Members are speaking out

[ransomme]

Hmm interesting

I'm imagining a rise in members speaking out. They call Church leadership evil

[tmac]

Good for anyone who is waking up, and willing to say something about it. The more the better.

[Erastothenes]

I was blown away when I visited my 82 year-old mom this past weekend. She is as dyed in the wool Mormo...I mean Latter-Day Saint as humanly possible. I wouldnt be surprised if she leaves everything she has to the church. Well anyway, even she is flabergasted with what Rusty is doing to the church. She exclaimed that he was an "insufferable narcissist hell bent on destroying the church." If she is starting to recognize whats going on then the church has no chance unless it redirects its course quickly.

[Libertas Est Salus]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

[randyps]

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[CuriousThinker]

The fact they called the leaders evil, and not just that they have supported evil, tells me a disciplinary court is on the horizon.

[Libertas Est Salus]

The fact they called the leaders evil, and not just that they have supported evil, tells me a disciplinary court is on the horizon.

Yep. Probably only a matter of time. They really went for it there, didn't they? Lol. When they just straight up called them evil, I was thinking, ooh dang, was not expecting that!

[Christianlee]

I gave up on the LDS Church a long time ago. It is hard to find an organized church which has not been completely infiltrated by Leftists. These sisters may think the LDS Church can be cleansed through members’ actions, but individual members have no power. They will be sadly disappointed. The LDS Church does not need them.

[Niemand]

my 82 year-old mom .... is flabergasted with what Rusty is doing to the church. She exclaimed that he was an "insufferable narcissist hell bent on destroying the church."

An accurate assessment.

[Niemand]

I gave up on the LDS Church a long time ago. It is hard to find an organized church which has not been completely infiltrated by Leftists. These sisters may think the LDS Church can be cleansed through members’ actions, but individual members have no power. They will be sadly disappointed. The LDS Church does not need them.

There are plenty which aren't infiltrated. Go to smaller denominations.

[Wolfwoman]

Wow!!

[Sunain]

The fact they called the leaders evil, and not just that they have supported evil, tells me a disciplinary court is on the horizon.

They aren't wrong. Siding with the UN agenda is evil. Not enforcing the honor code at BYU is evil. The list grows longer daily unfortunately. We've gone over a ton of points here on the forum. As members if His church, we will be held accountable as well if our brothers and sisters are excommunicated for standing up against evil and we don't help them. When they changed the handbook a couple of years ago regarding leaders, we all knew there would be dark times ahead. Good on them for publicly saying what they're feeling.

[Wolfwoman]

Interesting what they were saying about how the church has been teaching lately against perfectionism. I noticed that on Sunday. The lesson was a conference talk and part of it was against perfectionism. I remember when the church used to teach us to strive to improve ourselves and become better. Now we just say, we try hard and Jesus will make up the rest.

[Luke]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

[Robin Hood]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

I think Brigham was Joseph's Joshua.
Joshua did some good things, communed with God, delivered the people into the promised land etc... but he was no Moses.

[Luke]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

I think Brigham was Joseph's Joshua.
Joshua did some good things, communed with God, delivered the people into the promised land etc... but he was no Moses.

I don’t think anyone since has matched Joseph Smith. But as you said he was a great man, and he was the man who God chose to step into Joseph’s shoes whilst the birthright heir came to manhood. Unfortunately, Emma and her children all turned out to be apostates, which is where other characters come into the story.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

We all have our idols.

[Libertas Est Salus]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

Luke, you're a good dude. I definitely do not share your love for polygamy or for Brigham. I will say that at one point I did love the idea of polygamy and wanted it to be a true doctrine. But the Lord did help me see that my view was informed by my struggle with the natural man, and that I was wrong. I can genuinely say I've considered both sides and even advocated for both sides. I can say now with certainty, polygamy is not of God.

I know you disagree, and I don't want to turn this into a 50-page thread on polygamy. I know of your commitment and willingness to defend your view. But I did want to at least make my point here on Brigham. He was the historical revisionist, because his whoredoms absolutely required him to be. That's not an attack on you. It's an attack on a wicked man who led the church astray and who very likely has the blood of Joseph and many others on his hands.

I will probably not respond on this further, to keep the thread relevant.

[Chip]

Refreshing to see some people waking up to the smell of feces where it doesn't belong.

My ward only smells roses and when I pointed out the feces in EQ, they circled the wagons and said that was just my opinion, which they "totally respected" my right to have, but they disagreed with. That was a glitch in their matrix. They are now back to feasting on the leavened feces of their Pharisee demigods.

[Luke]

This video was fantastic. I think they might want to do some research on Brigham Young, but it's clear their eyes are open, that they prioritize truth, and they're not afraid to call evil what it is.

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

Luke, you're a good dude. I definitely do not share your love for polygamy or for Brigham. I will say that at one point I did love the idea of polygamy and wanted it to be a true doctrine. But the Lord did help me see that my view was informed by my struggle with the natural man, and that I was wrong. I can genuinely say I've considered both sides and even advocated for both sides. I can say now with certainty, polygamy is not of God.

I know you disagree, and I don't want to turn this into a 50-page thread on polygamy. I know of your commitment and willingness to defend your view. But I did want to at least make my point here on Brigham. He was the historical revisionist, because his whoredoms absolutely required him to be. That's not an attack on you. It's an attack on a wicked man who led the church astray and who very likely has the blood of Joseph and many others on his hands.

I will probably not respond on this further, to keep the thread relevant.

I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

[Libertas Est Salus]

Yeah they need to do some research on Brigham Young—and accept his teachings. Not go down this ridiculous, revisionist rabbit hole of denying actual history and believing in delusional, false doctrines.

Luke, you're a good dude. I definitely do not share your love for polygamy or for Brigham. I will say that at one point I did love the idea of polygamy and wanted it to be a true doctrine. But the Lord did help me see that my view was informed by my struggle with the natural man, and that I was wrong. I can genuinely say I've considered both sides and even advocated for both sides. I can say now with certainty, polygamy is not of God.

I know you disagree, and I don't want to turn this into a 50-page thread on polygamy. I know of your commitment and willingness to defend your view. But I did want to at least make my point here on Brigham. He was the historical revisionist, because his whoredoms absolutely required him to be. That's not an attack on you. It's an attack on a wicked man who led the church astray and who very likely has the blood of Joseph and many others on his hands.

I will probably not respond on this further, to keep the thread relevant.

I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

And I can handle that. We agree, bro!

[SantaFe]

The fact they called the leaders evil, and not just that they have supported evil, tells me a disciplinary court is on the horizon.

Yep. Probably only a matter of time. They really went for it there, didn't they? Lol. When they just straight up called them evil, I was thinking, ooh dang, was not expecting that!

"ooh dang", that made me laugh!

[Reluctant Watchman]

I know the ward these gals attend isn’t typical (at least I hope it’s not typical), but gee whiz, they have some crazy stuff going on. Sexual abusers and adulterers as leaders of their ward.

EDIT: From what they said, I don't think they go to church, but have church in their home.

[Christianlee]

I know this ward these gals attend isn’t typical (at least I hope it’s not typical), but gee whiz, they have some crazy stuff going on. Sexual abusers and adulterers as leaders of their ward.

Yep. In the ward I attend with my family here in the Midwest I don’t see any of that. I think everyone is too busy working and raising a family for those kind of shenanigans.

[simpleton]

Hmm interesting

I'm imagining a rise in members speaking out. They call Church leadership evil

I don't know about Ballard and "OUR", but these gals hit the Nails on the Heads.