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Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2023, 11:45 am I can't help but seeing verse 6 as a future earthquake that brings down the Salt Lake Temple.

D&C 101 says that the vineyard will be reclaimed when the enemies tower is destroyed. Depending on who the "enemies" are this could very well be the SLC temple.

sushi_chef wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 4:08 pm let each of us have that joy in the vicarious works for the dead .. !!
let each of us be one of those sons of god .. !!

kinda remembers had/felt a tremendous joy at the time of the ward temple night endowment ..
that was some time in the latter half of 1990s ..

Wasn't that after the time they changed the endowment ceremony, and no more having to swear to have one's own throat cut, tongue torn out, bowels removed, etc., for revealing the secret/sacred things done in the ceremony? That would be a cause for tremendous joy!

This 13min video shows how the Tabernacle and Temple both point to Jesus Christ:
It was not for marriages, sealings, endowments, baptisms, works for the dead, etc. It's purpose was to show us how to be reconciled back to God, and this all points to Jesus Christ, who is the Temple. We are supposed to be married/sealed to Jesus Christ for all eternity.

Ephesians 5:
29 "For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

2 Corinthians 11:
2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

urrr.. sushi_ was inactive around 1990, 91 .. and re-entrance to temple was around 1993, or 4, sushi_ just went with the flow ..
remembers blurrily at the veil had somewhat body-memory reaction of five points of fellow ..

around 1995 - 2000, was able to find and send lots of ancestry deceased names including helping others, several thousands ++ ..
also at that time, in the ward temple missionary couple was there and helped/encouraged, so, sometimes sushi_ had weekly temple attendance ..

at that ward temple night somewhat semi-noticed sushi_ was maybe only person had/felt great joy ..

before 1990 sushi_ had done only 4 generations record .. sushi_ was baptized in church early 1970s, remembers very blurrily some branch members encouraged sushi_ get those 2, 3 generations record and at that time some japanese members had planned and participated the second or third time?! slc temple tour .. and those branch members participated having those others records including sushi_'s.

one day sushi_'s mother told sushi_ she had a dream of her mother saying as if she was in the water, her face image appeared sway in water .. and two months or so later family record copies mailed back from slc, and lo&behold that grandma's vicarious baptismal date was just around that day she told sushi_ ..

sushi_chef wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2023, 5:54 pm urrr.. sushi_ was inactive around 1990, 91 .. and re-entrance to temple was around 1993, or 4, sushi_ just went with the flow ..
remembers blurrily at the veil had somewhat body-memory reaction of five points of fellow ..

around 1995 - 2000, was able to find and send lots of ancestry deceased names including helping others, several thousands ++ ..
also at that time, in the ward temple missionary couple was there and helped/encouraged, so, sometimes sushi_ had weekly temple attendance ..

at that ward temple night somewhat semi-noticed sushi_ was maybe only person had/felt great joy ..

before 1990 sushi_ had done only 4 generations record .. sushi_ was baptized in church early 1970s, remembers very blurrily some branch members encouraged sushi_ get those 2, 3 generations record and at that time some japanese members had planned and participated the second or third time?! slc temple tour .. and those branch members participated having those others records including sushi_'s.

one day sushi_'s mother told sushi_ she had a dream of her mother saying as if she was in the water, her face image appeared sway in water .. and two months or so later family record copies mailed back from slc, and lo&behold that grandma's vicarious baptismal date was just around that day she told sushi_ ..

Yes, the appearance of familiar spirits pretending to be ancestors is a common occurrence in the LDS temples due to the founding being laid upon the necromancy/channeling habits of Joseph Smith. There is a fairly recent thread, or two, on here about it, one called "Bridgette, is that you?."

Peeps wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2023, 6:47 pm the appearance of familiar spirits pretending to be ancestors is a common occurrence in the LDS temples due to the founding being laid upon the necromancy/channeling habits of Joseph Smith.

Makes me wonder how many are spirits pretending versus those who are truly those ancestors but are still deceived themselves on that side of the veil and they too are simply awaiting the day when they choose to learn their way out of the deception.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 11:51 am

Peeps wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2023, 6:47 pm the appearance of familiar spirits pretending to be ancestors is a common occurrence in the LDS temples due to the founding being laid upon the necromancy/channeling habits of Joseph Smith.

Makes me wonder how many are spirits pretending versus those who are truly those ancestors but are still deceived themselves on that side of the veil and they too are simply awaiting the day when they choose to learn their way out of the deception.

I believe that most of the manifestations in the early Church history were fallen angels called down from the second heaven, or familiar spirits called up from the abyss, like the example of Saul using the witch of Endor to call up a familiar spirit who pretended to be Samuel the prophet. Because Joseph Smith and Hyrum both had magickal items with fallen angel sigils (Joseph's Jupter talisman & Hyrum's parchment). I have studied it out in my mind, that the dark arts are very real, and that is how street magicians, like David Blaine, Chris Angel, Dynamo, etc., get their "powers." The stuff Joseph and Hyrum were into, went into the Enochian type magick (the son of Cain Enoch). Because the talisman Joseph had was found to be in the "Magus:"


The entire Smith family seems somewhat shady..
Quote =Peeps: "Joseph Smith's background was probably not like what has been taught in Church history. Joseph Smith Sr. had money, but lost it on a shady investment of ginseng. Lucy Mack mentioned in one of the drafts to her memoir a statement about the family's activities of drawing magick circles to win the faculties of "abrarac"(abracadabra).

And somehow, somewhere, Hyrum had this:

And Joseph probably had this "Masonic Jewel," or Jupiter talisman in his pocket on the day he died:


If they came from Masonic texts, who worship Lucifer as the grand architect of the universe, translation errors are a moot point...." ---From the "Questionable Content in the Book of Abraham" thread.

So who was the entity that showed up to baptise Joseph and Oliver Cowdery in the Susquehanna River, because it wasn't John the Baptist because the Levitical Priesthood is not transferable that way, it is handed down through bloodlines. The tribe of Levi was awarded this priesthood for their obedience during Exodus-golden calf fiasco (Exodus 32/Numbers 3), and the higher, Aaronic priesthood was bottlenecked to the sons of Aaron, and so John the Baptist, who was a descendant of Aaron, could not have transferred his priesthood to anyone. But one has to understand the Bible to know that, and so Joseph made an effort to erode the Bible with his own translation, and the 8thAoF.

Here is something about this:
"Aaron and His Sons
AARON was the brother of Moses. He was appointed by the Lord to be a “mouth” for Moses. (Exod. 4:16) Because of this, his services and experiences for the most part parallel those of the great lawgiver. With the giving of the Law, Israel’s priesthood was instituted, and Aaron was appointed the first high priest, his four sons serving as underpriests. As spokesman for Moses, he was to a large extent the actual instrument in working most of the miracles of the Exodus.

Aaron was dependent upon his brother and received his authority from him. When Moses went up into Mount Sinai to receive the Law, Aaron was left on his own responsibility, and he displayed weakness by yielding to the demands of the people to make the golden calf and to worship it. He repented of this sin, and Moses gained forgiveness for him.—Deut. 9:20

It was immediately following the making and worshiping of the golden calf that “Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the Lord’s side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.” (Exod. 32:26) Aaron was of the tribe of Levi, and later this entire tribe was substituted for the firstborn of all the families of Israel, to be the religious servants of the people.—Num. 3:41,45

The Aaronic family of the Levites was chosen as the one from which the priests of Israel would be taken, by succession from father to son, Aaron being the first high priest. God’s authority to Moses for appointing Aaron and his sons to the priesthood is recorded in Exodus 28:1. The text reads: “Take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron’s sons.”

In Hebrews 5:4 and 5, where it is explained that Jesus did not exalt himself to the high position which he occupied in the divine plan, Paul says that “no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.”

From this we see that Aaron’s position as high priest in Israel was typical of the position occupied by Jesus. In God’s arrangement with Israel the principal work of a priest was to offer sacrifice and, upon the basis of his sacrificial work, to extend blessings to the people. Thus Aaron’s position was typical of the manner in which, through Christ, the blessings which God promised through the “Seed” of Abraham will be extended to “all the families of the earth.”
http://www.dawnbible.com/1955/5507tbs1.htm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 11:51 am

Peeps wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2023, 6:47 pm the appearance of familiar spirits pretending to be ancestors is a common occurrence in the LDS temples due to the founding being laid upon the necromancy/channeling habits of Joseph Smith.

Makes me wonder how many are spirits pretending versus those who are truly those ancestors but are still deceived themselves on that side of the veil and they too are simply awaiting the day when they choose to learn their way out of the deception.

A rude truth is people typically see/receive what they pray for, invite, or create. The most typical example is when a person prays for vengeance against their enemies and they receive a "revelation" from "god" that he too, is angry and will bring mighty justice against them..

Make no mistake, I am not saying that 'god' does not answer such a prayer, but the question would remain...."which god?'

Very rarely a person gets an answer that completely contradicts their current beliefs.

ummm..., sushi_ opines it's wise thing, if its not impossible, to respond and exercise in faith positively than being in the negation mode about the restored church's works like family search for the other side of veil ancestry ones ...

nevertheless guesstimates prolly its difficult thing to give up some pride for those staunch christians ..

"“As soon as we were settled, brothers Jesse and Joseph entered into conversation respecting their families. Joseph briefly related the history of his family, the death of Alvin, &c. He then began to speak of the discovery and translation of the Book of Mormon. At this, Jesse grew very angry, and exclaimed, ‘If you say another word about that Book of Mormon, you shall not stay a minute longer in my house, and if I can’t get you out any other way, I will hew you down with my broad axe.’
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“In a few minutes brother Jesse came in, and on hearing that the subject of our conversation was the Book of Mormon, his wrath rose as high as it did the night before. ‘My father’s mind,’ said Jesse, ‘is weak, and I will not have it corrupted with such blasphemous stuff, so just shut up your heads.’ Brother Joseph reasoned mildly with him, but to no purpose. Brother Silas then said, ‘Jesse, our brother has come to make us a visit
....
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"jesse smith" "joseph smith" Calvinist
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22jesse+smit ... =h_&ia=web