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FrankOne wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 3:21 pm I just tried to get a straight answer in a lengthy debate with the AI bot.

question was if ezekial 14:9 applied to RMN which clearly states that a prophet can be deceived and mislead the members.

in brief, it said that the scripture was for those times. and then quoted WWoodruff about prophets can't be mislead and told me that it was church doctrine.

I pointed out that wilfordW was a prophet and could then be deceived. it went on with a bunch of hooey.

I then pointed out that the scripture was clear that it didn't apply to any specific prophet and it agreed!

So, using that, I tried to get it to admit that there was a conflict between church doctrine and the word of God. It went in circles. ...again.

So, I point blank asked it if it was programmed to use circular logic to avoid acknowledging discrepancies between church doctrine and the scriptures and it responded with "have a nice day". When it loses a debate.....it's ...see ya, bye bye!

I would post the discussion, but it was very lengthy.

FrankOne wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 3:21 pm I just tried to get a straight answer in a lengthy debate with the AI bot.

question was if ezekial 14:9 applied to RMN which clearly states that a prophet can be deceived and mislead the members.

in brief, it said that the scripture was for those times. and then quoted WWoodruff about prophets can't be mislead and told me that it was church doctrine.

I pointed out that wilfordW was a prophet and could then be deceived. it went on with a bunch of hooey.

I then pointed out that the scripture was clear that it didn't apply to any specific prophet and it agreed!

So, using that, I tried to get it to admit that there was a conflict between church doctrine and the word of God. It went in circles. ...again.

So, I point blank asked it if it was programmed to use circular logic to avoid acknowledging discrepancies between church doctrine and the scriptures and it responded with "have a nice day". When it loses a debate.....it's ...see ya, bye bye!

I would post the discussion, but it was very lengthy.

FrankOne wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 3:21 pm So, I point blank asked it if it was programmed to use circular logic to avoid acknowledging discrepancies between church doctrine and the scriptures and it responded with "have a nice day". When it loses a debate.....it's ...see ya, bye bye!

Original_Intent wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 4:11 pmI was truly amazed at the programming that it could not see any logical problems..

Silver Pie wrote: ↑October 6th, 2023, 2:31 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 4:11 pmI was truly amazed at the programming that it could not see any logical problems..

I suspect it is only as logical as its programmers.

Silver Pie wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 4:48 pm

Luke wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 7:01 am 86B91DAC-C657-4CBB-BF21-497011195E0F.jpeg

Sounds like the AI needs more work. It seems to be far from comprehensive. I'm actually surprised that info hasn't been programmed into it yet.

I see. Unfortunately, I'm not able to look up specific conferences or talks to see who discussed the concept of timing three times during a General Conference address in 2005. But General Conference talks often discuss matters such as timing in relation to life decisions, preparation for the Second Coming, prudent living, and other areas of Church life. Is there a specific topic or context related to this you would like to discuss?

In the Doctrine and Covenants, a book of Latter-day Saint scriptures, it states that bishops should be married, specifically, "the husband of one wife" (Doctrine and Covenants 42:42). This is typically interpreted to mean that a bishop should be a married man. This guidance helps a bishop have the empathy and understanding to counsel and support members of his congregation who are dealing with marital and family issues. However, in the church today, a bishop does not necessarily need to be married. Unmarried men can serve as bishops, though it is somewhat rare. Remember that the Lord qualifies whom He calls, and the most important qualities for any church leader are pure love, empathy, and the ability to serve and uplift others.

FrankOne wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 3:21 pm So, I point blank asked it if it was programmed to use circular logic to avoid acknowledging discrepancies between church doctrine and the scriptures and it responded with "have a nice day". When it loses a debate.....it's ...see ya, bye bye!

ldsbot wrote:First off, it sounds like you have a real passion for exploring language and numerology, pretty neat!

The assigning of numerical value to Hebrew characters is a practice known as Gematria, which traces its roots back to the ancient Semitic languages such as Hebrew and Aramaic. Hebrew numerals were used in timekeeping, trade, and other everyday contexts, and can be seen in the writing of the time, including the Hebrew Bible.

The more mystical interpretations and practices that typically come to mind when we think of Gematria likely came later, but it's really hard to pin down an exact timeline. These kinds of interpretations are often a part of Jewish mystical traditions like Kabbalah, which saw significant development around the 12th century.

So, in short, the original Hebrew writers likely were aware of the numerical equivalent of the letters when they were writing, as it was a common practice for various useful applications in their day-to-day life. Whether they imbued those numbers with additional mystical or symbolic meaning can be trickier to know, as that might have varied wildly based on the writer and the cultural context of the time.

One of the cool things about studying ancient scriptures and languages is seeing how they've developed and changed over time, and how different people and cultures have interpreted them. And it sounds like with your interest in counting the numerical value of English alphabets, you're part of that long tradition of people finding new insights in written words!