Members are speaking out

[thaabit]

They need to adjust a couple of things.
1. Only one to speak at a time.
2. Don't make videos in the kitchen, or any other echoey place.

You should comment that on their video directly.

[Seed Starter]

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

Am I just missing sarcasm here? I thought they said we need to get back to leaders like Brigham and Joseph. They think BY is a good guy, not a bad guy right?

Yes, that’s what they said. I wasn’t referring to them particularly.

Got it. OT but I was wondering if you have more than one wife now or just believe it was righteous for a time and expect it to be again? And only then will you start looking for or open to having multiple wives? Someone has probably asked you this before. I don't mean any disrespect by it.

[Niemand]

I’ve gone to some and was not impressed. The minister becomes the focus of worship.

That is a legitimate criticism. But if you can find one with a decent monister and ethos etc, it's worthwhile. The smaller outfits are less easily infiltrated.

My other criticism of Protestantism would be some are a bit miserablilst and stern but that is often exaggerated.

Plenty of smaller outfits don't have professional clergy. Some Pentecostal churches I used to go to pretty much only paid for the venue and not even that sometimes. The pastors had to have other work to pay their bills and in many you would have a variety of different speakers. The jobs I've known some of those folk having have included nursing home workers, language tutors, and small farmers. All below the wage level of my last two bishops.

Mormonism isn't quite as exceptional as it likes to claim sometimes.

[Teancum1]

I've gone to many and they haven't. Don't write off the whole because a few are like that.

The normal Protestant service is about how well the minister can manipulate your emotions. Bethel and Hillsong music are especially about doing that. One of the advantages of Mormonism is the lack of a local professional clergy, but at times that can backfire as well.

Sounds like you aren't going to small denominational churches... You ahve literally used two very large denominational churches as an example.

Furthermore, MOrmonism uses Heartsell- its why GA's and others speak the way they do. Music always manipulates emotions- it's purpose is to be emotional.

Professional clergy doesn't mean jack - just like non- professional doesn't mean jack either. It is the person and their desire to seek the Lord and to serve as a shepherd under the LOrd.

I agree wholeheartedly John. We’ve been attending a local fellowship that is relatively new. They have a volunteer pastor who is working full time. His parents are stellar people; they pray with feeling and sincerity in a way that does not happen frequently at LDS services.
It is not a show. They are not in it for the money. They have had their own struggle at another local church that caused a breakup there and decided to start their own ministry. It is truly a blessing to be associated with them currently.
I attended a private Christian school, evangelical non-denominational grade school as a youngster. I love the Bible and Jesus Christ. I have a deep love for the Old and New Testament. In the LDS church the Bible is discounted too much because “ it isn’t translated correctly “. I would say the vast majority of members only read parts of it once every 4 years. The doctrines in the New Testament and Book of Mormon confirm the truth of both.

Keep searching for a place to settle and enjoy the diversity in worshipping God. The LDS church services are generally dull and lack feeling. Not always, but a vast majority of the time. Most testimonies do not include the Savior. Especially from youth and children. It is not that way where we attend. People have a connection to Jesus that I desire to achieve.

Heartsell in the LDS church leads to conversion to the church and not to Christ. It is seemingly planned that way from headquarters. Correlation has killed the Spirit in the church. And sadly, it unlikely to ever change with the leadership we have.

[Niemand]

TBMs will refer ro it as "sifting" if people complain. Always the rank and file, never the top.

[Seed Starter]

Here are a few of my favorite scriptures that apply to what these women are doing.

Ether 8
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

I think he's talking to us. What will we do about it? If we are commanded by God to love our neighbors and we want to please God we have no choice but to tell others when we awaken to the awful situation.

I think if we don't act when we awaken this scripture applies.
Ezekiel 33
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Unfortunately, there are many members who believe that the majority of the church will be on the side of righteousness in the last days. I you believe the BOM only a few will stay true. The scriptures are full of warnings and commentary of the righteous becoming wicked. Nothing new to see and these women are trying to awaken others which I think is good. If we love the gospel we should strive to do what the scriptures tell us and be vigilant.

2 Nephi 28
11 Yea, they have all gone out of the away; they have become corrupted.
12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.
13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.
14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

20 For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.

24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
26 Yea, wo be unto him that hearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!
righteousness

I know these scriptures have been posted various times before but I take all this pretty seriously so it's worth repeating. Thoughts?

[OPMissionary]

They bring up something at 17:28 that I don't see talked about often enough. I don't think anyone on this forum has broached it. I haven't been able to put it into words until now, but it has been bothering me for some time. It's the attack on improving yourself, which the church has had quite a fetish with recently. This idea that you can't ever get better, or learn more, or increase in intelligence, let alone attain perfection. It's a narrative that we are helpless creatures doomed to repeating the same old mistakes - that our only chance is to listen and obey our leaders who know what is best for us. I'm glad they brought that up and I hope it gets more pushback.

[Teancum1]

Here are a few of my favorite scriptures that apply to what these women are doing.

Ether 8
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

I think he's talking to us. What will we do about it? If we are commanded by God to love our neighbors and we want to please God we have no choice but to tell others when we awaken to the awful situation.

I think if we don't act when we awaken this scripture applies.
Ezekiel 33
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

3 Nephi 16
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

Unfortunately, there are many members who believe that the majority of the church will be on the side of righteousness in the last days. I you believe the BOM only a few will stay true. The scriptures are full of warnings and commentary of the righteous becoming wicked. Nothing new to see and these women are trying to awaken others which I think is good. If we love the gospel we should strive to do what the scriptures tell us and be vigilant.

2 Nephi 28
11 Yea, they have all gone out of the away; they have become corrupted.
12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.
13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.
14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

20 For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.

24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
26 Yea, wo be unto him that hearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!
righteousness

I know these scriptures have been posted various times before but I take all this pretty seriously so it's worth repeating. Thoughts?

The current LDS membership do not believe the Book of Mormon. They like to read specific feel good scriptures and love to hear the commendation for the righteous. Sadly they haven’t applied these scriptures to themselves. It’s always easier to believe these scriptures were for the wicked Nephites.
I am not convinced that many will ever awake to a sense of their awful situation. Reading Isaiah and the Book of Mormon the past three years has awakened me. And if not even one of my LDS friends can see what is going on after what we have been through, I’m not sure anything will.

But that doesn’t mean we stop trying to awaken them. They are good people. My friends. They are worth the effort.

[Silver Pie]

CBabyVid

I was looking for your reaction. I don't understand you, but you are dependable.

He's saying the video is a cry baby video - whining and complaining about nothing, is what I understand him to be saying. And, yes, he's quite dependable, isn't he? Have to give him credit for that. He, and a few others, don't stop defending the LDS hierarchy, no matter how plain the scriptures are that condemn them. Perhaps this site will be good strength for when their lines are crossed, and the leaders do something that makes them no longer able to follow them.

[Atrasado]

CBabyVid

I was looking for your reaction. I don't understand you, but you are dependable.

He's saying the video is a cry baby video - whining and complaining about nothing, is what I understand him to be saying. And, yes, he's quite dependable, isn't he? Have to give him credit for that. He, and a few others, don't stop defending the LDS hierarchy, no matter how plain the scriptures are that condemn them. Perhaps this site will be good strength for when their lines are crossed, and the leaders do something that makes them no longer able to follow them.

You're right, and I understood what he was saying. I just don't understand why he said it--why he continues to defend those criminals. They are no better than the Sanhedrin during Christ's earthly ministry, and the evidence and the scriptures prophesying of this condition are quite numerous. I was blind, so I should get it. But when I can now see something so clearly and I know he's aware of the facts it's hard not to wonder why they can't see it.

[Silver Pie]

You're right, and I understood what he was saying. I just don't understand why he said it--why he continues to defend those criminals. They are no better than the Sanhedrin during Christ's earthly ministry, and the evidence and the scriptures prophesying of this condition are quite numerous. I was blind, so I should get it. But when I can see something so clearly it's hard not to wonder why they can't.

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

I agree. I was one of the utmost pharisees in my pride and blind belief. I know where he and others are coming from because I also completely believed and would have defended - but when God starts to wake you up, and you're willing to follow him even if it puts you at odds with all you ever thought you knew was true, what can you do but follow God? It's painful. It's unsettling at times. But it is also incredibly freeing and then, like you said, you see it so clearly it's difficult to see why the faithful believers can't (especially when it's written in the Book of Mormon as plain as day).

[Blue Marble]

They bring up something at 17:28 that I don't see talked about often enough. I don't think anyone on this forum has broached it. I haven't been able to put it into words until now, but it has been bothering me for some time. It's the attack on improving yourself, which the church has had quite a fetish with recently. This idea that you can't ever get better, or learn more, or increase in intelligence, let alone attain perfection. It's a narrative that we are helpless creatures doomed to repeating the same old mistakes - that our only chance is to listen and obey our leaders who know what is best for us. I'm glad they brought that up and I hope it gets more pushback.

You’re right, it’s a topic that deserves multiple threads of dedicated discussion. Unfortunately, there are many here who’ll accuse you of lacking faith if you suggest man can achieve perfection.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Define perfection…

[logicalheart]

It's the attack on improving yourself, which the church has had quite a fetish with recently. This idea that you can't ever get better, or learn more, or increase in intelligence, let alone attain perfection.

The church stopped teaching against many sins, and therefore can’t teach the repentance of of those sins for forgiveness, which therefore omits the path to perfection. Loving God means keeping his commandments. I don’t hear teaching against these sins anymore.

Homosexuality
Transgenderism
Fornication
Masturbation
Pedophilia
Infanticide
Immodest clothing
Voting against our freedom and self agency (there is a long list of these)
Going into unnecessary debt
Intentionally being dependent instead of self-reliant (there is a long list of these)
Following the World instead of being unique from the World (there is a long list of these)
Setting our hearts on riches and fine clothing
Cosmetic surgery for vanity
Unworthily taking the sacrament

Also…
We hear about the U.S. Constitution repeatedly, while pressured not to actually follow it.
We no longer warn the world against sin in order to prepare for the coming of Jesus.
We ignore the entire Word of Wisdom except what is required to retain membership or a temple recommend.
We ignore the Book of Mormon warnings against Gadianton conspiracies and pretend the don’t exist.
We don’t hold proper church courts to present evidence against, and also in defense of church members.

We can make a long list to prove how we have fallen from the truth in just a few years.

[Great8]

The church leaders know that they have no ability to be bold in their prophesying for fear of retribution.
Risk Mitigation>Revelation
Kirtain & Mckonkie for risk mitigation
We are in the latter days and boy it was not what I expected!
I pray that the savior comes soon but there is still a lot to follow. 2030 can’t come soon enough.
I’m tired.
PS Mittens is a douche.

[Libertas Est Salus]

PS Mittens is a douche.

Bahaha! This made my day!!

[Wondering Wendy]

Define perfection…

In my opinion, perfection on this earth is having your calling and election made sure. Those who have, have been completely sanctified and have received a small portion of celestial glory.

This perfection does not mean they make no errors or mistakes; it means they are following the Holy Spirit and have achieved the CK in the eyes of God. Like Noah.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

So, yes, it is perfectly achievable.

[Robin Hood]

They need to adjust a couple of things.
1. Only one to speak at a time.
2. Don't make videos in the kitchen, or any other echoey place.

You should comment that on their video directly.

I have.

[Hogmeister]

Am I just missing sarcasm here? I thought they said we need to get back to leaders like Brigham and Joseph. They think BY is a good guy, not a bad guy right?

Yes, that’s what they said. I wasn’t referring to them particularly.

Got it. OT but I was wondering if you have more than one wife now or just believe it was righteous for a time and expect it to be again? And only then will you start looking for or open to having multiple wives? Someone has probably asked you this before. I don't mean any disrespect by it.

Noone should be looking for multiple wives unless specifically commanded/granted by the Lord. He has said so himself in scripture and revelation.

I also believe these principles to be correct as taught by JS in a letter to Nancy Rigdon.

"But we cannot keep all the commandments without first knowing them, and
we cannot expect to know all, or more than
we now know, unless we comply with or keep
those we have already received. That which
is wrong under one circumstance, may be,
and often is, right under another. God said
thou shalt not kill,—1 at another time he said
thou shalt utterly destroy.2 This is the principle on which the government of heaven is
conducted—by revelation adapted to the circumstances in which the children of the kingdom are placed. Whatever God requires is
right, no matter what it is, although we
may not see the reason thereof till long after the events transpire. If we seek first the
kingdom of God, all good things will be added.3 So with Solomon—first he asked wisdom, and God gave it him, and with it every
desire of his heart,4 even things which might
be considered abominable to all who do not
understand the order of heaven only in part,
but which, in reality, were right, because
God gave and sanctioned by special revelation.5 A parent may whip a child, and justly
too, because he stole an apple; whereas, if
the child had asked for the apple, and the parent had given it, the child would have eaten
it with a better appetite, there would have
been no stripes—all the pleasures of the apple would have been received, all the misery
of stealing lost. This principle will justly
apply to all of God’s dealings with his children. Every thing that God gives us is lawful and right, and ’tis proper that we should
enjoy his gifts and blessings whenever and
wherever he is disposed to bestow; but if we
should seize upon these same blessings and
enjoyments without law, without revelation,
without commandment, those blessings and
enjoyments would prove cursings and vexations in the end, and we should have to lie
down in sorrow and wailings of everlasting
regret. But in obedience there is joy and
peace unspotted, unalloyed, and as God has
designed our happiness, the happiness of all
his creatures, he never has, he never will,
institute an ordinance, or give a commandment to his people that is not calculated in
its nature to promote that happiness which he
has designed, and which will not end in the
greatest amount of good and glory to those
who become the recipients of his laws and
ordinances. Blessings offered, but rejected,
are no longer blessings, but become like the
talent hid in the earth by the wicked and
slothful servant6—the proffered good returns to
the giver, the blessing is bestowed on those
who will receive, and occupy; for unto him
that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundantly; but unto him that hath not, or will
not receive, shall be taken away that which
he hath,7 or might have had.
“Be wise to-day, ’tis madness to defer.
Next day the fatal precedent may plead:
Thus on till wisdom is pushed out of time”8
Into eternity.
Our heavenly father is more
liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive, and at the same time is more
terrible to the workers of iniquity, more awful in the executions of his punishments, and
more ready to detect every false way than
we are apt to suppose him to be. He will be
enquired of by his children—he says ask and
ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find,9
but if ye will take that which is not your
own, or which I have not given you, you shall
be rewarded according to your deeds, but no
good thing will I withhold from them who
walk uprightly before me, and do my will in
all things, who will listen to my voice, and to
to the voice of my servant whom I have
sent, for I delight in those who seek diligently to know my precepts, and abide by the laws
of my kingdom, for all things shall be made
known unto them in mine own due time, and
in the end they shall have joy."

[LDS Physician]

Yes, that’s what they said. I wasn’t referring to them particularly.

Got it. OT but I was wondering if you have more than one wife now or just believe it was righteous for a time and expect it to be again? And only then will you start looking for or open to having multiple wives? Someone has probably asked you this before. I don't mean any disrespect by it.

Noone should be looking for multiple wives unless specifically commanded by the Lord. He has said so himself in scripture and revelation.

No he hasn't

[LDS Physician]

This was an interesting video. They certainly were brave to do it.

However, they do make the most egregious of claims without any proof whatsoever. You can't simply say that the 15 are "evil", then read a bunch of scriptures showing past leaders being evil, and then say "See? They're evil." They do show evidence that they are courting wicked organizations such as the NAACP and the UN (I agree), but it's quite a jump from holding hands with the NAACP leadership to saying the 15 are child trafficking and committing sexual atrocities in the SLC temple. Could it be true? Sure. Is there proof? No. Not that I've seen yet.

What we need is a new Ezekiel ... one who the Lord takes behind the scenes and shows everything to. I hope that happens soon because if it's happening, it needs to be stopped.

[Peeps]

I was looking for your reaction. I don't understand you, but you are dependable.

He's saying the video is a cry baby video - whining and complaining about nothing, is what I understand him to be saying. And, yes, he's quite dependable, isn't he? Have to give him credit for that. He, and a few others, don't stop defending the LDS hierarchy, no matter how plain the scriptures are that condemn them. Perhaps this site will be good strength for when their lines are crossed, and the leaders do something that makes them no longer able to follow them.

You're right, and I understood what he was saying. I just don't understand why he said it--why he continues to defend those criminals. They are no better than the Sanhedrin during Christ's earthly ministry, and the evidence and the scriptures prophesying of this condition are quite numerous. I was blind, so I should get it. But when I can now see something so clearly and I know he's aware of the facts it's hard not to wonder why they can't see it.

Yes, they frustrated Jesus Christ to the point, He said this in John 8:
42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?..."

[Mindfields]

This was an interesting video. They certainly were brave to do it.

However, they do make the most egregious of claims without any proof whatsoever. You can't simply say that the 15 are "evil", then read a bunch of scriptures showing past leaders being evil, and then say "See? They're evil." They do show evidence that they are courting wicked organizations such as the NAACP and the UN (I agree), but it's quite a jump from holding hands with the NAACP leadership to saying the 15 are child trafficking and committing sexual atrocities in the SLC temple. Could it be true? Sure. Is there proof? No. Not that I've seen yet.

What we need is a new Ezekiel ... one who the Lord takes behind the scenes and shows everything to. I hope that happens soon because if it's happening, it needs to be stopped.

I'm personally not a fan of the brethren but making outrageous claims with out a shred of evidence is not helpful. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". This goes for church truth claims as well.

[marc]

I've talked about perfection here before. I've spent years pondering and studying it so that i may apply and share my findings. I hope this helps those of you who are serious honest seekers.

Define perfection…

Be ye therefore perfect-today

[LostCreekAcres]

Define perfection…

In my opinion, perfection on this earth is having your calling and election made sure. Those who have, have been completely sanctified and have received a small portion of celestial glory.

This perfection does not mean they make no errors or mistakes; it means they are following the Holy Spirit and have achieved the CK in the eyes of God. Like Noah.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

So, yes, it is perfectly achievable.

I agree with your idea of perfection. Also, we can be perfect in our constant repentence.