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Isaiah 4
The Situation
This chapter takes place after the fall of our society that happens in Isaiah 3 in which all economic activity is disrupted, chaos and destruction take place, and the Lord holds his servants accountable, saying,

He will bring to trial the elders of his people and their rulers, and say to them,
It is you who have devoured the vineyard;
you fill your houses by depriving the needy. What do you mean by oppressing my people, humbling the faces of the poor? says Jehovah of Hosts.

The women of Zion are placed in horrible circumstances due to their worldliness. Also, the invasion by the Assyrians (Chinese and Russians) which results in most men dying.

The Effect
The women of Zion are cleansed of their worldliness (excrement) by their suffering. Most of the women of Zion do not have husbands and families. Righteous plural marriage takes place so that their lack of children (reproach) can be addressed.

The plant of the Lord, which could be a tree of life, or (Gileadi believes) refers to the last day servant, and the prosperous agriculture, or (Gileadi believes) the fellow servants of the last day servant, are wonderful and praised.

The worldliness of the Church and chaos of the immediate past is no more because of the burning wind, most likely referring to the attack and invasion of the Assyrians which destroy the wicked. This phrase likely refers to their nuclear warheads.

The Lord will then protect his people from harm and destruction miraculously. He will place a cloudlike barrier over the righteous that will shield them from enemy attacks and the ill effects of the invasion.

What should we do?
This chapter does not make recommendations. It is only prophecy.

What should we do? Eat drink and......


Repent repent repent. Come clean before the Lord.
Cry day and night for deliverance.

I'm gonna throw a little bit of my insecure humor into this.

Hopefully as a result of this the girls will finally like me. LOL

Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

“Br Brigham spoke on a variety of subgects. Said that those who made the greatest howl against Polygamy were whores and whoremongers and those filled with lust and of unclean hearts.” (Charles Lowell Walker Journal, 11 June 1876, CHL)

Strange how we see what we want to see

Luke wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

“Br Brigham spoke on a variety of subgects. Said that those who made the greatest howl against Polygamy were whores and whoremongers and those filled with lust and of unclean hearts.” (Charles Lowell Walker Journal, 11 June 1876, CHL)

Strange how we see what we want to see

Excellent exemplification of projection

Alexander wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 2:36 pm

Luke wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

“Br Brigham spoke on a variety of subgects. Said that those who made the greatest howl against Polygamy were whores and whoremongers and those filled with lust and of unclean hearts.” (Charles Lowell Walker Journal, 11 June 1876, CHL)

Strange how we see what we want to see

Excellent exemplification of projection

Yes—by you, Shawn, etc.

Luke wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

“Br Brigham spoke on a variety of subgects. Said that those who made the greatest howl against Polygamy were whores and whoremongers and those filled with lust and of unclean hearts.” (Charles Lowell Walker Journal, 11 June 1876, CHL)

Strange how we see what we want to see

So, he was wrong again.

It doesn't even make sense.

The righteous want to have many wives and the wicked want chasity?

Ok.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 3:44 pm

Luke wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 2:32 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

“Br Brigham spoke on a variety of subgects. Said that those who made the greatest howl against Polygamy were whores and whoremongers and those filled with lust and of unclean hearts.” (Charles Lowell Walker Journal, 11 June 1876, CHL)

Strange how we see what we want to see

So, he was wrong again.

It doesn't even make sense.

The righteous want to have many wives and the wicked want chasity?

Ok.

What do you want?

What is righteous?

The Samaritans were “righteous” in their opinion.

What did the lord tell them?

So we have to ask ourselves, what is righteous…

Sometimes what we want isn’t what the lord wants….

I have to shake my head at all the pro-polygamists who seem to ignore the words of the Lord given to us via Jacob 2 in the cornerstone of our religion, the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith was clear in the early editions of the D&C as well. What is it about the words abomination and grosser crimes that polygamists do not understand? Adam had only one wife and until we receive a new name from the Lord, we are also Adam. Is not the sealing the reunification of Adam and Eve?

We Gentiles were required to establish Zion and polygamy is not part of the covenant. Instead of dreaming about cavorting with multiple large-winged angels in heaven we should be thinking about repenting and saving our sorry butts.

Sometimes I chuckle at the arguments put out by pro-polygamists but this morning the mere mention of the topic is enough to make me angry.

Mike

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

I don't think it's meant that way.
I take it like Gileadi says.

1 Seven women will take hold of one man in that day, and say,
We will eat our own food,wear our own clothes,
only let us be called by your name—take away our reproach!

Because so many men are killed in the great war (Isaiah 3:25-26),
a disproportionate number of women survives “in that day”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Another reason may be that in general women are more righteous than men,
perhaps even by a ratio of seven to one.
In contrast to the flirting women we saw previously (Isaiah 3:16-24),
these women are under no covenant curse,
having prepared a sufficiency of food and clothing in anticipation of the evil time (cf. Isaiah 3:10).
They consider it a “reproach” not to raise their own families,
and they appeal to the men who remain to marry them.

Being There wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 8:48 am I don't think it's meant that way.

Many don't, but being alienated from Christ is the only true reproach and the only name that delivers.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 9:22 am

Being There wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 8:48 am I don't think it's meant that way.

Many don't, but being alienated from Christ is the only true reproach and the only name that delivers.

What would you do if you found out that Jedediah was right and he read the treatise True Word written by Greek physician Celsus in 100AD?

Jedediah Died of pneumonia after preaching a false doctrine the the church now frowns upon. Be baptized again. Only time one should be Baptized again is because they were excommunicated.


Jedediah Did not die because he was a polygamist….

Why don’t people see what I see? So many facts that no one talks about.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 9:22 am

Being There wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 8:48 am I don't think it's meant that way.

Many don't, but being alienated from Christ is the only true reproach and the only name that delivers.

while that's true - (in bold above)

many don't,
because it just doesn't have anything to do with this scripture.

Being There wrote: ↑September 24th, 2023, 8:48 am

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2023, 12:58 pm Not to blow away anyone's righteous desire of lining up those 15-year-olds, but there's only one name that can take away reproach, the name of Jesus Christ, not the last name of a pedo-perp.

The one man they take hold of, is the one and only man whose name can take away reproach.

I don't think it's meant that way.
I take it like Gileadi says.

1 Seven women will take hold of one man in that day, and say,
We will eat our own food,wear our own clothes,
only let us be called by your name—take away our reproach!

Because so many men are killed in the great war (Isaiah 3:25-26),
a disproportionate number of women survives “in that day”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Another reason may be that in general women are more righteous than men,
perhaps even by a ratio of seven to one.
In contrast to the flirting women we saw previously (Isaiah 3:16-24),
these women are under no covenant curse,
having prepared a sufficiency of food and clothing in anticipation of the evil time (cf. Isaiah 3:10).
They consider it a “reproach” not to raise their own families,
and they appeal to the men who remain to marry them.

Or to be more explicit, the "reproach" is to be barren. Of course today's men and women love being barren, as children/family get in the way of party, play, travel, work, etc. But nothing to fret, we have contrived countless ways to murder our offspring, very effectively and efficiently.
Typical women's mentality today (thanks to our ungodly education) is career, business, modeling, movie star, etc, everything except what pleases God. But, men are by far more accountable, as the men refuse the responsibility, IMHO.