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Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 4:15 pm
by Luke
Daily reminder that God will NEVER do away with Plural Marriage.

“My son John, you have asked me concerning the New and Everlasting Covenant and how far it is binding upon my people; thus saith the Lord. All commandments that I give must be obeyed by those calling themselves by my name, unless they are revoked by me or by my authority, and how can I revoke an everlasting covenant, for I the Lord am everlasting and my everlasting covenants cannot be abrogated nor done away with, but they stand forever. Have I not given my word in great plainness on this subject? Yet have not great numbers of my people been negligent in the observance of my law and the keeping of my commandments, and yet have I borne with them these many years; and this because of their weakness because of the perilous times, and furthermore it is more pleasing to me that men should use their free agency in regard to these matters. Nevertheless, I the Lord do not change and my word and my covenants and my law do not, and as I have heretofore said by my servant Joseph: All those who would enter into my glory must and shall obey my law. And have I not commanded men that if they were Abraham's seed and would enter into my glory, they must do the works of Abraham? I have not revoked this law, nor will I, for it is everlasting, and those who will enter into my glory must obey the conditions thereof; even so Amen.”

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm
by Rumpelstiltskin
Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 6:22 pm
by JLHPROF
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?
What makes you think he didn't?

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 6:24 pm
by Rumpelstiltskin
JLHPROF wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:22 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?
What makes you think he didn't?
We'll, the fact that it was revoked kinda gives us a clue.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 6:30 pm
by JLHPROF
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:24 pm
JLHPROF wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:22 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?
What makes you think he didn't?
We'll, the fact that it was revoked kinda gives us a clue.
Please, show me where it was revoked by God.
I can see a press release recommending against it but no instruction from God that it was revoked. Most of the general authorities at that time ignored it.

And even if it were, there's still D&C 58:32
I command and men obey not; I revoke and they receive not the blessing.

If God revoked it we lost blessings.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 6:42 pm
by Arm Chair Quarterback
JLHPROF wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:24 pm
JLHPROF wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:22 pm

What makes you think he didn't?
We'll, the fact that it was revoked kinda gives us a clue.
Please, show me where it was revoked by God.
I can see a press release recommending against it but no instruction from God that it was revoked. Most of the general authorities at that time ignored it.

And even if it were, there's still D&C 58:32
I command and men obey not; I revoke and they receive not the blessing.

If God revoked it we lost blessings.
Twisting In the wind. Fitting square pegs into round holes. Hoping beyond hope that these fraudulent practices are somehow ordained by god and not fabricated by men. I feel like I’m in one of those nazi train cattle cars with a thousand other Jews headed for Auschwitz and people keep saying "everything is okay".

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:20 am
by Luke
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?
He didn’t. The Church gave it up, contrary to God’s will. And they eventually lost the keys. That principle has been preserved down to our very day.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 4:56 am
by Robin Hood
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 27th, 2023, 5:38 pm Nope. If this was true, then why was it revoked? Wouldn't God have provided a way to preserve it despite the government if he actually commanded it?
There are those who claim he did, hence the birth of Fundamentalism.
Additionally, it seems clear to me that God never revoked it. The leaders of the church and the members were fatigued by the constant federal persecution of the Saints and just wanted to live without fear.
Therefore the church took the decision to issue the Manifesto.
It is also true that the leadership thought they could still wink at plural marriage and continue with the principle following the Manifesto.
The revocation came some time later.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 8:58 am
by Shawn Henry
"And this shall be a law unto you, that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me."

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 9:16 am
by Telavian
JLHPROF wrote: September 27th, 2023, 6:30 pm Please, show me where it was revoked by God.
I can see a press release recommending against it but no instruction from God that it was revoked. Most of the general authorities at that time ignored it.
This seriously is lacking even a shred of intellectual thought.

Start practicing polygamy openly and see what happens with your standing in the LDS church.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 9:18 am
by Telavian
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:20 am He didn’t. The Church gave it up, contrary to God’s will. And they eventually lost the keys. That principle has been preserved down to our very day.
You are accepting one "revelation" to start polygamy and ignoring another "revelation" to stop polygamy. You are literally picking and choosing what you want to be true and that is not how it works.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 10:27 am
by Luke
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 9:18 am
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:20 am He didn’t. The Church gave it up, contrary to God’s will. And they eventually lost the keys. That principle has been preserved down to our very day.
You are accepting one "revelation" to start polygamy and ignoring another "revelation" to stop polygamy. You are literally picking and choosing what you want to be true and that is not how it works.
Let’s see this revelation stopping polygamy then.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 10:59 am
by Telavian
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 10:27 am Let’s see this revelation stopping polygamy then.
Lets see the revelation starting it.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 11:09 am
by ransomme
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 10:59 am
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 10:27 am Let’s see this revelation stopping polygamy then.
Lets see the revelation starting it.
here it is

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 11:14 am
by BringerOfJoy
Daily reminder that there were some fascinating familiar spirits hanging around Utah back in the day. (And continuing today).

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 11:22 am
by Telavian
ransomme wrote: September 28th, 2023, 11:09 am here it is
I was expecting a revelation not an account that has 4 different versions.

I actually wrote about that specific passage.

https://uncorrelatedmormonism.com/most- ... uspicious/

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 11:40 am
by ransomme
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 11:22 am
ransomme wrote: September 28th, 2023, 11:09 am here it is
I was expecting a revelation not an account that has 4 different versions.

I actually wrote about that specific passage.

https://uncorrelatedmormonism.com/most- ... uspicious/
but, but section 132 is legit despite the obvious manipulation and doctrinal errors.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 1:20 pm
by Luke
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 10:59 am
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 10:27 am Let’s see this revelation stopping polygamy then.
Lets see the revelation starting it.
Now you’re backtracking because you know you have no evidence of a revelation ending polygamy—thus you can’t claim that I’m being inconsistent and picking and choosing what I want to believe.

There literally was no revelation ending plural marriage. The 1890 Manifesto was not a revelation—as admitted in the leaders’ own journals and private meetings. It was a political ruse (though still a major error). It was only much later when polygamy was actually ended in the Church, and the only revelation they use to justify this is… you guessed it… the Manifesto.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:01 pm
by Telavian
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 1:20 pm Now you’re backtracking because you know you have no evidence of a revelation ending polygamy—thus you can’t claim that I’m being inconsistent and picking and choosing what I want to believe.

There literally was no revelation ending plural marriage. The 1890 Manifesto was not a revelation—as admitted in the leaders’ own journals and private meetings. It was a political ruse (though still a major error). It was only much later when polygamy was actually ended in the Church, and the only revelation they use to justify this is… you guessed it… the Manifesto.
No it seems your being inconsistent. You claim random quotes from Joseph are revelations. So why can't random quotes from Wilford Woodruff also be revelations?

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:22 pm
by Luke
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:01 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 1:20 pm Now you’re backtracking because you know you have no evidence of a revelation ending polygamy—thus you can’t claim that I’m being inconsistent and picking and choosing what I want to believe.

There literally was no revelation ending plural marriage. The 1890 Manifesto was not a revelation—as admitted in the leaders’ own journals and private meetings. It was a political ruse (though still a major error). It was only much later when polygamy was actually ended in the Church, and the only revelation they use to justify this is… you guessed it… the Manifesto.
No it seems your being inconsistent. You claim random quotes from Joseph are revelations. So why can't random quotes from Wilford Woodruff also be revelations?
I never said "random quotes from Joseph are revelations".

Did you not read the OP? God gave John Taylor a revelation saying that Plural Marriage would NEVER be done away with. And there's plenty more witnesses to that fact: viewtopic.php?p=1276632#p1276632

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:37 pm
by Robin Hood
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:22 pm
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:01 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 1:20 pm Now you’re backtracking because you know you have no evidence of a revelation ending polygamy—thus you can’t claim that I’m being inconsistent and picking and choosing what I want to believe.

There literally was no revelation ending plural marriage. The 1890 Manifesto was not a revelation—as admitted in the leaders’ own journals and private meetings. It was a political ruse (though still a major error). It was only much later when polygamy was actually ended in the Church, and the only revelation they use to justify this is… you guessed it… the Manifesto.
No it seems your being inconsistent. You claim random quotes from Joseph are revelations. So why can't random quotes from Wilford Woodruff also be revelations?
I never said "random quotes from Joseph are revelations".

Did you not read the OP? God gave John Taylor a revelation saying that Plural Marriage would NEVER be done away with. And there's plenty more witnesses to that fact: viewtopic.php?p=1276632#p1276632
Am I right in thinking Wilford Woodruff also received a revelation telling him not to give up plural marriage in the face of persecution?

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:43 pm
by Luke
Robin Hood wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:37 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:22 pm
Telavian wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:01 pm

No it seems your being inconsistent. You claim random quotes from Joseph are revelations. So why can't random quotes from Wilford Woodruff also be revelations?
I never said "random quotes from Joseph are revelations".

Did you not read the OP? God gave John Taylor a revelation saying that Plural Marriage would NEVER be done away with. And there's plenty more witnesses to that fact: viewtopic.php?p=1276632#p1276632
Am I right in thinking Wilford Woodruff also received a revelation telling him not to give up plural marriage in the face of persecution?
Yes, in November 1889.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:56 pm
by Robin Hood
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:43 pm
Robin Hood wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:37 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:22 pm

I never said "random quotes from Joseph are revelations".

Did you not read the OP? God gave John Taylor a revelation saying that Plural Marriage would NEVER be done away with. And there's plenty more witnesses to that fact: viewtopic.php?p=1276632#p1276632
Am I right in thinking Wilford Woodruff also received a revelation telling him not to give up plural marriage in the face of persecution?
Yes, in November 1889.
Can you post it?
I think it would inform the discussion.

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 3:01 pm
by Luke
Robin Hood wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:56 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:43 pm
Robin Hood wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:37 pm

Am I right in thinking Wilford Woodruff also received a revelation telling him not to give up plural marriage in the face of persecution?
Yes, in November 1889.
Can you post it?
I think it would inform the discussion.
“24 Sunday I was some better this Morning. I went to Ovando Beebe & found him quite sick with the Lumbago. We administered to him. I Attended A meeting with the Lawyiers at the Gardo in the Evening. They wanted me to Make some Concessin to Court upon Poligamy & other Points and I spent Several Hours alone & Enquired of the Lord and received the following:
Revelation given to Wilford Woodruff, Sunday Nov 24, 1889. Thus Saith the Lord, to my Servant Wilford, I the Lord have heard thy prayers and thy request, and will answer thee by the voice of my spirit. Thus Saith the Lord, unto my Servants the Presidency of my church, who hold the Keys of the Kingdom of God on this earth. I the Lord hold the destiny of the courts in your midst, and the destiny of this nation, and all other nations of the earth in mine own hands, and all that I have revealed, and promised and decreed concerning the generation in which you live, shall come to pass, and no power shall stay my hand.
Let not my servants who are called to the Presidency of my church, deny my word or my law, which concerns the salvation of the children of men. Let them pray for the Holy Spirit, which shall be given them to guide them in their acts. Place not yourselves in jeopardy to your enemies by promise. Your enemies seek your distruction and the distruction of my people. If the Saints will hearken unto my voice, and the counsel of my Servants, the wicked shall not prevail.
Let my servants, who officiate as your counselors before the courts, make their pleadings as they are moved upon by the Holy spirit, without any further pledges from the Priesthood.*** I the Lord will hold the courts, with the officers of government, and the nation responsible for their acts towards the inhabitants of Zion.
I, Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, am in your midst. I am your advocate with the Father. Fear not little flock, it is your father’s good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. Fear not the wicked and ungodly. Search the Scriptures, for they are they which testify of me, also those revelations which I have given to my servant Joseph, and to all my servants since the world began, which are recorded in the records of divine truths. Those revelations contain the judgments of God which are to be poured out upon all nations under the heavens which include great Babylon.
These judgments are at the door. They will be fulfilled as God lives. Leave judgment with me, it is mine saith the Lord. Watch the signs of the times, and they will show the fulfillment of the words of the Lord.
Let my servants call upon the Lord in mighty prayer, retain the Holy Ghost as your constant companion, and act as you are moved upon by that spirit, and all will be well with you. The wicked are fast ripening in iniquity, and they will be cut off by the judgments of God. Great events await you and this generation, and are nigh at your doors. Awake, O, Israel, and have faith in God, and His promises, and he will not forsake you. I the Lord will deliver my Saints from the dominion of the wicked, in mine own due time and way. I cannot deny my word, neither in blessing nor judgments. Therefore let mine Anointed gird up their loins, watch and be sober, and keep my commandments. Pray always and faint not, exercise faith in the Lord and in the promises of God; be valient in the testimony of Jesus Christ. The eyes of the Lord and the Heavenly Hosts are watching over you and your acts. Therefore be faithful until I come. I come quickly to reward every man according to the deeds done in the body. Even so, amen.” (Wilford Woodruff, Journal, 24 November 1889, CHL)

*** The transcription of this revelation in the diary of L. John Nuttall includes the words “and they shall be justified” at the end of this sentence (L. John Nuttall, Diary, 27 November 1889, HBLL).

Two contemporary journal entries concerning how the revelation was received and understood by the Brethren:

“Bro. Young felt it will be a proper time to state in Court that instructions have been given by the Presidency that no more plural marriages shall be solemnized, etc. Pres. Cannon was not in favor of such action and said that Pres. Woodruff was the only one to decide that. Bro. Young suggested that to have time to see Pres. Woodruff, the attorneys should ask to have the case continued till Monday morning. This was approved and it was proposed that Bro. Young see Pres. Woodruff tomorrow. . . . Bro. D. R. Bateman called for me with a buggy this evening and took me to the Gardo House. I found Pres. Woodruff there. He with Pres. George Q. Cannon had met this afternoon with Bro. John W. Young, LeGrand Young, Jas. H. Moyle and R. W. Young to consider the matters as presented and talked upon yesterday, and the question was left with Pres. Woodruff to decide. The President told me of this and said that he had made the subject a matter of prayer and by the voice of the spirit he was directed to write, after he had concluded writing which he was doing when I arrived. He asked me to copy a revelation which he had received—I did so. Having heard Bro. J. W. Young’s reasoning, I felt very much worked up in my feelings for I did not feel that as a Church we could assume the position in regard to Celestial Marriage which he seemed to desire should be taken, and when Pres. Woodruff commenced talking to me this evening I felt that he had become converted and actually trembled, for I know such had not been Pres. Woodruff’s feelings before, but as I wrote at his dictation, I felt better all the time and when completed I felt as light and joyous as it is possible to feel, for I was satisfied that Pres. Woodruff had received the word of the Lord. When Pres. Jos. F. Smith returned and read the revelation he was moved to tears and expressed his approval and acceptance of the word of the Lord to His Servants and Saints. We all felt well and thankful to the Lord.” (L. John Nuttall, Diary, 23 and 24 November 1889, HBLL)

“During our meeting a revelation was read which Pres. Woodruff received Sunday evening, Nov. 24th. Propositions had been made for the Church to make some concessions to the Courts in regard to its principles. Both of Pres. Woodruff’s counselors refused to advise him as to the course he should pursue, and he therefore laid the matter before the Lord. The answer came quick and strong. The word of the Lord was for us not to yield one particle of that which He had revealed and established. He had done and would continue to care for His work and those of the Saints who were faithful and we need have no fear of our enemies when we were in the line of our duty. We are promised redemption and deliverance if we will trust in God and not in the arm of flesh. We were admonished to read and study the Word of God, and to pray often. The whole revelation was filled with words of the greatest encouragement and comfort, and my heart was filled with joy and peace during the entire reading. It sets all doubts at rest concerning the course to pursue.” (Abraham H. Cannon, Diary, 19 December 1889, HBLL)

Re: Happy 1886 Revelation Day

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 4:16 pm
by Robin Hood
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 3:01 pm
Robin Hood wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:56 pm
Luke wrote: September 28th, 2023, 2:43 pm

Yes, in November 1889.
Can you post it?
I think it would inform the discussion.
“24 Sunday I was some better this Morning. I went to Ovando Beebe & found him quite sick with the Lumbago. We administered to him. I Attended A meeting with the Lawyiers at the Gardo in the Evening. They wanted me to Make some Concessin to Court upon Poligamy & other Points and I spent Several Hours alone & Enquired of the Lord and received the following:
Revelation given to Wilford Woodruff, Sunday Nov 24, 1889. Thus Saith the Lord, to my Servant Wilford, I the Lord have heard thy prayers and thy request, and will answer thee by the voice of my spirit. Thus Saith the Lord, unto my Servants the Presidency of my church, who hold the Keys of the Kingdom of God on this earth. I the Lord hold the destiny of the courts in your midst, and the destiny of this nation, and all other nations of the earth in mine own hands, and all that I have revealed, and promised and decreed concerning the generation in which you live, shall come to pass, and no power shall stay my hand.
Let not my servants who are called to the Presidency of my church, deny my word or my law, which concerns the salvation of the children of men. Let them pray for the Holy Spirit, which shall be given them to guide them in their acts. Place not yourselves in jeopardy to your enemies by promise. Your enemies seek your distruction and the distruction of my people. If the Saints will hearken unto my voice, and the counsel of my Servants, the wicked shall not prevail.
Let my servants, who officiate as your counselors before the courts, make their pleadings as they are moved upon by the Holy spirit, without any further pledges from the Priesthood.*** I the Lord will hold the courts, with the officers of government, and the nation responsible for their acts towards the inhabitants of Zion.
I, Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, am in your midst. I am your advocate with the Father. Fear not little flock, it is your father’s good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. Fear not the wicked and ungodly. Search the Scriptures, for they are they which testify of me, also those revelations which I have given to my servant Joseph, and to all my servants since the world began, which are recorded in the records of divine truths. Those revelations contain the judgments of God which are to be poured out upon all nations under the heavens which include great Babylon.
These judgments are at the door. They will be fulfilled as God lives. Leave judgment with me, it is mine saith the Lord. Watch the signs of the times, and they will show the fulfillment of the words of the Lord.
Let my servants call upon the Lord in mighty prayer, retain the Holy Ghost as your constant companion, and act as you are moved upon by that spirit, and all will be well with you. The wicked are fast ripening in iniquity, and they will be cut off by the judgments of God. Great events await you and this generation, and are nigh at your doors. Awake, O, Israel, and have faith in God, and His promises, and he will not forsake you. I the Lord will deliver my Saints from the dominion of the wicked, in mine own due time and way. I cannot deny my word, neither in blessing nor judgments. Therefore let mine Anointed gird up their loins, watch and be sober, and keep my commandments. Pray always and faint not, exercise faith in the Lord and in the promises of God; be valient in the testimony of Jesus Christ. The eyes of the Lord and the Heavenly Hosts are watching over you and your acts. Therefore be faithful until I come. I come quickly to reward every man according to the deeds done in the body. Even so, amen.” (Wilford Woodruff, Journal, 24 November 1889, CHL)

*** The transcription of this revelation in the diary of L. John Nuttall includes the words “and they shall be justified” at the end of this sentence (L. John Nuttall, Diary, 27 November 1889, HBLL).

Two contemporary journal entries concerning how the revelation was received and understood by the Brethren:

“Bro. Young felt it will be a proper time to state in Court that instructions have been given by the Presidency that no more plural marriages shall be solemnized, etc. Pres. Cannon was not in favor of such action and said that Pres. Woodruff was the only one to decide that. Bro. Young suggested that to have time to see Pres. Woodruff, the attorneys should ask to have the case continued till Monday morning. This was approved and it was proposed that Bro. Young see Pres. Woodruff tomorrow. . . . Bro. D. R. Bateman called for me with a buggy this evening and took me to the Gardo House. I found Pres. Woodruff there. He with Pres. George Q. Cannon had met this afternoon with Bro. John W. Young, LeGrand Young, Jas. H. Moyle and R. W. Young to consider the matters as presented and talked upon yesterday, and the question was left with Pres. Woodruff to decide. The President told me of this and said that he had made the subject a matter of prayer and by the voice of the spirit he was directed to write, after he had concluded writing which he was doing when I arrived. He asked me to copy a revelation which he had received—I did so. Having heard Bro. J. W. Young’s reasoning, I felt very much worked up in my feelings for I did not feel that as a Church we could assume the position in regard to Celestial Marriage which he seemed to desire should be taken, and when Pres. Woodruff commenced talking to me this evening I felt that he had become converted and actually trembled, for I know such had not been Pres. Woodruff’s feelings before, but as I wrote at his dictation, I felt better all the time and when completed I felt as light and joyous as it is possible to feel, for I was satisfied that Pres. Woodruff had received the word of the Lord. When Pres. Jos. F. Smith returned and read the revelation he was moved to tears and expressed his approval and acceptance of the word of the Lord to His Servants and Saints. We all felt well and thankful to the Lord.” (L. John Nuttall, Diary, 23 and 24 November 1889, HBLL)

“During our meeting a revelation was read which Pres. Woodruff received Sunday evening, Nov. 24th. Propositions had been made for the Church to make some concessions to the Courts in regard to its principles. Both of Pres. Woodruff’s counselors refused to advise him as to the course he should pursue, and he therefore laid the matter before the Lord. The answer came quick and strong. The word of the Lord was for us not to yield one particle of that which He had revealed and established. He had done and would continue to care for His work and those of the Saints who were faithful and we need have no fear of our enemies when we were in the line of our duty. We are promised redemption and deliverance if we will trust in God and not in the arm of flesh. We were admonished to read and study the Word of God, and to pray often. The whole revelation was filled with words of the greatest encouragement and comfort, and my heart was filled with joy and peace during the entire reading. It sets all doubts at rest concerning the course to pursue.” (Abraham H. Cannon, Diary, 19 December 1889, HBLL)
Thanks Luke.
I find it interesting that this was received only a few months before the Manifesto was issued.
Something must have happened during that time for the leading men of the church, who knew of the 1889 revelation, to do an about face in 1890.
Any ideas?