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Re: 200 Years

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 10:57 pm
by SJR3t2
ransomme wrote: September 26th, 2023, 4:25 am
SJR3t2 wrote: September 25th, 2023, 10:59 pm
ransomme wrote: September 25th, 2023, 10:41 pm

Joseph didn't believe so. I think Joseph thought of himself coming in the Spirit of Elias

“The spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last. Elias is a forerunner to prepare the way, and the spirit and power of Elijah is to come after, holding the keys of power, building the Temple to the capstone, placing the seals of the Melchizedek Priesthood upon the house of Israel, and making all things ready; then Messiah comes to His Temple, which is last of all; Elijah was to come and prepare the way and build up the kingdom before the coming of the great day of the Lord, although the spirit of Elias might begin it” [TPJS, pp. 335, 340]
The problem with these quotes is that different people remember them differently. If you believe everything in the TPJS was authentic JS was a lunatic. I understand if you don't believe me. But BY admits a lot to modifying the records, and others record seeing him doing that. I have a lot of such quotes in this post where I'm expound JS last dream. https://seekingyhwh.org/2023/07/12/jose ... ast-dream/. Not to mention it's pretty simple to look in the biblical record to see that Elijah came before Elisha.
I think it fits, that Elias/Elijah (Greek/Hebrew) doesn't appear until the Endtime is being ushered in. And that it could be John the Beloved.

John was made the ministering angel with the keys. John has the ordinance to gather Israel and restore all things.

D&C 27
"6 And also with Elias, to whom I have
committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things
spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began,
concerning the last days;"

D&C 7
"1 And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.
2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.
3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.
4 And for this cause the Lord said unto Peter: If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? For he desired of me that he might bring souls unto me, but thou desiredst that thou mightest speedily come unto me in my kingdom.
5 I say unto thee, Peter, this was a good desire; but my beloved has desired that he might do more, or a greater work yet among men than what he has before done.
6 Yea, he has undertaken a greater work; therefore I will make him as flaming fire and a ministering angel; he shall minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation who dwell on the earth.
7 And I will make thee to minister for him and for thy brother James; and unto you three I will give this power and the keys of this ministry until I come.
8 Verily I say unto you, ye shall both have according to your desires, for ye both joy in that which ye have desired."

D&C 77
"9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he (John see v.14) to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.
10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter (Rev. 7) to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.
11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.
14 What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things. (fulfilling His covenants with the people of Israel (Ether 4:15-17))"
JS did not restore everything. https://seekingyhwh.org/2020/06/20/much ... -dc-13240/

Re: 200 Years

Posted: September 26th, 2023, 11:01 pm
by SJR3t2
LDS Physician wrote: September 26th, 2023, 6:45 am
MikeMaillet wrote: September 24th, 2023, 12:02 pm I never truly understood this scripture. What promises were made to the fathers? Who are the fathers? Some of God's promises are conditional and some are not. Many LDS would begin talking about genealogy and temple ordinances at this point but I'm not so sure about that. The idea that the actions of a mortal can affect the future of the deceased? If that's the case, the deceased are in a lot of trouble.

Mike
This scripture isn't about genealogy and temple work. The promises that were made to the fathers phrase refers to the covenants made between the Lord and our ancestors (ie the Abrahamic Covenant). The hearts of the overwhelming majority are not turned to these "promises" currently.
I believe the promises of the fathers refers to Torah. For if no one is keeping the law, all would be destroyed at the second coming. https://seekingyhwh.org/torah/

Re: 200 Years

Posted: September 27th, 2023, 1:54 am
by LDS Physician
SJR3t2 wrote: September 26th, 2023, 11:01 pm
LDS Physician wrote: September 26th, 2023, 6:45 am
MikeMaillet wrote: September 24th, 2023, 12:02 pm I never truly understood this scripture. What promises were made to the fathers? Who are the fathers? Some of God's promises are conditional and some are not. Many LDS would begin talking about genealogy and temple ordinances at this point but I'm not so sure about that. The idea that the actions of a mortal can affect the future of the deceased? If that's the case, the deceased are in a lot of trouble.

Mike
This scripture isn't about genealogy and temple work. The promises that were made to the fathers phrase refers to the covenants made between the Lord and our ancestors (ie the Abrahamic Covenant). The hearts of the overwhelming majority are not turned to these "promises" currently.
I believe the promises of the fathers refers to Torah. For if no one is keeping the law, all would be destroyed at the second coming. https://seekingyhwh.org/torah/
You and I are speaking the same language.