LDS Freedom Forum

Trucker wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 6:17 pm Posted an hour ago

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 9:26 am

mudflap wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 8:04 am Hmmm.

Is it

"Every politician who hates Tim Ballard is a Pedo"

?

or am I jumping the gun here....

?

You seem facetious, however I still don't think it's that simple.

As I've said a few times, I'm not a fan of Tim Ballard. I've never been a fan of his. I don't trust him and I don't think he is completely sincere, although I can't judge his heart. Everything I've seen lately shows that this was probably the correct position to take: the large salary, the OUR mission sex nonsense, etc.

However, that doesn't mean that Tim Ballard is devoid of all morals or that he doesn't have some good intent. It probably doesn't take too much to end up on the Cabal 's bad side.

So, I don't think that the move to smear TB (however true that is) is driven by pure intent. I suspect that what Go El wrote is correct. That it was Mitt Romney and Gordon Bowen trying to keep the Senate seat in "moderate" hands.

Are all politicians pedophiles? Well, think about Jeffrey Epstein and all the people he compromised. From what I've heard Epstein was just the one that was sloppy enough and not evil enough that he got caught. Politicians a plenty are compromised. It need not be all of them, and in fact it might be optimal if it isn't since it's easy to hide behind the unwitting.

My final take is this: Gordon Bowen is a wicked man so if he's on the other side of this then this whole thing is nefarious. And the fact that, by multiple accounts and by Russ Ballard's own mouth (Ballard calls him his prodigal son), Gordon Bowen associates with members of the Quorum of the Twelve is all anyone should need to know about the leadership of the Church. They are on the wrong side, at least (too) many of them.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 1:33 pm Amazing.
I have no idea what to think.
I watched the Jimmy Rex video and it seemed like a fair and balanced view.
What you’ve posted here would make sense too.

Telavian wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:23 pm I ultimately don't really know what is true about Tim. I can certainly imagine that some of the allegations are true, however again I don't know.

I think the overall problem though is that *many* people think of him as some kind of superhero, or demi-god of sorts. I have some friends who were in his ward a few years ago and they told me point blank that they thought he was on the same level as Joseph Smith. They said he would rather die than cheat on his wife.

If what the media is claiming is true, then I think it is a prime example of how people can have multiple personas based on the situation. He can appear to be different people to different groups and can use this as a form of manipulation. I personally saw this with my brother. He was a master manipulator and I got in trouble numerous times growing up because of his antics. There was nothing I could do to prove my innocence.

mudflap wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:26 pm

Atrasado wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 9:26 am

mudflap wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 8:04 am Hmmm.

Is it

"Every politician who hates Tim Ballard is a Pedo"

?

or am I jumping the gun here....

?

You seem facetious, however I still don't think it's that simple.

As I've said a few times, I'm not a fan of Tim Ballard. I've never been a fan of his. I don't trust him and I don't think he is completely sincere, although I can't judge his heart. Everything I've seen lately shows that this was probably the correct position to take: the large salary, the OUR mission sex nonsense, etc.

However, that doesn't mean that Tim Ballard is devoid of all morals or that he doesn't have some good intent. It probably doesn't take too much to end up on the Cabal 's bad side.

So, I don't think that the move to smear TB (however true that is) is driven by pure intent. I suspect that what Go El wrote is correct. That it was Mitt Romney and Gordon Bowen trying to keep the Senate seat in "moderate" hands.

Are all politicians pedophiles? Well, think about Jeffrey Epstein and all the people he compromised. From what I've heard Epstein was just the one that was sloppy enough and not evil enough that he got caught. Politicians a plenty are compromised. It need not be all of them, and in fact it might be optimal if it isn't since it's easy to hide behind the unwitting.

My final take is this: Gordon Bowen is a wicked man so if he's on the other side of this then this whole thing is nefarious. And the fact that, by multiple accounts and by Russ Ballard's own mouth (Ballard calls him his prodigal son), Gordon Bowen associates with members of the Quorum of the Twelve is all anyone should need to know about the leadership of the Church. They are on the wrong side, at least (too) many of them.

I might have been facetious, but we still don't know who was on Epstein's client list. All the big critics of The Sound of Freedom turned out to have some connection to sex trafficking (either covering for it, or had something to hide themselves), so....maybe it's not facetious.

Nevervaxxed wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:44 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 1:33 pm Amazing.
I have no idea what to think.
I watched the Jimmy Rex video and it seemed like a fair and balanced view.
What you’ve posted here would make sense too.

This. I want to believe Tim, but both Rex and Moutos are very credible to me... I have even defended Tim on here to some degree, but the preponderance of evidence seems to be tilting against him... at this point I think I will just keep an open mind, but I will not accept ANYTHING as fact from the "Minor Attracked Persons" supporting VICE articles... we shall see. FYI, I do know of a very strong conservative that told me she was planning on running for Romney's seat, but she told me this before the Ballard accustations and his proported run for the senate became public, so maybe she's changed her mind? Her name is Caroline Fippen, and she is a stalwart for conservative politics in Utah - in my opinion.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 3:33 pm I think someone may have posted a link to a rumble video about Gorden Bowen’s sexual child abuse stuff somewhere on the forum. I just watched it on 1830 goel’s rumble channel. It’s definitely horrible and disgusting stuff. Why is the church associating with him?

Also off topic a bit, but the church needs to put something in place for when old men get dementia or health problems that prevent them from serving. Apparently M. Russell Ballard has dementia. He’s the acting president of the quorum of the twelve!! What are they doing? And how many of them are suffering from dementia or something else?

tmac wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 4:10 pm

Trucker wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 4:05 pm From the article:

"However, there is no good or reasonable explanation for Tim Ballard to take any woman posing as his wife along on a sex trafficking sting or raid. The goal of any sting operation is to obtain information, apprehensions, and convictions with minimal complication or risk. There is no tactical reason for a man posing as a sex trafficker to bring his wife along for the ride. "

There actually is, and the reason is that when he would go to these seedy places he would be expected to partake in carnal activities. By bring a "wife" he would avoid having to do that and instead "do it" with his "wife." She would say she didn't want him doing anything with another woman, so they would leave him alone.

All reasonable fodder for speculation, but that’s about all. According to JR, who says he went on about 12 ops, the vast majority of the time they were dealing with the lowest level, most rinky-dink operators imaginable. The myriad of inconsistencies are becoming legion.

Nevervaxxed wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:44 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 1:33 pm Amazing.
I have no idea what to think.
I watched the Jimmy Rex video and it seemed like a fair and balanced view.
What you’ve posted here would make sense too.

This. I want to believe Tim, but both Rex and Moutos are very credible to me... I have even defended Tim on here to some degree, but the preponderance of evidence seems to be tilting against him... at this point I think I will just keep an open mind, but I will not accept ANYTHING as fact from the "Minor Attracked Persons" supporting VICE articles... we shall see. FYI, I do know of a very strong conservative that told me she was planning on running for Romney's seat, but she told me this before the Ballard accustations and his proported run for the senate became public, so maybe she's changed her mind? Her name is Caroline Fippen, and she is a stalwart for conservative politics in Utah - in my opinion.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 11:28 am

Trucker wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 6:17 pm Posted an hour ago

Eric Moutsos posted this 12 hours ago. It sounds like some of this sex happened during training and they used EB's name to tell victims it was fine to make this sacrifice to save kids. Eric makes the point that Tim knew this stuff was coming out against him and only then did he start talking about a senate to make people think he's the target of a political hit job. Eric originally came out defending Tim and was upset with what the church did. That's when a woman contacted him and now several have. This ex cop and friend of Tim B apparently finds their stories credible. Eric as most know came out strongly against lockdowns so I tend to trust him. Although trusting in men often causes me issues I can say I trust Eric more than Tim because of Tim's own words.
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Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 5:33 pm A good friend of mine suggest I follow EM so I did. I looked forward to seeing his posts & “liked” all of them! He then started following me, even though I rarely post politically leaning things except for my stories. Shortly after he messaged me on IG very late one night marketing his supplements. I honestly thought it was weird and blew him off. I’m over the grifting. I don’t live in UT & I’m very glad about that. Far too many people are taken advantage of by slick salesmen from church. Did you know that UT has 3X more financial schemes than every other state?