Members are speaking out

[Chip]

I wonder what happened to this mother and daughter. Their last video was taken down and it doesn't look like they posted it on Rumble. I wonder if the church scared them, somehow. Maybe they had a Come to Russell meeting.

[ransomme]

I wonder too. I would like to have listened to the one that was removed. They seemed prepared in the first one to be excommunicated.

Even my wife and I are prepared since we are very open about what the scriptures say. .

[BuriedTartaria]

I wonder what happened to this mother and daughter. Their last video was taken down and it doesn't look like they posted it on Rumble. I wonder if the church scared them, somehow. Maybe they had a Come to Russell meeting.

This is a worry I have every time an average person speaks out. I'm not saying people show up at their door and threaten them. But hurting the claims of a trillion dollar value institution can't be a peril-free endeavor.

[thaabit]

I wonder what happened to this mother and daughter. Their last video was taken down and it doesn't look like they posted it on Rumble. I wonder if the church scared them, somehow. Maybe they had a Come to Russell meeting.

It's on Rumble now
https://rumble.com/v3r024d-general-conf ... -pack.html

[Chip]

I wonder what happened to this mother and daughter. Their last video was taken down and it doesn't look like they posted it on Rumble. I wonder if the church scared them, somehow. Maybe they had a Come to Russell meeting.

It's on Rumble now
https://rumble.com/v3r024d-general-conf ... -pack.html

Man, they did an awesome job on that video!

[Reluctant Watchman]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

[Libertas Est Salus]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

I had a similar reaction. I am pretty sure historical record supports the claim that JS was at least partially motivated by a desire to be forgiven of sins. Also, a number of points she made that I probable don't disagree with but just seemed like splitting hairs, where I'm thinking, "THAT's your issue??"

I like their videos and am glad to see them do what they're doing. But I think the value of what they're doing is more the fact that they're doing it at all. I think they're probably not as well informed as they think or as some might perceive (granted the same is true about me, no doubt).

Ultimately I'm just glad to see what seem like mainstream Mormons speaking out.

[Chip]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

There is a lot to wake up to. What they are totally right on is that there is smoke and where there is smoke, there is FIRE. What causes church leaders to brainwash members into listening to them, exculsively, or advise members to take poisonous shots against all reason, is unknown, exactly, but it would seem to me that some things are going on that are WAY out of alignment with how things ought to be. These sisters are right over target on THAT, and their witness of that will help wake up many others. There is no salvation in following men, especially corrupted men. The church loves using the name of Jesus, as if they are right there with Him, but they are getting farther from him every time they open their mouths.

[Being There]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

There is a lot to wake up to. What they are totally right on is that there is smoke and where there is smoke, there is FIRE. What causes church leaders to brainwash members into listening to them, exculsively, or advise members to take poisonous shots against all reason, is unknown, exactly, but it would seem to me that some things are going on that are WAY out of alignment with how things ought to be. These sisters are right over target on THAT, and their witness of that will help wake up many others. There is no salvation in following men, especially corrupted men. The church loves using the name of Jesus, as if they are right there with Him, but they are getting farther from him every time they open their mouths.

amen.

13 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is "taught by the precept of men"
Isaiah 29

Matthew 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Telavian]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

[Chip]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

But if the church was doing the right things, there would be no occasion for such angst. The church acts as if we are just supposed to swallow and digest whatever it says and does, even if those things are undigestible. Some will just say NO, while others will form byzantine rationales to protect their codependent relationship with the church. So, your options are separation or idolatry.

[Telavian]

But if the church was doing the right things, there would be no occasion for such angst. The church acts as if we are just supposed to swallow and digest whatever it says and does, even if those things are undigestible. Some will just say NO, while others will form byzantine rationales to protect their codependent relationship with the church.

I agree. I just like a more scriptural focused endeavor.

[Being There]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

"opportunity to attack the church" -
well, I think we've all had a hand in that - (and like them - for a good reason)
You and I, and so many others - are really no different.

"anger venting sessions." ?
I think I would have to say - that it was much more than that.

[Being There]

I know women can be different than men - in how they speak - and I'm a scripture person,
but to have the balls - as these 2 good sisters have-
to stand up and speak out against the church - for it's evil ties and doings with Babylon -
well, I just have to take my hat off to them.

WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN !

(I mean would you be as brave as them - in standing for truth against the church -
and do a video like this)

[Silver Pie]

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

That's why I decided not to watch it, even though I logged in and made a couple of comments. From some of what was said on here, it seemed like it was probably more of attacking, and I'm not interested in that. I hope they get things figured out - the truth from the error in whatever they currently believe.

[ransomme]

New video as of Oct 22nd. It's a quick update

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I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

That is smart.

This one reason why I can't stand people on YouTube like John Delhin or "Nuancehoe" Carah Burrell. They've made some valid criticisms about the Church here and there but it always goes back to the same crying and moaning about not liking gay people or occasionally "misogyny". It's just the same woke crap you hear everywhere else, just with a Mormon twist to it.

[ransomme]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

It did seem to just be an opportunity to attack the church. Honestly, even though I am not pro-LDS, I won't listen to things that are just anger venting sessions.

The reason why I posted it, is because I think the trend will continue. More and more people's last straws will drop. People will awaken for different reasons, just as people are drawn to truth from different angles (just listen to a number of conversion stories).

[Fight for the right]

When Nelson asked us to take the shot and be good global citizens I spoke out against both and let it be known on a big scale to Church members and my friends outside of the Church. I was told over and over again to follow the prophet and I did not know what I was Talking about. I don't believe nelson is a prophet and I am angry at what is going on within the Church I attend at present and the Church I was baptized in 30 years ago. I will not leave, I'm staying and I'm staying because it is still Jesus Christ's Church. I still have the Priesthood, I did not lose it because of someone else's sins. I'll call them out when they teach something that is contrary to what I was taught 30 years ago. When I speak in church I have a book that I pull my information from that was published 70 years ago. Latter Day Prophets Speak by Ludlow. Real Doctrine full of revelation and wisdom from early Prophets.
When Christ went to Jerusalem and found his Fathers house being defiled He didn't say look what they are doing I'm not coming here anymore. He called them out and threw them out.

[Reluctant Watchman]

When Nelson asked us to take the shot and be good global citizens I spoke out against both and let it be known on a big scale to Church members and my friends outside of the Church. I was told over and over again to follow the prophet and I did not know what I was Talking about. I don't believe nelson is a prophet and I am angry at what is going on within the Church I attend at present and the Church I was baptized in 30 years ago. I will not leave, I'm staying and I'm staying because it is still Jesus Christ's Church. I still have the Priesthood, I did not lose it because of someone else's sins. I'll call them out when they teach something that is contrary to what I was taught 30 years ago. When I speak in church I have a book that I pull my information from that was published 70 years ago. Latter Day Prophets Speak by Ludlow. Real Doctrine full of revelation and wisdom from early Prophets.
When Christ went to Jerusalem and found his Fathers house being defiled He didn't say look what they are doing I'm not coming here anymore. He called them out and threw them out.

Much of the doctrine you were taught 30 years ago, and from your book 70 years ago, were founded upon various false doctrines. I’m happy if you stay, but just know people have pretty valid reasons for leaving. When the church teaches doctrines contrary to Christ’s gospel, there are people who leave the church to follow Christ. God’s love for all of His children is much more encompassing than the LDS religion.

[logonbump]

I’m half way through and I think they get some things right, but they also miss quite a few things. For one, I do believe one of the reasons Joseph was in the grove was due to his sins and standing before the Lord. Truman Madsen mentions this in one of his discourses on Joseph’s life. There were also a handful of other things this lady said that I think were close, but not entirely accurate.

These videos seem to be far more “knee jerk” reaction vs. a more scriptural or doctrinal basis like Rob Fotheringham. Which is fine, as long as you know the difference.

There is a lot to wake up to. What they are totally right on is that there is smoke and where there is smoke, there is FIRE. What causes church leaders to brainwash members into listening to them, exculsively, or advise members to take poisonous shots against all reason, is unknown, exactly, but it would seem to me that some things are going on that are WAY out of alignment with how things ought to be. These sisters are right over target on THAT, and their witness of that will help wake up many others. There is no salvation in following men, especially corrupted men. The church loves using the name of Jesus, as if they are right there with Him, but they are getting farther from him every time they open their mouths.

Isaiah 52:
5 And now, what have I here? says Jehovah.
My people are taken over without price;
those who govern them
act presumptuously, says Jehovah,
and my name is constantly abused all the day.
6 Therefore shall my people come to know my name;
in that day they shall know
that I, who speak, am at hand.

[Fight for the right]

When Nelson asked us to take the shot and be good global citizens I spoke out against both and let it be known on a big scale to Church members and my friends outside of the Church. I was told over and over again to follow the prophet and I did not know what I was Talking about. I don't believe nelson is a prophet and I am angry at what is going on within the Church I attend at present and the Church I was baptized in 30 years ago. I will not leave, I'm staying and I'm staying because it is still Jesus Christ's Church. I still have the Priesthood, I did not lose it because of someone else's sins. I'll call them out when they teach something that is contrary to what I was taught 30 years ago. When I speak in church I have a book that I pull my information from that was published 70 years ago. Latter Day Prophets Speak by Ludlow. Real Doctrine full of revelation and wisdom from early Prophets.
When Christ went to Jerusalem and found his Fathers house being defiled He didn't say look what they are doing I'm not coming here anymore. He called them out and threw them out.

Much of the doctrine you were taught 30 years ago, and from your book 70 years ago, were founded upon various false doctrines. I’m happy if you stay, but just know people have pretty valid reasons for leaving. When the church teaches doctrines contrary to Christ’s gospel, there are people who leave the church to follow Christ. God’s love for all of His children is much more encompassing than the LDS religion.

Watchman. I turned 40 years of age and didn't like who I was and what I was doing in life, my heart and mind wanted better. I said my first pray in 25 years, a simple prayer from my heart. "God I need help". Two days later there was a knock on my door from two missionaries. They said you called and I said no but come in anyway. Found out later my daughter saw the commercial for the church on television and made the call for the missionaries to come to my house. She didn't know about my prayer. God as you know works through other people to answer our prayers.
I was baptized a short time later, received the gift of the Holy Ghost and later the Priesthood by the laying on of hands from someone with AUTHORITY. I have been a part of miracles, Revelation, a ministering angel for 2 years after I received the Priesthood and countless other blessings. Heavenly Father would have never sent the two fine men to my house if It still wasn't Christ's Church. Yes there was some things taught that were wrong and it's up to me with the gift of discernment to not follow those things.
Watchman I don't know if you were born into the church or you're a convert.Your very knowledgeable in many things. Maybe heavenly Father wants you to do battle from within the Church not outside of it. If you have had your name removed from the Church records you've removed yourself from eternal progression. Harsh words aren't they. They are meant to be.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Watchman. I turned 40 years of age and didn't like who I was and what I was doing in life, my heart and mind wanted better. I said my first pray in 25 years, a simple prayer from my heart. "God I need help". Two days later there was a knock on my door from two missionaries. They said you called and I said no but come in anyway. Found out later my daughter saw the commercial for the church on television and made the call for the missionaries to come to my house. She didn't know about my prayer. God as you know works through other people to answer our prayers.
I was baptized a short time later, received the gift of the Holy Ghost and later the Priesthood by the laying on of hands from someone with AUTHORITY. I have been a part of miracles, Revelation, a ministering angel for 2 years after I received the Priesthood and countless other blessings. Heavenly Father would have never sent the two fine men to my house if It still wasn't Christ's Church. Yes there was some things taught that were wrong and it's up to me with the gift of discernment to not follow those things.
Watchman I don't know if you were born into the church or you're a convert.Your very knowledgeable in many things. Maybe heavenly Father wants you to do battle from within the Church not outside of it. If you have had your name removed from the Church records you've removed yourself from eternal progression. Harsh words aren't they. They are meant to be.

Thanks for sharing part of your journey. I think it's wonderful that people who join the church are often introduced to many wonderful truths. They learn about the Book of Mormon... that's pretty cool. I'm saddened that the church doesn't follow much of the doctrine in the book though: https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/the-b ... lds-church

As far as miracles, yes, I know that miracles happen to the faithful who place their trust in the Lord. That can happen independently of a religion. The challenge is the church teaches that NOTHING is wrong. They preach that you must obey the leaders and "sustain" them, which is an "oath-like" indication that their calling as "prophet" (their words, not mine) is binding upon you. Corrupt leaders have ruined the gospel of Christ. They have literally changed the doctrines Jesus taught.

I was BiC (Born in the Covenenat), lived my entire life in the church. Served with all my heart. Checked all the boxes: priesthoods, mission, marriage, lots of callings, last of which was the senior high councilor in my stake. About a month ago our family removed our records from the church. We are no longer members. If you want to know more about my decision to leave, you can read about it here, which includes a copy of our resignation letter: https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/leavi ... low-christ

One of the great fallacies perpetrated by wicked men is that my "eternal progression" is contingent upon trusting the arm of flesh. It is not. The LDS church has made idols of men. Members, in many ways, have allowed this to happen. They have allowed the church to fall into apostasy due to a lack of knowledge of Christ's teachings. To use your language, "Harsh words, aren't they". Yes, yes they are. I'm very unapologetic about my viewpoints and opinions. Partly because I was part of the ignorance. I was literally "cursed" due to placing my trust in the arm of flesh. A difficult, yet beautiful, lesson the Lord has impressed upon my heart on mind.

[Reluctant Watchman]

One paragraph from our resignation letter:

"We believe that any religion that strives to bring you closer to God has truth in it. There is no perfect religion. For any religious organization to preach that their belief system is the only path back to God, and that a person cannot fully come unto the Savior but through their religious dogmas, is the very belief that will slow or stop one’s progression in the heavens. Many religions paint a picture of their path back to God, but we can only truly understand the beautiful vistas and grandeur of heaven by experiencing God ourselves."

[Fight for the right]

There is no perfect religion is a false statement watchman. Christ is perfect and he prepared Joseph to receive his perfect way to find our way back to Heavenly Father. Would he send Moroni to restore a flawed Church. I don't think so. Men under the influence of Satan mess things up. Records have been and are kept of the ordinances needed to be for our time here and our time in eternity. What soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Mathieu 18-18. I'm not going back and forth here for sake of argument. I concerned for you and your family. Maybe you've already done this. Fast and pray with a sincere heart to find out if Christ's Church is still Christ's Church. The Holy Spirit will let you know and anybody else that really wants to know.