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The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
by Chip
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 15th, 2023, 8:18 pm
by TwochurchesOnly
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
Won't even try IVM- wow
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 2:07 pm
by Fred
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
Sometimes the only reason for an illness is that they want it. I am a witness that sometimes all you have to do to get rid of it is to ask. But sometimes people trust the wrong people. If you really want something removed, you have to ask someone that has the capability of doing so. If a person asks a doctor that worships satan, and the satanic doctor recommends something that will not work or suggests not taking something that is proven to work, then when you see such a moron on the street, you can say something like "The most important requirement to be rid of something is desire." If one simply has self hatred or does not want to be healed, you can't force them.
Asking someone if they have the faith not to be healed is not only anti Christ, but also lowers the bar incredibly low in order to compensate for their own lack of faith.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 2:15 pm
by Ymarsakar
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
A dna update restores the blueprint.
She also said chosen is led by those who know jeshua. Ironic.
That episode where james was walking around was likely talmudic rabbi influenced. They have a team advising them on what is scripture and then jenkins pulls the message from his god usually. Here maybe he was too buzy to check.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 3:42 pm
by 4Joshua8
Fred wrote: ↑September 16th, 2023, 2:07 pm
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
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Asking someone if they have the faith not to be healed is not only anti Christ, but also lowers the bar incredibly low in order to compensate for their own lack of faith.
Seriously. Just be honest and say, “I don’t have the faith to be healed.”
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 5:49 pm
by Rumpelstiltskin
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
Joseph Smith's teachings on faith began to be watered-down after HJ Grant had the Lectures on Faith removed from the D&C as companion reading.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 6:19 pm
by Lizzy60
If someone reading this does not know about the David Bednar “faith to NOT be healed” incident, y’all have another rabbit hole to dive down.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 9:46 pm
by Psyche
Yes, I was thinking of the Bednar talk about having the faith "not to be healed" -
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 8?lang=eng
It seems to me they don't have power to heal and their followers don't have faith to be healed because of talks like this that destroy faith.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 10:06 pm
by Teancum1
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
The story of Hezekiah in Isaiah 36-39 and his miraculous healing in chapter 38 is beautiful.
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the Lord,
3 And said, Remember now, O Lord, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
It is a testament of His love and mercy. However, sometimes when we make decisions to follow a man (someone sustained as a prophet) instead of God then there are consequences. God can still heal that man but it seems there is a difference between Katie and this guy.
Katie trusts fully in God and His plan for her. She lives with Him in her. This man seems to have followed the prophet and trusted in his wise government and medical professionals. Seems to be a general principle that God honors what you place your trust in.
Hezekiah appealed to God for his righteous living and trusted in his covenant relationship with Him. He didn’t go to the wise government and medical professionals or ecclesiastical leaders to heal him. He prayed to God and reasoned with Him. Seems like that’s what Katie does.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 10:16 pm
by Chip
Teancum1 wrote: ↑September 16th, 2023, 10:06 pm
Chip wrote: ↑September 15th, 2023, 8:07 pm
Katie here is saying that it is NEVER the will of the Father that people remain ill. Listen for a few minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/live/LBnaO3AuW8 ... cq2z&t=161
My friend's bishop who is dying of post-vaxx illness and surrounded by RMN-devotees is now talking about havng "the faith not to be healed", since none of his doctors can identify his problem, they've dissuaded him from trying ivermectin, and he doesn't want to hear about any "conspiracy theories".
Katie said that God healed her of Crohn's disease after 9 years of having it.
The story of Hezekiah in Isaiah 36-39 and his miraculous healing in chapter 38 is beautiful.
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the Lord,
3 And said, Remember now, O Lord, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
It is a testament of His love and mercy. However, sometimes when we make decisions to follow a man (someone sustained as a prophet) instead of God then there are consequences. God can still heal that man but it seems there is a difference between Katie and this guy.
Katie trusts fully in God and His plan for her. She lives with Him in her. This man seems to have followed the prophet and trusted in his wise government and medical professionals. Seems to be a general principle that God honors what you place your trust in.
Hezekiah appealed to God for his righteous living and trusted in his covenant relationship with Him. He didn’t go to the wise government and medical professionals or ecclesiastical leaders to heal him. He prayed to God and reasoned with Him. Seems like that’s what Katie does.
Uh, but, after all that's been said, wouldn't going directly to God be a breach of protocol? I mean, what are the ward and stake leaders there for? God's, like, really busy, and all these requests must be consolidated in leaders, so that the proper order of things can be allowed to address the problem. Breaking rank could get all your blessing taken away and you'd be a goner, for sure. Just follow the wise and thoughtful leaders in government and in the church, because that's how God set everything up. Don't be a faithless servant. God doesn't like that. He set up the church for a reason and it's our job to LET the system work. Anyone trying anything else would be a robber, like not going through the gate, you know. Don't become a primary lesson for the rest of us. (This was sarcasm, in case anyone felt a knot forming in their heart.)
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 10:31 pm
by Chip
Here is how to ask God for help:
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 17th, 2023, 2:47 pm
by Niemand
Some RC saints, monks and nuns are supposed to thank God for physical suffering and "offer it up". Their version of defying the physical world.
Re: The Faith NOT to be healed?
Posted: September 17th, 2023, 3:20 pm
by Lemarque
I was thinking of this idea of "the faith to not be healed" recently.
The churches position on depression is that it is just like any other physical ailment. Go to a doctor, get help from them and drugs. Imagine asking someone who is suicidal if they have the faith to not be healed of depression. This idea of having faith to not be healed is ridiculous in that context.
I remember back during my time of deep depression wondering if, similar to cancer being discovered too late, there was a point of depression that it became too late to treat, and any treatment just prolonged life until I would inevitably take my life. "Faith" promoting messages like this did not help. I thought that if I did stay alive, I would have depression for the rest of my life.
Fortunately the grace of Christ has saved me from that life. And I have a much better understanding of evil spirits and their role in what is called mental illness. (As well as nutrition)