Kirton McKonkie Goes Gestapo

[Mamabear]

So I guess fast and testimony meetings will have to be ended, right? Why have them, if they're just going to stop you from giving your testimony?

Maybe a "worthiness" interview will have to be conducted prior to people being given a sacrament talk assignment?

My prediction is that they will soon end fast and testimony meetings.
For 2 reasons:
1) most are cringeworthy stories.
2) they don’t want people speaking out against leaders.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I have a wonderful friend in West Valley, UT who wants to use the pulpit to speak truth. She cares so much about her friends and wants them to wake up... but she knows she'll be exxed for doing so.

[Mamabear]

I have a wonderful friend in West Valley, UT who wants to use the pulpit to speak truth. She cares so much about her friends and wants them to wake up... but she knows she'll be exxed for doing so.

Tell her to do it! It’s worth it!

[Fred]

I have a wonderful friend in West Valley, UT who wants to use the pulpit to speak truth. She cares so much about her friends and wants them to wake up... but she knows she'll be exxed for doing so.

I suppose it matters if Jesus will save the church or flush it down the toilet. He doesn't have to save it because even if he flushes it, his true church never left the earth. People forget about John and the three Nephites wandering around somewhere.

If Jesus looks at the church and is disgusted with the leadership and the stupidity of members that follow them, then there is nothing worth saving. In that case, there is no benefit to being a member. If on the other hand, he cleans house and only obliterates the evil ones, then having stuck it out with inactivity is of benefit.

Personally, I am going to leave the door open. Like I told my Bishop, when you begin to tell truth and follow Christ, I will return.

[Ymarsakar]

I can't give RFM more than 5 minutes of my eyes and ears either. I'm not a big video watcher as it is, and even less so from folks like him. But yeah RFM gets little to none of my attention and time.

Our 501c3 corporation has built up a true Babylonian empire and more than ANYTHING else, the corp executives fear what that Babylon they've served can do to their empire if they don't toe the line, so to speak. The corp is willing to sacrifice those that open their eyes to the reality of our situation, that secret combinations have infiltrated us and gotten above us. The corp believes a key to keeping their worldly empire are the yes-men, those that do and say whatever comes from SLC without questioning, these yes men make great leaders in the corp's eyes. So in the corporation's mind, it is correct to sacrifice/lose those that are seeing the reality of what's going on with the corp, and in turn to retain those members that willingly and blindly obey SLC. It's truly ran like a worldly global corporation.

I'm very grateful the Lord showed me (this was for ME, not declaring it for others but wouldn't surprise me if other sincere seekers are told/guided similarly) that what's really important in this mortal probation period is my relationship with Him and with my bros and sisters, and what I'm focused on BECOMING, not my relationship with a corporate empire. So this is what I focus on. This is what I hope ALL can come to see, to a degree We don't need loyalty to a corporation, we need loyalty to the Lord and to the truth. Unwavering loyalty to the corp is a big reason we're in the mess we're in.

“But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”
(Joshua 24:15, NKJV)

Amen!

Here is some GOOD NEWS....

Katie is awesome! She knows the Lord Jesus and is unafraid of how she is perceived by the world. Thanks for sharing Chip!!

Chip has been posting katie vids for weeks. Is this the first time you saw it? Was it after you spoke your truth to lds stake leaders?

[Teancum1]

Amen!

Here is some GOOD NEWS....

Katie is awesome! She knows the Lord Jesus and is unafraid of how she is perceived by the world. Thanks for sharing Chip!!

Chip has been posting katie vids for weeks. Is this the first time you saw it? Was it after you spoke your truth to lds stake leaders?

I’ve been watching her for a few weeks now. Funny how God uses the weak and the simple but how so many have come to expect strong and
powerful people as “leaders”.
The weak and simple know they need God. The rich and powerful seem to believe they just need more money and the right connections thereby leaving God out of the picture.
Really they kind of become a god unto themselves in their little man made kingdoms.
Katie is great- there is just truth and love.

[Ymarsakar]

I find it interesting that there is a near 1 to 1 correlation between those reacting to her and to me.

Meaning neutral reactions to me are the positive reavtions to katie. Whereas the confusion reaction to me tends to be the hostile or indifferent reaction to her.

The spirit recognixes the spirit so to speak.

Also a minor ps clarification. When i say katie or others have their god and i have mine, that does not mean we are foes or opposing. Many gods are aligned. The weaker gods have formed a coalition to resist the shadows and arch devils.

The stronger gods or true gods, tend to operate by strange et like principles.

My god is a true god equivalent in power to a son of god under the most high. Think of it as the strategic staff lt of an army. Whereas the personal gods of katie and others here serve as sergeants and officers under an alliance with the christ child.

Why this is so complicated is simply because the most high has had an eternity to create children. Ya dont think only heyl el archangels jeshua and yhvh was born in time that time only... neh.

If i think you are being possessed or affected by demonia, i dont call ur unclean spirits gods. Rhey aint even elohim.

Moroni actually explained this. The heavenly host has an order similar to captain of 10. 100. 1000 etc.

The enoch 1 also called the watchers by similar organizations.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Does anybody have a copy of the K&M letter?

[Teancum1]

I find it interesting that there is a near 1 to 1 correlation between those reacting to her and to me.

Meaning neutral reactions to me are the positive reavtions to katie. Whereas the confusion reaction to me tends to be the hostile or indifferent reaction to her.

The spirit recognixes the spirit so to speak.

Katie seems to have removed the barrier that most of us have to receive spiritual impressions and direction from God/Jesus.

What is that barrier for me? Pride,arrogance, desires of the world and body. She speaks what the Spirit tells her. Kind of a stream of consciousness that is connected to a higher power as she is talking- I see no notes or scriptures or anything in front of her.

It is very refreshing- it seems to be what the scriptures say should be- that we should conduct our meetings/interactions as led by the Spirit. But so few have that connection to the Spirit nor is there a desire to be vulnerable and trust that God will fill our mouths, me included. We have too much that we want to say- instead of allowing Him to speak through us.

[Ymarsakar]

I find it interesting that there is a near 1 to 1 correlation between those reacting to her and to me.

Meaning neutral reactions to me are the positive reavtions to katie. Whereas the confusion reaction to me tends to be the hostile or indifferent reaction to her.

The spirit recognixes the spirit so to speak.

Katie seems to have removed the barrier that most of us have to receive spiritual impressions and direction from God/Jesus.

What is that barrier for me? Pride,arrogance, desires of the world and body. She speaks what the Spirit tells her. Kind of a stream of consciousness that is connected to a higher power as she is talking- I see no notes or scriptures or anything in front of her.

It is very refreshing- it seems to be what the scriptures say should be- that we should conduct our meetings/interactions as led by the Spirit. But so few have that connection to the Spirit nor is there a desire to be vulnerable and trust that God will fill our mouths, me included. We have too much that we want to say- instead of allowing Him to speak through us.

I edit added to my comment above

I also dont tend to quote scripture or use notes. I just use my recall ability. It looks like i am using chat ai and the internet but 99% is just my recall.

Sure in the land of the blind the one eye is king. If u lack channeled psi, then anyone who can channel is elevated as god s messengers and then later as prophets.

Jeshua promised that many would do his miracles and greater. Is god a liar or is jeshua mistaken?

[Reluctant Watchman]

I also dont tend to quote scripture or use notes. I just use my recall ability. It looks like i am using chat ai and the internet but 99% is just my recall.

Are you sure there isn't a little peyote involved... ?

"Tripping on Peyote in Navajo Nation"
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cr ... jo-nation/

[Atrasado]

I watched it yesterday and told my husband about it. Just crazy. And as lawyers they know that they can't just say those things were prohibited. The knew they were bring dishonest and just trying to scare them. And they do it at the behest of the church.

After reading their letter, I thought about including similar language in my resignation letter...

Boy, would they get a kick out of that.

I just wish we could get them to give us the decision tree on sending out that letter. Who signed off on it? Where and when was it discussed? Is this something they have started doing to anyone who opposes anything the current leadership says or wants? Where do I have to say things they don't like sufficient to have policemen come to my house and get a letter like that pearl? Sunday School? Priesthood meeting? Online? Or is it just Fast and Testimony Meeting?

Since 2022, if you teach at any Church school or in any institute or seminary you have to sign or agree to a loyalty oath to the brethren in which you promise to not disagree with any of their policies or teachings. So what happened to common consent? What happens if what they teach or do contradicts the scriptures or the Holy Ghost? This is not a theoretical question, as most of you are well aware. Maybe I'm just getting worked up, but maybe modern people don't take things like free agency and common consent seriously enough.

J. Golden Kimball once said that he prayed that he would never end up being a halfway man. Halfway this, or halfway that. There are a lot of halfway people in this world because it's just so stinkin' hard sometimes. It beats us down. But, maybe, if we really try, we might rise above that.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I watched it yesterday and told my husband about it. Just crazy. And as lawyers they know that they can't just say those things were prohibited. The knew they were bring dishonest and just trying to scare them. And they do it at the behest of the church.

After reading their letter, I thought about including similar language in my resignation letter...

Boy, would they get a kick out of that.

I just wish we could get them to give us the decision tree on sending out that letter. Who signed off on it? Where and when was it discussed? Is this something they have started doing to anyone who opposes anything the current leadership says or wants? Where do I have to say things they don't like sufficient to have policemen come to my house and get a letter like that pearl? Sunday School? Priesthood meeting? Online? Or is it just Fast and Testimony Meeting?

Since 2022, if you teach at any Church school or in any institute or seminary you have to sign or agree to a loyalty oath to the brethren in which you promise to not disagree with any of their policies or teachings. So what happened to common consent? What happens if what they teach or do contradicts the scriptures or the Holy Ghost? This is not a theoretical question, as most of you are well aware. Maybe I'm just getting worked up, but maybe modern people don't take things like free agency and common consent seriously enough.

J. Golden Kimball once said that he prayed that he would never end up being a halfway man. Halfway this, or halfway that. There are a lot of halfway people in this world because it's just so stinkin' hard sometimes. It beats us down. But, maybe, if we really try, we might rise above that.

I added this toward the end of our letter:

"The only contact from church headquarters should be a mailed notification that our request has been processed."



BTW, are you serious about the "loyalty oath"? Is there really a document you have to sign? I'd love to see a copy of that.

[Atrasado]

Is there a certain time segment of the video that is relevant to your conversation, or will I have to watch the whole thing?

I summarized it for you. There are many parts that are relevant. Do you want me to watch the whole thing again and pick them out? Seriously? Or are you just messing with me because you know I'm tired from watching that last night?

[Atrasado]

After reading their letter, I thought about including similar language in my resignation letter...

Boy, would they get a kick out of that.

I just wish we could get them to give us the decision tree on sending out that letter. Who signed off on it? Where and when was it discussed? Is this something they have started doing to anyone who opposes anything the current leadership says or wants? Where do I have to say things they don't like sufficient to have policemen come to my house and get a letter like that pearl? Sunday School? Priesthood meeting? Online? Or is it just Fast and Testimony Meeting?

Since 2022, if you teach at any Church school or in any institute or seminary you have to sign or agree to a loyalty oath to the brethren in which you promise to not disagree with any of their policies or teachings. So what happened to common consent? What happens if what they teach or do contradicts the scriptures or the Holy Ghost? This is not a theoretical question, as most of you are well aware. Maybe I'm just getting worked up, but maybe modern people don't take things like free agency and common consent seriously enough.

J. Golden Kimball once said that he prayed that he would never end up being a halfway man. Halfway this, or halfway that. There are a lot of halfway people in this world because it's just so stinkin' hard sometimes. It beats us down. But, maybe, if we really try, we might rise above that.

I added this toward the end of our letter:

"The only contact from church headquarters should be a mailed notification that our request has been processed."



BTW, are you serious about the "loyalty oath"? Is there really a document you have to sign? I'd love to see a copy of that.

Yes, I'm serious about the loyalty question. It's why I'm not teaching Pathway anymore so I guess this was two years ago. It doesn't apply to administrative staff, only teachers. It's a wonderful thing. (/s)

[Ymarsakar]

Is there a certain time segment of the video that is relevant to your conversation, or will I have to watch the whole thing?

I summarized it for you. There are many parts that are relevant. Do you want me to watch the whole thing again and pick them out? Seriously? Or are you just messing with me because you know I'm tired from watching that last night?

Maybe they were talking about the katie vid

[4Joshua8]

Is there a certain time segment of the video that is relevant to your conversation, or will I have to watch the whole thing?

I summarized it for you. There are many parts that are relevant. Do you want me to watch the whole thing again and pick them out? Seriously? Or are you just messing with me because you know I'm tired from watching that last night?

No need to do that. Sometimes videos like these have 3 or 4 segments with unrelated topics...i just wanted the fastest route (timestamp) to the relevant portion. But if it's relevant throughout, I'll just watch it in its entirety this weekend.

[FrankOne]

Most people got saline

yah, I'm going with 30-60%. Hard to actually know but I personally read 3 different articles from main stream media saying how thousands of people had "mistakenly" been given saline at 3 different clinics. As if the bottles aren't labeled? what a joke. It's obvious that someone had bottles tested and brought the results to the attention of someone which then went public.

Since I saw three of these stories, how many other clinics were giving out saline? oh well. kLowN whirled.

[Atrasado]

Most people got saline

The three vials I inspected of the Pfizer vaxx were all full of graphene. They had the same lot number, though.

That's the most interesting thing I've read all day. Maybe start a thread and tell us some more about that.

[BringerOfJoy]

...Do you think those @$_-$&* in SLC would like to know who we are on this board? I'm pretty sure they would. I'm surprised I haven't been excommunicated already given how easy it would be to figure out who I am.
...

Oh, if they want to know, they know. I had an acquaintance that was excommunicated. When they initially called him in, they have a reams of paper there of every post he had made on this forum that troubled them. He only used his first name here as his handle--a very common name among in his age range--but once he had also revealed his whole name.

When my daughter was exed, they had print outs from her blog where she never put up her name at that time, but she HAD linked to her blog from her Facebook page a couple of times.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Oh, if they want to know, they know. I had an acquaintance that was excommunicated. When they initially called him in, they have a reams of paper there of every post he had made on this forum that troubled them. He only used his first name here as his handle, but once he had also revealed his whole name.

When my daughter was exed, they had print outs from her blog where she never put up her name at that time, but she HAD linked to her blog from her Facebook page a couple of times.

WT..... Really??!!

Dude, just think how big that stack of paper would be for me... it would take HOURS to go through all of them.

[BringerOfJoy]

Oh, if they want to know, they know. I had an acquaintance that was excommunicated. When they initially called him in, they have a reams of paper there of every post he had made on this forum that troubled them. He only used his first name here as his handle, but once he had also revealed his whole name.

When my daughter was exed, they had print outs from her blog where she never put up her name at that time, but she HAD linked to her blog from her Facebook page a couple of times.

WT..... Really??!!

Dude, just think how big that stack of paper would be for me....

Really. His stack was pretty big also. He also occasionally did some drunk-posting, so that didn't help the matter.

[Atrasado]

...Do you think those @$_-$&* in SLC would like to know who we are on this board? I'm pretty sure they would. I'm surprised I haven't been excommunicated already given how easy it would be to figure out who I am.
...

Oh, if they want to know, they know. I had an acquaintance that was excommunicated. When they initially called him in, they have a reams of paper there of every post he had made on this forum that troubled them. He only used his first name here as his handle--a very common name among in his age range--but once he had also revealed his whole name.

When my daughter was exed, they had print outs from her blog where she never put up her name at that time, but she HAD linked to her blog from her Facebook page a couple of times.

I've heard of things like that. We have a secret police, just like the Scientologists. I'm probably not a big enough fish to fry that they'll hack Brian's site, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who I am. I've never stated my name in the open here, but I've given enough clues about my identity that it shouldn't be hard to crack. To be honest, I would imagine they already know who I am, but either they don't want to make a scene or I'm not persuasive enough to cause any real real damage. Hopefully, I'll soon be on my way and then I might have a few more things to say. They'll have a chat with me then, I'd imagine.

[Atrasado]

Oh, if they want to know, they know. I had an acquaintance that was excommunicated. When they initially called him in, they have a reams of paper there of every post he had made on this forum that troubled them. He only used his first name here as his handle, but once he had also revealed his whole name.

When my daughter was exed, they had print outs from her blog where she never put up her name at that time, but she HAD linked to her blog from her Facebook page a couple of times.

WT..... Really??!!

Dude, just think how big that stack of paper would be for me... it would take HOURS to go through all of them.

Files of honor. That's what they are, at least to me.

[Ymarsakar]

Did nobody teach yall opsec. First names online. Comeon people.

There is a good reason i know it is saline. Not because of internet videos.

Simple production limits. Nano bio tech weaps dont make themselves. You need to form them and freeze them. Thus u need production centers. Thry subcontracted it out but nobody expected to need to create this in 2020. They were expecting 2023 and 2025.

8 billion doses in a few months? No way. They had to use saline. Had to. Course the boosters were them catchung up in production. Then they lost 30 b labs in ukraine. Haha. So it took them until now to make more using the other 300. Now they ready for lockdown 2.