police document did not say what steps, if any, the person McConkie confessed to taking. The name of the person he confessed to was redacted in the documents."

What the heck do you think "inappropriate sexual act" means? ANY sexual act with a child means he's a pedophile!! Send a dick pic to a child, you go to jail. Have an inappropriate sexual discussion in any format (verbal or online) with a child under 18... you get arrested. You are designated a pedophile.

I'm appalled at how you seemingly defend the church in what they did and the policies they have in place. A church leader screwed up and didn't report a sexual predator. I don't care who you are, when a man confesses to a sexual act with a child, you report the bastard. Then you do all you can to make sure the child is cared for, for the rest of the life if needed. No expense spared.

And Duke, we KNOW that it was not "handled" correctly. He should have been charged with sexual crimes against a minor. In NO WAY should he have EVER been allowed near a child in ANY church capacity.

So I ask you again, what if this was your 9 yr old daughter with whom this man committed a "sexual act"? How would you treat him?

Also, if you consider calling out poor policies and a lackadaisical response to sexual abusers "anti-LDS", so be it. Yes, the church sucks major in this department.

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 4:03 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:17 am

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 10:40 am ok, you've got the link show the facts! Show where and what he confessed! Show it! There is some mealy mouth words about "inappropriate" there is nothing of confessing to being a pedo. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't maybe he confessed to feeling a 16 y/o girl on a campout looked sexy and he felt guilty. You don't have any evidence. there are not facts here NONE. Just vague statements.

I've never claimed anything either way. What I see is YOU and others like you jumping on every bandwagon that is Anti-LDS w/o evidence and claiming "proof positive". so, then show me! Prove me wrong, just show some evidence. and make the facts make sense (2008, 19 in 2023, etc....) simple math (sorry simple arithmetic, math not required) for ages and dates and stuff. Then I'll accept you statement.

Next, if he did, you have no evidence of what the bishop did or didn't do? NONE. not one shred. you don't know how it was handled or not handled. Again, you're jumping the shark, and that ain't of the holy spirit my friend. that is how Satan works, and how the rest of you liberals and woke folks work. Kind of tired of all this woke sh.....t where you can say or do anything w/o evidence to make a point of woke culture. Even when the wokeness is perceived as good.

From the OP article:

"The affidavit also said McConkie confessed an inappropriate sexual act with a child to a church leader in 2008. The person who spoke with police about the confession said he was shocked but he did not ask many clarifying details about it.

The police document did not say what steps, if any, the person McConkie confessed to taking. The name of the person he confessed to was redacted in the documents."

What the heck do you think "inappropriate sexual act" means? ANY sexual act with a child means he's a pedophile!! Send a dick pic to a child, you go to jail. Have an inappropriate sexual discussion in any format (verbal or online) with a child under 18... you get arrested. You are designated a pedophile.

I'm appalled at how you seemingly defend the church in what they did and the policies they have in place. A church leader screwed up and didn't report a sexual predator. I don't care who you are, when a man confesses to a sexual act with a child, you report the bastard. Then you do all you can to make sure the child is cared for, for the rest of the life if needed. No expense spared.

And Duke, we KNOW that it was not "handled" correctly. He should have been charged with sexual crimes against a minor. In NO WAY should he have EVER been allowed near a child in ANY church capacity.

So I ask you again, what if this was your 9 yr old daughter with whom this man committed a "sexual act"? How would you treat him?

Also, if you consider calling out poor policies and a lackadaisical response to sexual abusers "anti-LDS", so be it. Yes, the church sucks major in this department.

THANK YOU! for showing my statements were accurate! I don't know what he did or didn't do. Neither do you Mr, Judge and Jury. I also didn't say I supported anything he did. You don't know anything more than some rumored and unsupported claim, one that doesn't add up with the current charges. I'm NOT defending him or the church or anyone. I'm just not making statements like you with NO evidence! NONE. You don't know if the church investigated and found nothing or if they did nothing or if it didn't actually occur or if they turned him over to the police and they found nothing! You just don't know, its a one-liner written by a third party out on the hunt, like you to make waves.

you are APALLED at my comments? Which comments? I have taken no sides! I simply said their is no evidence provided at all, not to make a public hanging nor a public acquittal. Neither. but you have a superior intellect and can conjure the facts out of the air it seems! You always do, I've brought up numerous fallacious logic flows, always to destroy the church by innuendos, never to defend it. No open balance. Got to go, feeling ill now.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 6:58 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 4:03 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 29th, 2023, 11:17 am
From the OP article:

"The affidavit also said McConkie confessed an inappropriate sexual act with a child to a church leader in 2008. The person who spoke with police about the confession said he was shocked but he did not ask many clarifying details about it.

The police document did not say what steps, if any, the person McConkie confessed to taking. The name of the person he confessed to was redacted in the documents."

What the heck do you think "inappropriate sexual act" means? ANY sexual act with a child means he's a pedophile!! Send a dick pic to a child, you go to jail. Have an inappropriate sexual discussion in any format (verbal or online) with a child under 18... you get arrested. You are designated a pedophile.

I'm appalled at how you seemingly defend the church in what they did and the policies they have in place. A church leader screwed up and didn't report a sexual predator. I don't care who you are, when a man confesses to a sexual act with a child, you report the bastard. Then you do all you can to make sure the child is cared for, for the rest of the life if needed. No expense spared.

And Duke, we KNOW that it was not "handled" correctly. He should have been charged with sexual crimes against a minor. In NO WAY should he have EVER been allowed near a child in ANY church capacity.

So I ask you again, what if this was your 9 yr old daughter with whom this man committed a "sexual act"? How would you treat him?

Also, if you consider calling out poor policies and a lackadaisical response to sexual abusers "anti-LDS", so be it. Yes, the church sucks major in this department.

THANK YOU! for showing my statements were accurate! I don't know what he did or didn't do. Neither do you Mr, Judge and Jury. I also didn't say I supported anything he did. You don't know anything more than some rumored and unsupported claim, one that doesn't add up with the current charges. I'm NOT defending him or the church or anyone. I'm just not making statements like you with NO evidence! NONE. You don't know if the church investigated and found nothing or if they did nothing or if it didn't actually occur or if they turned him over to the police and they found nothing! You just don't know, its a one-liner written by a third party out on the hunt, like you to make waves.

you are APALLED at my comments? Which comments? I have taken no sides! I simply said their is no evidence provided at all, not to make a public hanging nor a public acquittal. Neither. but you have a superior intellect and can conjure the facts out of the air it seems! You always do, I've brought up numerous fallacious logic flows, always to destroy the church by innuendos, never to defend it. No open balance. Got to go, feeling ill now.

Confessing to sexual assault of a child is “evidence.” What do you want, a rape kit?

TheDuke wrote: ↑September 30th, 2023, 10:08 am
that is correct, such evidence would be acceptable. My point is you don't have it or have not provided it. You have 15 year old comment with no details. There is no "assault" mentioned or that children were involved or what was said or done. Just a 3 party, heresay, about some bishop's private business. BTW where did the reporter get the private bishop's conversation or just the heresay?

Again, I'm not saying anything happened or didn't this isn't about McConkie. This is about your jumping on the bandwagon with no more evidence than the January 6 committee. It is about evil intent not any facts. Hurt pride blinding your perceptions. I'm sorry for you.