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That is dealing with the law of Moses not Torah. Broken Heart and contrite spirit has always been part of Torah. Not to mention BoM prophets show that Torah is still valid after the death and resurrection of Yeshua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUl1lc ... n&index=35. In addition the scriptures say FOR EVER not up to a certain time.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.SJR3t2 wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 1:59 pmThat is dealing with the law of Moses not Torah. Broken Heart and contrite spirit has always been part of Torah. Not to mention BoM prophets show that Torah is still valid after the death and resurrection of Yeshua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUl1lc ... n&index=35. In addition the scriptures say FOR EVER not up to a certain time.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
3 Nephi (LDS 9:14-22) (RLDS 4:42-52)
AA 14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto Me
AB ye shall have eternal life.
A-B Behold, Mine arm of mercy is extended towards you,
AA and whosoever will come, him will I receive;
AB and blessed are those who come unto Me.
-BA 15 Behold, I am Jesus [Yeshua] Christ [the Messiah] the Son of God [Elohim].
-B-B I created the heavens and the earth,
-B--C and all things that in them are.
-B-B I was with the Father from the beginning.
-BA I am in the Father, and the Father in me;
-BB and in me hath the Father glorified His name.
--CA 16 I came unto My own,
--CB and My own received Me not.
---DA And the scriptures concerning My coming [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME] are fulfilled.
---D-B 17 And as many as have received Me,
---D--C to them have I given
---D---D to become the sons of God [Elohim];
---D--C and even so will I
---D-B to as many as shall believe on My name [authority],
---DAA for behold, by Me redemption cometh,
---DAB and in me is the law of Moses [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME] fulfilled.
----EA 18 I am the light and the life of the world.
----EB I am Alpha and Omega,
----EC the beginning and the end.
---DA 19 And ye shall offer up unto Me no more
---D-B the shedding of blood [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME];
---D-B yea, your SACRIFICES and your BURNT OFFERINGS [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME]
---DAA shall be done away,
---DA-B for I will accept none
---DAA of your SACRIFICES and your BURNT OFFERINGS [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME].
--CAA 20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit.
--CAB And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit,
--CBA him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost,
--CB-B even as the Lamanites,
--CB-B because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion,
--CBA were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
-BA 21 Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world,
-BB to save the world from sin.
AA 22 Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto Me as a little child,
AB him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God [Elohim].
A-B Behold, for such I have laid down My life [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME],
A-B and have taken it up again;
AA therefore repent, and come unto Me ye ends of the earth,
AB and be saved.
βIt will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
No true disciple will ever sacrifice an animal againLuke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 2:30 pmβIt will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.β β Joseph Smith (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith <5 October 1840> page 172)
β. . . those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.βnightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 3:17 pmNo true disciple will ever sacrifice an animal againLuke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 2:30 pmβIt will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.β β Joseph Smith (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith <5 October 1840> page 172)
Doesn't matter whose journal you quote
Everything that had to do with priesthood ordinance before Christ were about Christ coming
You think people will be slitting the throats of animals during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ? How about after the millennium, think people will be doing this?
Think
This makes those ordinances not eternal because we will not eternally do them.
There is no death in heaven
Lol weakLuke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 3:34 pmβ. . . those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.βnightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 3:17 pmNo true disciple will ever sacrifice an animal againLuke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 2:30 pm
βIt will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.
The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.β β Joseph Smith (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith <5 October 1840> page 172)
Doesn't matter whose journal you quote
Everything that had to do with priesthood ordinance before Christ were about Christ coming
You think people will be slitting the throats of animals during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ? How about after the millennium, think people will be doing this?
Think
This makes those ordinances not eternal because we will not eternally do them.
There is no death in heaven
How is it weak? Itβs exactly what you just did. We all appeal to something to back up our arguments.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:02 pmLol weakLuke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 3:34 pmβ. . . those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.βnightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 3:17 pm
No true disciple will ever sacrifice an animal again
Doesn't matter whose journal you quote
Everything that had to do with priesthood ordinance before Christ were about Christ coming
You think people will be slitting the throats of animals during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ? How about after the millennium, think people will be doing this?
Think
This makes those ordinances not eternal because we will not eternally do them.
There is no death in heaven
"The appeal to authority fallacy is a type of informal fallacy that occurs when someone uses the authority, reputation, or expertise of a person or a source as the sole or primary reason to support their argument, without providing any other evidence or reasoning."
No.......Luke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:12 pmHow is it weak? Itβs exactly what you just did. We all appeal to something to back up our arguments.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:02 pmLol weak
"The appeal to authority fallacy is a type of informal fallacy that occurs when someone uses the authority, reputation, or expertise of a person or a source as the sole or primary reason to support their argument, without providing any other evidence or reasoning."
Yeah, you said thatβ¦ based on your extrapolations from the passage of Scripture you quoted.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:43 pmNo.......Luke wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:12 pmHow is it weak? Itβs exactly what you just did. We all appeal to something to back up our arguments.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 4:02 pm
Lol weak
"The appeal to authority fallacy is a type of informal fallacy that occurs when someone uses the authority, reputation, or expertise of a person or a source as the sole or primary reason to support their argument, without providing any other evidence or reasoning."
I SAID:
"Everything that had to do with priesthood ordinance before Christ were about Christ coming
You think people will be slitting the throats of animals during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ? How about after the millennium, think people will be doing this?
Think
This makes those ordinances not eternal because we will not eternally do them.
There is no death in heaven"
take things out of context to your destruction. BoM shows in tons of passages that Torah is still valid after Yeshua's death and resurrection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUl1lc ... n&index=35nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 2:13 pmyour sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.SJR3t2 wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 1:59 pmThat is dealing with the law of Moses not Torah. Broken Heart and contrite spirit has always been part of Torah. Not to mention BoM prophets show that Torah is still valid after the death and resurrection of Yeshua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUl1lc ... n&index=35. In addition the scriptures say FOR EVER not up to a certain time.nightlight wrote: βSeptember 23rd, 2023, 11:39 am The op is burning nonsense to nothing
3Nephi
18] I am the light and the life of the world. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
[19] And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none of your sacrifices and your burnt offerings.
[20] And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
[21] Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world, to save the world from sin.
[22] Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God. Behold, for such I have laid down my life, and have taken it up again; therefore repent, and come unto me ye ends of the earth, and be saved.
3 Nephi (LDS 9:14-22) (RLDS 4:42-52)
AA 14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto Me
AB ye shall have eternal life.
A-B Behold, Mine arm of mercy is extended towards you,
AA and whosoever will come, him will I receive;
AB and blessed are those who come unto Me.
-BA 15 Behold, I am Jesus [Yeshua] Christ [the Messiah] the Son of God [Elohim].
-B-B I created the heavens and the earth,
-B--C and all things that in them are.
-B-B I was with the Father from the beginning.
-BA I am in the Father, and the Father in me;
-BB and in me hath the Father glorified His name.
--CA 16 I came unto My own,
--CB and My own received Me not.
---DA And the scriptures concerning My coming [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME] are fulfilled.
---D-B 17 And as many as have received Me,
---D--C to them have I given
---D---D to become the sons of God [Elohim];
---D--C and even so will I
---D-B to as many as shall believe on My name [authority],
---DAA for behold, by Me redemption cometh,
---DAB and in me is the law of Moses [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME] fulfilled.
----EA 18 I am the light and the life of the world.
----EB I am Alpha and Omega,
----EC the beginning and the end.
---DA 19 And ye shall offer up unto Me no more
---D-B the shedding of blood [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME];
---D-B yea, your SACRIFICES and your BURNT OFFERINGS [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME]
---DAA shall be done away,
---DA-B for I will accept none
---DAA of your SACRIFICES and your BURNT OFFERINGS [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME].
--CAA 20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit.
--CAB And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit,
--CBA him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost,
--CB-B even as the Lamanites,
--CB-B because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion,
--CBA were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
-BA 21 Behold, I have come unto the world to bring redemption unto the world,
-BB to save the world from sin.
AA 22 Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto Me as a little child,
AB him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God [Elohim].
A-B Behold, for such I have laid down My life [TYPES OF THINGS TO COME],
A-B and have taken it up again;
AA therefore repent, and come unto Me ye ends of the earth,
AB and be saved.
none1
/nΙn/
pronoun
not any.
"none of you want to work"
Similar:
not one
not a one
no part
not a part
not a bit
not any
Opposite:
all
many
some
adverb
by no amount; not at all.
"it is made none the easier by the differences in approach"