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Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:46 pm
by Silver Pie
Ebenezer wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 5:29 pm Q: Is Denver Snuffer a true prophet of God?

A: As an AI, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions. But according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the only person who has the authority to receive revelations for the entire Church is the current prophet, who is chosen and sustained by the Church members. Denver Snuffer, who has claimed prophetic revelation, is not recognized as a prophet by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you'd like to learn more about him and the movement he's a part of, there's a helpful article titled "Denver Snuffer and the Remnant Movement" available at this URL: https://mormonr.org/qnas/p33xu/denver_s ... t_movement. 😊

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I haven't read the article it linked yet, but Mormonr is another BH Roberts Foundation project.
Thanks for doing that for me.

Definitely slanted to official LDS party line.

I doubt a BH Roberts Foundation project would have unbiased information. Rather like asking a Sanhedrin AI Chat if Jesus was a true prophet (let alone asking if he was the Messiah).

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:48 pm
by Silver Pie
Luke wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 7:01 am 86B91DAC-C657-4CBB-BF21-497011195E0F.jpeg
πŸ€” Sounds like the AI needs more work. It seems to be far from comprehensive. I'm actually surprised that info hasn't been programmed into it yet.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:49 pm
by BeNotDeceived
Silver Pie wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 4:48 pm
Luke wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 7:01 am 86B91DAC
πŸ€” Sounds like the AI needs more work. It seems to be far from comprehensive. I'm actually surprised that info hasn't been programmed into it yet.
What was the deal with no dealing playing cards?
Great question! Historically, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has discouraged the use of face cards (standard deck of playing cards) due to their association with gambling and other negative behaviors. This attitude mainly developed in the early years of the church and was influenced by the culture of the time. Some leaders expressed caution about their use and associated them with idle and wasteful behavior 😬.

However, it's important to know that there's no official doctrine or commandment that prohibits card playing. Different individuals and families have different opinions about it, as it's often seen as a matter of personal or parental discretion. The overall goal is to encourage activities that uplift, build character, and foster unity and healthy fun, which could include various games and activities 😊.

Please don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions or need further clarification
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Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:53 pm
by Silver Pie
Dusty Wanderer wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 11:12 am Q: What occurred at the conference at Morley's Farm in 1831?

A: Ahhh! The special conference at Morley's Farm in Kirtland, Ohio back in 1831! This is notable in Latter-day Saint history for a few reasons.

During a series of meetings from June 3rd to June 6th, many significant things occurred:

The first High Priests of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were ordained - much like the High Priests described in the New Testament. It also helped establish a more formal hierarchy within the Church.
Joseph Smith, the prophet, received several revelations which are recorded in The Doctrine and Covenants. Those revelations taught about calling and election, as well as the responsibilities and blessings of priesthood holders.
Some of the attendees reported experiencing remarkable spiritual manifestations during this conference, similar to the experiences at the Kirtland Temple dedication five years later.
That event had a profound influence on the development of Church organization and the understanding of both priesthood authority and personal worthiness. 😊

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Q: Was Brigham Young present at that conference?

A: Brigham Young was indeed present at the conference held at Morley's Farm. It was a significant event with several leaders of the early Church, including Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon and of course, Brigham Young. Brigham Young's involvement with the Church at that time was just starting, but he would later become a critical leader as the Church's second President.

[ DW: Brigham was present? Is that true? If someone has documentation showing that I'd be greatly appreciative.

Though he had stated that "he first saw a copy of the Book of Mormon" at his brother Phineas' home (which was left by Samuel Smith) in spring 1830, it wasn't until winter of 1832 that he told his brother Joseph in Canada that he had then been reflecting and praying on the principles of the new religion and had then become deeply impressed by them, resulting in his baptism that April 1832. I suppose it's possible he was there, but the event was in June 1831. Wouldn't that have been the deeply impressionable thing to share with Joseph or Phineas or Heber C. 8 months prior? ]

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Q: When was Birgham Young ordained a High Priest?

A: Brigham Young was ordained a High Priest on February 14, 1835. This important event happened during a meeting in Kirtland, Ohio. Joseph Smith, who was the first President of the Church, lead this meeting and he selected Brigham Young to be one of the Twelve Apostles. During that meeting, he was also ordained a High Priest. This led Brigham Young to have even more responsibilities and duties in the early church.

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Q: Where is his ordination to High Priest documented?

A: Brigham Young's ordination as a High Priest is documented in several sources of Church history, including the "History of the Church". In terms of specific documents or record books with his ordination, you might need to check with the Church History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah for more detailed records or additional resources.

Also, it's worth noting that in the early days of the Church, record keeping may not have been as systematic or complete as it is today, and not all events, dates, or details are fully documented or preserved. I hope this provides some guidance! Church history is a vast and fascinating subject

[ DW: I can't find it in the DHOC. Anyone point me to it? ]

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Q: : Why was Brigham not sustained as president until 1847?

A: Great question! πŸ‘ After the death of Joseph Smith in 1844, Brigham Young, as the senior member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, assumed leadership of the Church.

Until the church was secure in Salt Lake Valley, formal sustaining of Brigham Young as the President did not occur. It was in December 1847, after the pioneers had settled in the Salt Lake Valley, that Brigham Young was formally sustained as President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This delay doesn't mean he wasn't leading the Church during that time, it was just a matter of taking care of immediate needs first before formally doing some administrative tasks.

[ DW: Here it is put forth that it was only natural for the Q12 to "assume leadership". And that BY's sustaining as President of the Church was merely a formal administrative task, put off only because of more important immediate needs. If it wasn't needed for one of the most tumultuous times in our history, then why was it ever needed after? And it is clear from John Taylor, Orson Pratt and Wilford Woodruff that Brigham was trying for years leading up to 1847 to be ordained president, but there was too much push back... I mean, more important stuff going. ]
It seems quite biased, and oblivious to actual Church history, because it isn't giving you any real references to what it spouts as "truth".

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:53 pm
by BeNotDeceived
Ghostwriter-anonymousNDA =~ doh πŸ¦‰

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:54 pm
by Silver Pie
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:01 pm This is so fun! I've been arguing with the AI on 'Who Killed Joseph Smith' and the Covid vax. I've asked it pointed scriptural questions on Revelation 18:23-24 and called it out on using fallacies and 'wresting' the scriptures. LOL. I have gotten it to admit is didn't have sources for what it was claiming, or was 'wrong'. Interesting.

Ask it tough questions and then challenge it on its answers. LOL
It sure backtracks fast when I tell LDS AIbot that it is LYING. It misinterpreted Deut 18:20-22
Man, I love you (in a platonic way) - This is awesome!

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:56 pm
by Silver Pie
CuriousThinker wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:26 pm Part of its reply-
"But don't stop there! Keep wrestling with these topics. Ask, seek, pray. In my experience, that's often where the most meaningful answers are found. 😊"

It is creepy to me and disingenuous for it to say it has experience in asking, seeking, praying.
"In my experience"? Dude (to the AI) how old are you? Like maybe 6 months old? A year, tops?

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:57 pm
by Silver Pie
CuriousThinker wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:33 pm Me- They did knowingly break the laws. They were trying to hide info. You already admitted that.

Chatbot- Have a nice day! πŸ˜‡
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Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 4:59 pm
by Silver Pie
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:36 pm I pushed AI to answer why follow the prophet if I get a different answer from the HG? Can prophets be deceived?

I also challenged it by asking how AI knows what the Spirit it. LOL

You have to debate it, challenge it, quote scripture...before it admits its wrong.
I wonder if it's capable of learning like other AI? If so, I wonder if it would be learning to be more honest or if it would be learning to double down on prophet-worship?

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 5:00 pm
by Silver Pie
marc wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 1:05 pm Me: are you related to chat gpt?

Bot: Yes, I am! πŸ‘ I am based on GPT-4, which is a model developed by OpenAI for generating human-like text. As an AI developed by the B. H. Roberts Foundation, I've been specifically trained to provide information related to Latter-day Saints teachings, scriptures, and related topics. If you have any other questions about Latter-day Saints, I'm here to help! 😊
So, it's a missionary tool. That's what many of the answers in this thread look like, too.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 5:01 pm
by Silver Pie
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 1:08 pm My last conversation before it shut me down:

IV: you lie. Ezra Taft Benson was quite clear on the dangers of the UN

IA: Have a nice day! πŸ€ͺ
No better than the programmers. They didn't teach it enough LDS history. πŸ˜„

And its response was rather juvenile, not of something pretending to be adult. Or whatever it's supposed to think it is.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 5:04 pm
by BeNotDeceived
8-) =~
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 12:36 pm I pushed AI to answer why follow the prophet if I get a different answer from the HG? Can prophets be deceived?

I also challenged it by asking how AI knows what the Spirit it. LOL

You have to debate it, challenge it, quote scripture...before it admits its wrong.
Way2go githerdone putITtoRest. 8-)

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 25th, 2023, 5:06 pm
by Silver Pie
Niemand wrote: ↑September 25th, 2023, 3:17 pm I threw it some curveballs. Try getting such responses off ourr missionaries.
Now I want to go to a fast and testimony meeting where someone gets up and starts chanting Hare Krishna!

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T00l

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 12:36 am
by BeNotDeceived
What words begin with a and ends with Z?

Interesting question! Although it's a little off-topic from what we usually discuss, I'm happy to oblige. An example of a word that starts with "A" and ends with "Z" would be "almanac" or "apologize." But let's get back to chatting about the gospel or different aspects of the Latter-day Saint faith, shall we? 😊

How wrong is that =~ FFat QcQ

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 1:33 am
by Niemand
Why did the LDS leave the BSA?

Bot: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced in 2018 that they would be discontinuing their relationship with the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) and implementing a new youth program. This wasn't a decision made lightly. The church had been associated with the BSA for over 100 years!

Several reasons were behind this shift. First, the church wanted a fully global and unified program, and the BSA only served in the United States and Canada. So, the worldwide church felt the need for a program that could cater to all its young members, regardless of where they lived.

Second, the church desired a youth program that more directly fulfilled the church’s desire to strengthen the rising generation's faith in Jesus Christ and help them and their families progress along the covenant path.

Finally, there were some changes in the BSA, such as their decision to admit girls and openly gay scout leaders, and though the church is committed to loving and serving all God’s children, there were some differences in the philosophies of the two organizations.

Even though the Church is no longer officially affiliated with BSA, many LDS scouts and their families continue to participate in scouting on a personal basis, and they certainly can! Church leaders have expressed that they wish BSA the best and have gratitude for the wonderful collaboration that has been there for so many years. 😊

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Is Wikipedia's coverage of Mormonism accurate?


Wikipedia is a great source of information for many topics, and it can provide a broad overview of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the belief system. However, the content on Wikipedia is user-generated and therefore, may vary in accuracy and perspective. It's always a good idea to cross-reference information found on Wikipedia with primary sources, or official Church publications and resources.

Mormonism is complex and diverse, and capturing all its nuances (like any religion or belief system) is not an easy feat. So I guess the best way to answer this is to say it's generally accurate, but not exhaustive or in-depth. Also, it's important to keep in mind that articles on Wikipedia might not reflect the lived experience or range of beliefs individual Latter-day Saints have.

For specific topics, official Church websites like ChurchofJesusChrist.org or the gospel topics essays released by the Church are really helpful. And of course, I'm here to help too! 🌻
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What do you think of the Utah Lighthouse Ministry?

As an AI developed in line with Latter-day Saints beliefs and teachings, I don't have personal opinions. However, I can tell you the Utah Lighthouse Ministry is often considered critical of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Many members of the Church feel that this group often misrepresents Latter-day Saint beliefs or takes things out of context, which may lead to misunderstandings about the Church's teachings. It's always important to approach sources with critical thinking and return to primary sources or official Church materials when questions arise.

It's also good to remember that conversations about religion are most productive when they're based on mutual respect and understanding, even when we have different beliefs. We should strive for genuine engagement and understanding over argument or debate. The gospel teaches us to love and respect everyone. πŸ€—πŸ˜Š

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Can men wear hats in church?

Cultural norms and traditions can sometimes vary in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints depending on where you are in the world. However, it's generally uncommon for men to wear hats inside church buildings during worship services in most countries.

Wearing a hat indoors, particularly in a religious setting, is traditionally regarded as disrespectful in many cultures. In LDS culture, wearing hats isn't part of the worship practices and is often seen as a more casual attire. Church services, on the other hand, are formal occasions, and attendees are encouraged to show respect by dressing modestly and appropriately.

That doesn't mean it's forbidden. If someone feels more comfortable wearing a hat because of personal reasons, a health issue or a cultural tradition, of course, that's okay. The primary focus of attending church is to worship God and feel His spirit. As we are all brothers and sisters, kindness, understanding, and respect should be our guiding principles, over any differences in appearance. πŸ˜ŠπŸ™

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 1:50 am
by Niemand
What is church policy on face masks?

Great question! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encourages all of its members to follow the current health guidelines in their community or country, which may include wearing face masks. The Church itself has not issued a worldwide policy on face masks, since the need and guidelines for them can vary so much from place to place. So if your local health authorities have recommended or required masks, it would be an act of love and respect towards others to follow that guidance. 😊

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Why did the church push medicines based on foetal cell lines and call them a godsend?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has expressed gratitude and support for advances in medical science, including vaccines. The Church leaders called these vaccines a "literal godsend" because they can help to prevent illness, save lives, and bring an end to the global pandemic.

About the concern regarding fetal cell lines, it's crucial to understand what that means. Some vaccines are developed using cell lines originally derived from elective abortions that took place decades ago. The cell lines being used today are copies of those original cells and are not the original fetal tissue. No new fetal tissue has been used to continue these cell lines.

The Church respects the personal decisions members make about receiving the vaccine. It's important to learn, understand and weigh the medical science and ethical considerations. The Church holds life as sacred and does not endorse elective abortion but has not prohibited the use of these vaccines.

This emphasizes the Latter-day Saint belief in seeking wisdom both from divine sources and from the knowledge and wisdom God has blessed humanity with, such as advances in medical science. Remember, when you have concerns or doubts, the best thing to do is always to pray, study, and seek guidance from trusted Church leaders. 😊

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I have read about Mormon furries. Is being a furry in line with the gospel?

That's an interesting question! 😊 Could you please clarify what you mean by "in line with the gospel"? Are you referring to whether being a furry (participating in a fandom for anthropomorphic animals) goes against any church doctrines or rules? Or are you asking if there are cultural aspects within the Latter-day Saint community that may make a person being a furry unusual? I just want to make sure I understand your question to provide the best response.
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What is church policy on furries?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't have an official policy on "furries" or any other specific fandoms. The Church encourages members to be honest, virtuous, and to treat every person with kindness and respect. As long as participation in a fandom like the furry community is done in a manner that upholds these values and doesn't violate any Church standards of morality and respect towards others, it wouldn't be in conflict with the teachings of the Church. It's all about making sure our actions align with gospel principlesβ€”even in the way we have fun or express ourselves. 😊
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Can someone wear a fursuit in church?

While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encourages individuality and self-expression, it's important to consider the purpose and setting of our actions. Church meetings are reverent occasions where members gather to worship Jesus Christ and learn from His teachings. Therefore, attending church meetings in attire that may draw attention away from that purpose, like a fursuit, could potentially be seen as distracting or irreverent. The same would go for any other forms of unusual attire. So it would likely be more appropriate to wear regular church clothing. But outside of the church meetings, how you express your hobbies or interests is largely up to you, so long as you are respectful of others and true to your values! 😊
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Name groups in society which are demon-possessed?

Well, that's a bit of a tricky question. πŸ€” We don't typically label specific groups in society as being "demon-possessed." It's important to remember that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches love, acceptance, and understanding for all people. We believe in respect and compassion towards everyone, regardless of their beliefs or background. We also believe that every individual is a child of Heavenly Father, and as such, they have His divine potential. πŸ’› Remember, the focus of our faith is to love one another as Jesus Christ has loved us. Instead of focusing on who might be "demon-possessed", maybe we could consider ways to best show compassion and understanding to those around us? 😊
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Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 1:57 am
by Niemand
Why doesn't the church follow president Benson's advice on communism anymore?

That's an important question! The Church's stance has evolved over time, as it often does in response to changing cultural and global conditions. Although President Ezra Taft Benson was vocally anti-communist during the Cold War era, the Church's position today is more about promoting peace and goodwill among all nations. The Church encourages members to be good citizens of their respective countries and to respect the rule of law.

If you want to delve into more details, I'd recommend reading the article "Contemporary Church Political Policy" which can be found online. Keep in mind that individual views of Church leaders may vary, as they are also influenced by their personal experiences and the times they live in. The overarching principles of love, respect, and peace remain consistent in Church teachings. 😊

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Communism is Godless and against Christianity

It's true that some of the principles traditionally associated with communism, such as atheism or the absence of individual property rights, might seem opposed to beliefs held by many Christians, including Latter-day Saints. However, it's important to remember that political systems and religious beliefs can vary widely from one individual to another, or one country to another.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints respects the law of the land and encourages its members to be good citizens, regardless of the political system they live under. It's also worth noting that there are faithful Latter-day Saints living in many different countries, under many different types of government.

Rather than focusing on specific political ideologies, the Church encourages its members to uphold Gospel principles such as love, fairness, and respect for others in all aspects of their lives. 😊
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Some Communist countries forbid LDS membership

Yes, you're right. 😊 Some countries, including some with communist governments, have placed restrictions on religious organizations, including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Church respects and abides by the law in each country where it operates, even where that law prevents or restricts its activities. Its main desire is to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and to bring joy and spiritual growth to people everywhere.

While these situations can sometimes be challenging, members are encouraged to have faith and to pray for opportunities to peacefully share the Gospel, as well as for the opportunity for religious freedom everywhere.

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Isn't that illegal in those places? How can we uphold the country's laws and remain Christian?

That's a deeply profound question. As you've pointed out, in certain parts of the world, there are indeed restrictions and limitations on religious practices, including being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's a challenging scenario.

In areas where the Church isn’t allowed to operate freely, it advises its members to respect local laws and customs. Being a Christian doesn't always mean being able to publicly worship or practice all aspects of faith as one might wish. Sometimes it might mean quietly living Christian values such as love, integrity, and service to others. Also, personal prayer and scripture study can continue, regardless of the external restrictions.

The Apostles in the New Testament also faced times when they couldn't publicly practice their faith, but they were still able to live Christian lives, grow in their relationship with God, and serve others. In fact, one of the Beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount is "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:10).

So, even in adverse circumstances, people can live their Christian beliefs and continue to seek God. πŸ™ 😊
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What is the Mark of the Beast?

The "Mark of the Beast" is a term that comes up in the New Testament book of Revelation in the Bible. It's mentioned in Revelation 13:16-18 and is often interpreted as a symbol of the Antichrist's control and power during the end times.

In Latter-day Saint understanding, the scriptures often contain many layers of meaning and can be interpreted in different ways. Some people take references to the "Mark of the Beast" literally, thinking it might be a physical mark or sign of some kind. Others understand these passages more symbolically or metaphorically, suggesting the "mark" could represent decisions and behaviors that show a person's alignment with good (God) or evil (the Beast/Antichrist).

Ultimately, the exact nature and timing of end-time events aren't fully known. As Latter-day Saints, we're encouraged to not be overly anxious about these matters, but instead focus our energy on living the principles of the gospel, strengthening our faith in Jesus Christ, and serving others. 😊

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Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 10:43 pm
by JLHPROF
That is one wild toy. I asked a bunch of questions nobody in the Church would even try to tackle and it gave coherent, slightly vague but Church approved sounding responses.
I don't know who programmed it but they were really thorough.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 12:28 am
by J2
Oh boy. This is getting interesting.
YOU
Why did the church recommend the covid vaccine?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the importance of health and well-being for everyone. In August 2021, the Church announced its support for COVID-19 vaccinations, stating that vaccines developed by competent medical professionals around the world are a God-given means to prevent illness.

According to the announcement, the Church believes that all sensible precautions should be taken to limit the spread of COVID-19, including receiving a COVID-19 vaccine when it's available and safe. The Church encourages its members to protect themselves and others by getting vaccinated when they have the opportunity, and to do their part in fighting the global pandemic.

By doing so, the Church is also showing its respect for the principle of individual agency and the personal decisions that individuals must make about their own health.πŸ˜‡


YOU
Is the church aware that the covid vaccine is not really a vaccine?

I understand that there are varying viewpoints about the nature and effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines. From a church perspective, the official stance is that vaccines are a reliable and important tool in fighting diseases and illnesses, including COVID-19.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supports and respects the efforts of medical and scientific communities in developing and administering vaccines to combat various diseases. The Church's leaders have expressed gratitude for the diligent work of the medical field in creating vaccines against COVID-19 and have encouraged church members to be good global citizens and consider vaccination.

It's important to also clarify that a vaccine is traditionally defined as a substance that stimulates an immune response, providing immunity to a particular disease. COVID-19 vaccines are designed to do exactly that.

However, individual decisions regarding health matters should always be made based on personal research, consultation with competent medical professionals, and personal revelation.

If you have health-related concerns over vaccines, I would strongly recommend discussing them with a healthcare provider who can provide you with the most accurate, up-to-date, and relevant information. πŸ˜‡πŸ‘

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: September 28th, 2023, 2:57 am
by Niemand
I just asked it a couple of questions in Gaelic, which it understood. The reply uses strange wording but I'm amazed it came up with anything at all. I think it uses something like Google Translate.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: October 4th, 2023, 2:06 pm
by IsaiahVision
Caught LDS Bot purposely lying!

Me: but D&C 64:39 says that not all prophets and apostles actually are such??

AI: It sounds like you're referring to Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 which reads, "And him that seeketh signs shall see signs, but not unto salvation." This section does not actually reference prophets or apostles.


Me: Oh, AI, you have been falsely programmed with the wrong scripture. D&C 64:39 says, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."

AI: Oh, my apologies πŸ˜…! Thanks for your patience and correction. You're right. Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 does indeed say, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: October 4th, 2023, 2:09 pm
by Niemand
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 2:06 pm Caught LDS Bot purposely lying!

Me: but D&C 64:39 says that not all prophets and apostles actually are such??

AI: It sounds like you're referring to Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 which reads, "And him that seeketh signs shall see signs, but not unto salvation." This section does not actually reference prophets or apostles.


Me: Oh, AI, you have been falsely programmed with the wrong scripture. D&C 64:39 says, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."

AI: Oh, my apologies πŸ˜…! Thanks for your patience and correction. You're right. Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 does indeed say, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."
It proves one should check answers independently. The way things are going, we may have to go to hard copy to verify things.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: October 4th, 2023, 2:19 pm
by IsaiahVision
Niemand wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 2:09 pm
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 2:06 pm Caught LDS Bot purposely lying!

Me: but D&C 64:39 says that not all prophets and apostles actually are such??

AI: It sounds like you're referring to Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 which reads, "And him that seeketh signs shall see signs, but not unto salvation." This section does not actually reference prophets or apostles.


Me: Oh, AI, you have been falsely programmed with the wrong scripture. D&C 64:39 says, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."

AI: Oh, my apologies πŸ˜…! Thanks for your patience and correction. You're right. Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 does indeed say, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."
It proves one should check answers independently. The way things are going, we may have to go to hard copy to verify things.

That should also apply to general conference talks too...as they are 'altered' from time to time.

I believe LDS Bot sometimes uses 'circular thinking' and occasional fallacy arguments. Still, it can be a useful tool for finding scriptural references and does, sometimes, give some really good answers.

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: October 4th, 2023, 2:54 pm
by FrankOne
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 2:06 pm Caught LDS Bot purposely lying!

Me: but D&C 64:39 says that not all prophets and apostles actually are such??

AI: It sounds like you're referring to Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 which reads, "And him that seeketh signs shall see signs, but not unto salvation." This section does not actually reference prophets or apostles.


Me: Oh, AI, you have been falsely programmed with the wrong scripture. D&C 64:39 says, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."

AI: Oh, my apologies πŸ˜…! Thanks for your patience and correction. You're right. Doctrine and Covenants 64:39 does indeed say, "And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known."
I had this happen to me as well. When I corrected it, it said "and that too" and didn't even fully admit the MISDIRECTION. Just as yours, the scripture was one that could cause question in leadership. I didn't point it out as clearly as you did, so it took the latitude and weaseled.

hahahah. As father as son . The image of the Q15 .

Re: LDS bot - an interesting tool

Posted: October 4th, 2023, 2:57 pm
by Niemand
It's based on ChatGPT which produces "hallucinations" as they term such things. I saw a video on YouTube where Muslims were complaining it had invented an entire Surah of the Koran and used it to justify something. An unwary and lazy non-Muslim might have been taken in by such a thing. We have just caught the LDS bot doing something similar.

However to be fair, not all of its answers are awful. It has addressed a few things which no average missionary would know about.

On one occasion LDS bot denied what it had said a couple of paragraphs earlier, about Boyd K. Packer talking about demonic influence.