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Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 6:36 am You should be linking all of these posts together or they will just vanish into the archive and be barely searchable.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 6:36 am You should be linking all of these posts together or they will just vanish into the archive and be barely searchable.

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 9:48 am

Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 6:36 am You should be linking all of these posts together or they will just vanish into the archive and be barely searchable.

I will create a master page with links to each.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 3:28 pm

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 9:48 am

Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 6:36 am You should be linking all of these posts together or they will just vanish into the archive and be barely searchable.

I will create a master page with links to each.

You should It would be a shame to lose these. The search algorithm on here is quirky.

A unique search term as suggested above is good, but it still doesn't mean that those searching for in depth discussion of Isaiah will find all this thread.

Thanks for posting all this though.

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 4:59 pm
The search algorithm on here is quirky.

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 6:35 pm Isaiah 7
The Situation
This chapter is macro in nature at the beginning.

In the ancient setting, King Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah were being threatened by the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria. Isaiah was commanded by the Lord to go to a spot on the road to the laundry plaza by the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Reservoir to counsel the king to trust in the Lord, although the Lord and Isaiah knew that Ahaz wouldn't listen. Rather than trust in the Lord, King Ahaz turned to the King of Assyria for help. Isaiah was also commanded to take his son, A Remnant Shall Repent, to meet with the king as a witness that the children of Israel would be taken captive yet some would return.

Isaiah delivered his message to King Ahaz, telling him not to worry because the Kingdom of Israel (Ephraim) and Syria shortly would no longer be in existence (the number of years given is 65, although Gileadi feels that was an error on the part of the scribe and was probably six or five years).

Isaiah then chides King Ahaz for his disbelief saying, "But as surely as Samaria is the capital of Ephraim and the son of Remaliah the head of Samaria, you will not believe it, because you are not loyal."

Ahaz is then asked to choose a sign and he piously and hypocritically refuses to. Isaiah then tells him that his own son soon to be born, Hezekiah, will be his sign and that his mother will call him Immanuel.

How does this translate to latter times? The prophecy seems to be about the house of Judah and the house of David. Granted, it is believed by some that Joseph Smith was a descendant of Christ (when he said no man knows my history, he was referring to his family history), but I don't believe this prophecy refers to the Latter-day Saints. I believe it refers to the Jews.

When the modern state of Israel was founded in 1948 it had many enemies. In order to protect itself Israel entered into an alliance with the USSR (Assyria) which provided weapons to Israel so that Israel could protect itself against Lebanon (Ephraim) and Syria. Eventually relations between Israel and the USSR broke down in the mid to late 60's and were only restored at the end of the Cold War.

It seems clear that Russia (Assyria) will lead the alliance against Israel which will bring on Armageddon. That is what it means when it says that there will be bees from Assyria. The flies from Egypt, to me, seem to imply that pestilence of some type will be used against Israel. Since Egypt in Isaiah refers to the United States of seems that this must refer to some sort of bioweapon that somehow comes against Israel (and likely we in the United States, as well).

Who is the child? This prophecy, besides referring to Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, is also obviously about Christ. It is likely that the return of Christ to save the Jews will be the fulfillment of this prophecy in the Last Days.

The Effect
The nation of Israel is mostly destroyed. Only a few survive to rebuild. The land turns fallow and wildlife is hunted where once there were fields.

What We Should Do
Be loyal to Jehovah and remember the promises of the Lord.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 5:16 pm

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 6:35 pm Isaiah 7
The Situation
This chapter is macro in nature at the beginning.

In the ancient setting, King Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah were being threatened by the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria. Isaiah was commanded by the Lord to go to a spot on the road to the laundry plaza by the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Reservoir to counsel the king to trust in the Lord, although the Lord and Isaiah knew that Ahaz wouldn't listen. Rather than trust in the Lord, King Ahaz turned to the King of Assyria for help. Isaiah was also commanded to take his son, A Remnant Shall Repent, to meet with the king as a witness that the children of Israel would be taken captive yet some would return.

Isaiah delivered his message to King Ahaz, telling him not to worry because the Kingdom of Israel (Ephraim) and Syria shortly would no longer be in existence (the number of years given is 65, although Gileadi feels that was an error on the part of the scribe and was probably six or five years).

Isaiah then chides King Ahaz for his disbelief saying, "But as surely as Samaria is the capital of Ephraim and the son of Remaliah the head of Samaria, you will not believe it, because you are not loyal."

Ahaz is then asked to choose a sign and he piously and hypocritically refuses to. Isaiah then tells him that his own son soon to be born, Hezekiah, will be his sign and that his mother will call him Immanuel.

How does this translate to latter times? The prophecy seems to be about the house of Judah and the house of David. Granted, it is believed by some that Joseph Smith was a descendant of Christ (when he said no man knows my history, he was referring to his family history), but I don't believe this prophecy refers to the Latter-day Saints. I believe it refers to the Jews.

When the modern state of Israel was founded in 1948 it had many enemies. In order to protect itself Israel entered into an alliance with the USSR (Assyria) which provided weapons to Israel so that Israel could protect itself against Lebanon (Ephraim) and Syria. Eventually relations between Israel and the USSR broke down in the mid to late 60's and were only restored at the end of the Cold War.

It seems clear that Russia (Assyria) will lead the alliance against Israel which will bring on Armageddon. That is what it means when it says that there will be bees from Assyria. The flies from Egypt, to me, seem to imply that pestilence of some type will be used against Israel. Since Egypt in Isaiah refers to the United States of seems that this must refer to some sort of bioweapon that somehow comes against Israel (and likely we in the United States, as well).

Who is the child? This prophecy, besides referring to Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, is also obviously about Christ. It is likely that the return of Christ to save the Jews will be the fulfillment of this prophecy in the Last Days.

The Effect
The nation of Israel is mostly destroyed. Only a few survive to rebuild. The land turns fallow and wildlife is hunted where once there were fields.

What We Should Do
Be loyal to Jehovah and remember the promises of the Lord.

You are putting a lot of perceived faith on a fallen people…

I don’t see anything about the Antichrist in there.

By your interpretation (why I said perceived) it seems you have Russia as the bad guy since Christ has to save Judah?

Revelation has Judah chastised because of their fallen state, Armageddon.

Personally I believe they will have their Christ, the Antichrist and per Daniel he won’t be taken out until Ancient of Days does it. He then gives this world to “one like the Son of man”..

But what do I know, I know I don’t read Gileadi, unless it’s a part of someone’s post here on the forum.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 5:16 pm
unless it’s a part of someone’s post here on the forum.

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 6:44 pm

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 5:16 pm

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 6:35 pm Isaiah 7
The Situation
This chapter is macro in nature at the beginning.

In the ancient setting, King Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah were being threatened by the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria. Isaiah was commanded by the Lord to go to a spot on the road to the laundry plaza by the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Reservoir to counsel the king to trust in the Lord, although the Lord and Isaiah knew that Ahaz wouldn't listen. Rather than trust in the Lord, King Ahaz turned to the King of Assyria for help. Isaiah was also commanded to take his son, A Remnant Shall Repent, to meet with the king as a witness that the children of Israel would be taken captive yet some would return.

Isaiah delivered his message to King Ahaz, telling him not to worry because the Kingdom of Israel (Ephraim) and Syria shortly would no longer be in existence (the number of years given is 65, although Gileadi feels that was an error on the part of the scribe and was probably six or five years).

Isaiah then chides King Ahaz for his disbelief saying, "But as surely as Samaria is the capital of Ephraim and the son of Remaliah the head of Samaria, you will not believe it, because you are not loyal."

Ahaz is then asked to choose a sign and he piously and hypocritically refuses to. Isaiah then tells him that his own son soon to be born, Hezekiah, will be his sign and that his mother will call him Immanuel.

How does this translate to latter times? The prophecy seems to be about the house of Judah and the house of David. Granted, it is believed by some that Joseph Smith was a descendant of Christ (when he said no man knows my history, he was referring to his family history), but I don't believe this prophecy refers to the Latter-day Saints. I believe it refers to the Jews.

When the modern state of Israel was founded in 1948 it had many enemies. In order to protect itself Israel entered into an alliance with the USSR (Assyria) which provided weapons to Israel so that Israel could protect itself against Lebanon (Ephraim) and Syria. Eventually relations between Israel and the USSR broke down in the mid to late 60's and were only restored at the end of the Cold War.

It seems clear that Russia (Assyria) will lead the alliance against Israel which will bring on Armageddon. That is what it means when it says that there will be bees from Assyria. The flies from Egypt, to me, seem to imply that pestilence of some type will be used against Israel. Since Egypt in Isaiah refers to the United States of seems that this must refer to some sort of bioweapon that somehow comes against Israel (and likely we in the United States, as well).

Who is the child? This prophecy, besides referring to Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, is also obviously about Christ. It is likely that the return of Christ to save the Jews will be the fulfillment of this prophecy in the Last Days.

The Effect
The nation of Israel is mostly destroyed. Only a few survive to rebuild. The land turns fallow and wildlife is hunted where once there were fields.

What We Should Do
Be loyal to Jehovah and remember the promises of the Lord.

You are putting a lot of perceived faith on a fallen people…

I don’t see anything about the Antichrist in there.

By your interpretation (why I said perceived) it seems you have Russia as the bad guy since Christ has to save Judah?

Revelation has Judah chastised because of their fallen state, Armageddon.

Personally I believe they will have their Christ, the Antichrist and per Daniel he won’t be taken out until Ancient of Days does it. He then gives this world to “one like the Son of man”..

But what do I know, I know I don’t read Gileadi, unless it’s a part of someone’s post here on the forum.

Russia isn't the "bad guy" per se, although they are wicked as well, the United States is. It is Egypt in Isaiah's prophecy and it is punished by the Lord because of its extreme wickedness and through that punishment is healed.

The Antichrist isn't mentioned by title in Isaiah, although he is probably referenced to in Isaiah 57, and he or his ilk are referred to in Isaiah 64-66. However, I personally believe that the Antichrist is Lucifer, also known as Satan. The little horn on Daniel I believe to be Barak Obama because he doesn't regard women and he has destroyed many through peace.

I believe the man of sin or destruction mentioned in 2 Thessalonians is our will be a president of the Church, for who else can sit in the temple of God as of he is God. I think President Nelson is an excellent candidate for that, but we shall see.

The beast and the false prophet mentioned as being cast into fire in the Book of Revelation I don't know, but the Pope is a wicked man that might qualify as a false prophet. The beast mentioned in Revelation is not one man but represents the worldwide political machine that the whore, or the cabal, uses to oppress the people of the Earth.

It is true that the King of Assyria, or the president of Russia, will be an Antichrist for he and, possibly, his successor will oppose the Lord both here in North America and in the Middle East.