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This video has been shared before, but I think it’s worth posting again, especially now since I’m contemplating a greater sense of God’s love for all of His children in all religions that teach truth and light. Most religions you can step away from and they’ll often wish you well. (That’s not true for all religions, but many.) I think this is why it’s so hard for members of the church to see their family members leave, due to this type of conditioning and what it means to leave the LDS org. You can’t just leave the church, apparently you lose all connection to God and anything that means anything in the eternities.

God is more loving and kind than the opinions/teachings of this man.

Things phony religions say when they’re desperate for people to stay.

Thank goodness for the 2x speed function.

CuriousThinker wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 7:24 am Thank goodness for the 2x speed function.

“Oh ye of little attention span.”

It was only 1:47….

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 7:29 am

CuriousThinker wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 7:24 am Thank goodness for the 2x speed function.

“Oh ye of little attention span.”

It was only 1:47….

It wasn't the length of the clip but how slowly the GA's speak. I started off at normal and then figured why not make this as painless as possible.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 5:25 am

Say goodbye to the concept of wearing underpants on your face.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 7:36 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 5:25 am

Say goodbye to the concept of wearing underpants on your face.
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creepy, evil maskholes
flash back to the scenes in "church" at the time
glaring freak show of robotic compliance and gaslighting
huge part of my awakening

Don't forget to have your nose hanging out over those Y-fronts, rendering them even more pointless.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 5:25 am This video has been shared before, but I think it’s worth posting again, especially now since I’m contemplating a greater sense of God’s love for all of His children in all religions that teach truth and light. Most religions you can step away from and they’ll often wish you well. (That’s not true for all religions, but many.) I think this is why it’s so hard for members of the church to see their family members leave, due to this type of conditioning and what it means to leave the LDS org. You can’t just leave the church, apparently you lose all connection to God and anything that means anything in the eternities.

God is more loving and kind than the opinions/teachings of this man.

wow, what a goofy guy
sounds more like an snl skit
so pathetic, groveling
say goodbye to EVERYTHING (!)
say goodbye to profits - even uchdorf (!)
say goodbye to holy ghost ( such strong delusion)
see Christ through such a tiny window -

say Hello to light and truth, YES!

Niemand wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 7:36 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 5:25 am

Say goodbye to the concept of wearing underpants on your face.

That guy on the right is going rogue. His nose is exposed.

EDIT: ah, I see this was already astutely noted

Oh my heck. The freaking masks! I scrolled down and read and could only see Wilcox's face for a bit. Then I scrolled down and saw the masks. Oh, man. I might have a minor bit of PTSD, cuz I definitely had an emotional reaction when I saw those shamefully masked faces sitting there on the chief seats.

A family moved into our ward in 2019 or 2020ish. I think I spoke to the wife twice. She still wears one of these face nappies and makes hubby and the kids wear them too. They left for America in the last month or two. I'm still not sure what she actually looks like, would barely recognise her husband (who I've only seen maskless once or twice when she's not around) and wouldn't recognise their children at all.

Say goodbye to your whole concept of social interaction.

It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:02 am It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Are you sure about that?

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 8:04 am Oh my heck. The freaking masks! I scrolled down and read and could only see Wilcox's face for a bit. Then I scrolled down and saw the masks. Oh, man. I might have a minor bit of PTSD, cuz I definitely had an emotional reaction when I saw those shamefully masked faces sitting there on the chief seats.

Here's a fun article on Deseret News for ya. You know... to add to your PTSD. : "3 California counties to require masks for health care personnel from November until next spring"
https://www.ksl.com/article/50734929/3- ... ext-spring

Why in the heck are they even posting about this in Utah?

I just find it funny that Wilcox will be a stooge for a corporation that forced him to apologize for a comment he made that wasn't offensive but upset the liberal crybabies in the church.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:05 am

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:02 am It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, such has been my experience.

In Wilcox's defense the LDS concept of God is rather unique. We don't claim it to be a mystery but to be what God and Jesus showed to Joseph Smith.

I don't know of any other faith that preaches the nature of God like the LDS do. In fact, many of them would render the LDS version of God as a heresy.

That doesn't mean, however, that a person can't find God outside the LDS faith, like what Wilcox is insinuating with this. The way he speaks is quite cringeworthy.

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:14 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:05 am

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:02 am It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, such has been my experience.

"Your mileage may vary."

I have had just the opposite experience. Most of the people I know who have left the church are thriving spiritually. They've found wonderful new communities of believers in Christ and ardent truth seekers.

And yes, I do know several who became atheists or agnostic. One particular man was a high councilor I served with. He actually speaks at conferences slamming religion and God. Very interesting fella.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:23 am In Wilcox's defense the LDS concept of God is rather unique. We don't claim it to be a mystery but to be what God and Jesus showed to Joseph Smith.

I don't know of any other faith that preaches the nature of God like the LDS do. In fact, many of them would render the LDS version of God as a heresy.

That doesn't mean, however, that a person can't find God outside the LDS faith, like what Wilcox is insinuating with this. The way he speaks is quite cringeworthy.

I think the only other religions that come close are several of the Native American tribes. Some of them see a distinct relationship between God (Mother & Father), Jesus, and the Spirit. Some Eastern religions may be along those same lines as well, but most likely not as Joseph taught. The Nemenhah Group was not only in agreement with Joseph but far ahead of the theologies he taught.

My issue with what Wilcox said is his assumption that when you leave the church you leave truth. That's a bunch of malarky. Why does a person have to throw out all truths of the restoration? He thinks that you can't pick and choose which parts are true and which parts are false. To him, it's either all true or all false.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:35 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:23 am In Wilcox's defense the LDS concept of God is rather unique. We don't claim it to be a mystery but to be what God and Jesus showed to Joseph Smith.

I don't know of any other faith that preaches the nature of God like the LDS do. In fact, many of them would render the LDS version of God as a heresy.

That doesn't mean, however, that a person can't find God outside the LDS faith, like what Wilcox is insinuating with this. The way he speaks is quite cringeworthy.

I think the only other religions that come close are several of the Native American tribes. Some of them see a distinct relationship between God (Mother & Father), Jesus, and the Spirit. Some Eastern religions may be along those same lines as well, but most likely not as Joseph taught. The Nemenhah Group was not only in agreement with Joseph but far ahead of the theologies he taught.

My issue with what Wilcox said is his assumption that when you leave the church you leave truth. That's a bunch of malarky. Why does a person have to throw out all truths of the restoration? He thinks that you can't pick and choose which parts are true and which parts are false. To him, it's either all true or all false.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:02 am It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Oh good. More judging a man by his outward appearance.

Yup! Typically we are treated as in this recent response to one of my posts on this forum ....

you are far off the rails with Christ's true church where you made and broke covenants]

When you look at the documented behaviors of cults, we fit the narrative to a T.

*Don't ever question your leaders.

*The leaders are always right and above reproach.

*Threaten and intimidate dissidents.

*Shun those who depart, including family members.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:45 am

Blue Marble wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 9:02 am It’s true that most who leave the church are spiritually out of sorts, but so is Wilcox. Just look at his frame, his demeanor. He’s weak and fat, he speaks with insincere passion. Pedo vibes.

Oh good. More judging a man by his outward appearance.

He actually gave a pretty good talk on Grace a few years back. But since he's been called to a church calling, he's doubled down on the church mantras.

And I agree, we need to get over our outward prejudices.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 21st, 2023, 10:06 am And I agree, we need to get over our outward prejudices.

Right? My problem is his message that creeps me out... /shudder.