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This video really hit me hard.
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Tldw: Man starts having doubts while serving as branch president in Europe concerning tithing and the poor. Then, President Nelson releases the Easter video of him getting the Covid-19 shot. This couple is opposed to the shot and that shook this man's faith. After a year or so of study, he decides to oppose the brethren during sustainings at stake conference. He gets called on the carpet by the stake president and the visiting area 70, Thomas Checketts. (Sorry, I had McConkie there. It was a late night.)

He tries to bear his testimony a week later at fast and testimony meeting and discuss the doubts that are bothering him, which a fair amount of people have done around the Church, and the bishopric counselor who was presiding shuts off the mic, apparently per the stake president. A month later, his brother is in town and goes with him to the next fast and testimony meeting. The brother decides to go up and testify to see if he can smooth things out, and as soon as he mentions who his brother is they shut the mic off again. Then, they escort them both out of the building surrounded by five or six elders.

They follow that up with a visit from the police and an unbelievably nasty letter from Kirton McKonkie telling him that not only can he not visit any church property, he basically cannot have contact with almost any church member in any way and that they will have him arrested if he does. The language of the letter is beyond aggressive.
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Words almost escape me at this point (that would be a miracle some might be praying for). What's the next step? Concentration camps? Sending the Danites to kill us? You think I'm being hyperbolic? Watch the video. There are many interesting details I didn't cover. The honesty and goodwill of this man and wife are so obvious.

In my opinion, this is really going to shake a lot of people because of the unbelievably petty, vindictive, nonsensical, and menacing nature of the Church's response. Want to look like a cult? Yup, that will do the trick.

I think it is very important to note that the Seventy who met with him after the stake conference is Thomas K. Checketts, a shareholder at Kirton McKonkie. In other words, this whole thing was obviously discussed at the highest levels including the leadership's reactions to this man and his brother at the fast and testimony meetings, and, of course, the letter to him.

Do you think those @$_-$&* in SLC would like to know who we are on this board? I'm pretty sure they would. I'm surprised I haven't been excommunicated already given how easy it would be to figure out who I am.

I quote Isaiah a lot, because his words always seem so relevant. Right now, Isaiah 66:5 seems appropriate:
Hear the word of Jehovah,
you who are vigilant for his word:
Your brethren who abhor you,
and exclude you because of my name, say,
Let Jehovah manifest his glory,
that we may see cause for your joy!
But it is they who shall suffer shame.
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Atrasado wrote: September 15th, 2023, 12:09 am [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/live/HmUTeRWuLt ... bJZkga_Qi6[/youtube]
Words almost escape me at this point (that would be a miracle some might be praying for). What's the next step? Concentration camps? Sending the Danites to kill us? You think I'm being hyperbolic? Watch the video.

In my opinion this is really going to shake a lot of people because of the unbelievably petty, vindictive, nonsensical, and menacing nature of the Church's response. Want to look like a cult. Yup, that will do the trick.

I think it is very important to note that the Seventy who met with him after the stake conference is Thomas K. Checketts, a shareholder at Kirton McKonkie. In other words, this whole thing was obviously discussed at the highest levels including the leaderships' reactions to this man at the fast and testimony meetings, and, of course, the letter to him.

You think they would like to know who we are on this board? I'm pretty sure they would. I'm surprised I haven't been excommunicated already given how easy it would be to figure out who I am.

I quote Isaiah a lot, because his words always seem so relevant. Right now, Isaiah 66:5 seems appropriate:
Hear the word of Jehovah,
you who are vigilant for his word:
Your brethren who abhor you,
and exclude you because of my name, say,
Let Jehovah manifest his glory,
that we may see cause for your joy!
But it is they who shall suffer shame.
I just finished watching this
Truly astounding
I hope it gets shared like crazy
It is crazy -
And here we are in September 2023
This is really happening - to really good people
Never thought I'd see anything like this

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That was a crazy story in the video!

Painful to hear what a sappy sellout the bishop was, never getting a handle on his accountability to God. Even the stake president was getting used, not understanding the scope of K&M's letter. Only the church knows the full depth of its depravity. But, then again, maybe they outsourced that to K&M.

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It's so hard to listen to RFM. I don't know how people do it. He thinks he's funny, but not really. He is so fake. And it's annoying how he often doesn't understand what his guests are saying, and they have to restate.

Of course COVID and tithing were the wake up calls. I wish the Church was worthy, but sooner or later more and more will be facing these same things.

Anyhow, for everyone of these couples who are vocal, how many just walk away?

Do we have any solid numbers on what's been happening with membership and activity numbers?

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I agree with this guy, but I'm not sure why he's surprised that his mic was cut off. Fast and testimony is not open mic night. Just saying.

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Kirton McKonkie is some type of boogie man to many of you.
https://www.kirtonmcconkie.com/

Successful, powerful, well educated. This is the society that created it and many of you helped create this society. Ironic isn't it.

" In other words, this whole thing was obviously discussed at the highest levels including the leaderships' reactions to this man and his brother at the fast and testimony meetings, and, of course, the letter to him.

You think those @$_-$&* in SLC would like to know who we are on this board? I'm pretty sure they would. I'm surprised I haven't been excommunicated already given how easy it would be to figure out who I am."

You think the same demonia that possesses them somehow haven't reached many of you here?

Heh. Internet is no barrier to demonia and magickal powers.

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The tonedeafness of the bishop and SP is surreal. This is the kind of spiritual vacuum that the vaxx can leave people in.

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Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 6:40 am The tonedeafness of the bishop and SP is surreal. This is the kind of spiritual vacuum that the vaxx can leave people in.
Yes but it's natural. What this guy was saying was a threat to their life, worldview, and their foundation.

You don't think that they could sense that?

They went into self-preservation mode.

It's ironic that people find comfort in cognitive dissonance.

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Is it just me, or did they come off as entitled?

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ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 6:54 am Is it just me, or did they come off as entitled?
No, not to me. The Church and the leadership came off as the entitled ones. In this Church everything is supposed to be done by common consent. But, because of our wicked traditions if someone disagrees with things they are labeled as apostate. Why ask if anyone is opposed to a leader if they get stopped from speaking, banished, and shunned if they do oppose them?
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ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 2:14 am I agree with this guy, but I'm not sure why he's surprised that his mic was cut off. Fast and testimony is not open mic night. Just saying.
You could have fooled me. I've heard some "interesting" things at the pulpit during fast and testimony meeting. I've never seen anyone have the mic shut off, and I've desperately wanted it shut off before.
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Are we so weak in our testimonies and faith that we have to treat someone like this? It's appalling to me, at least. I have personally seen child molesters treated with much more dignity and respect by their stake leadership.
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ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 6:52 am
Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 6:40 am The tonedeafness of the bishop and SP is surreal. This is the kind of spiritual vacuum that the vaxx can leave people in.
Yes but it's natural. What this guy was saying was a threat to their life, worldview, and their foundation.

You don't think that they could sense that?

They went into self-preservation mode.

It's ironic that people find comfort in cognitive dissonance.

Certainly, that, too.

Their allegiance is completely to The Church, a false god that rules their universe.

I am really curious to see what the local leaders will do if the PTB manage to get COVID rolling again. Will they just all fall in line, like last time, or will they pull their heads out of their arses and NOT serve Satan this time?

"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right."

My observation is that the unrepentant vaxxed got a once-and-done dose of spiritual fentanyl that will see them all the way into their graves.

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Most people got saline

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A Jew came to the synagogue, because of the courseness of his clothes he was told to stand at the back with the rest of the poor...
Whilst the wealthy Elders and the Rabbi took the seats of prominence.
The Rabbi then stood up with tears in his eyes and prayed the desire of all Israel...

"Oh God send the Messiah to release us from the bondage of the Gentiles"
The wealthy elders choked with emotion also sobbed Amen, Amen!

The poor Jew told to stand at the back then shouted with joy " The Messiah has arrived"
The Rabbi and the elders arose in great fury, ripped their clothes and shouted "Blasphemy"
They then grabbed the man and beat him and cast him out the synagogue.........

The Rabbi then said of him ........" After all , he is only a carpenters son"

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:27 am Most people got saline
The three vials I inspected of the Pfizer vaxx were all full of graphene. They had the same lot number, though.

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Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:30 am
Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:27 am Most people got saline
The three vials I inspected of the Pfizer vaxx were all full of graphene. They had the same lot number, though.
The lots are targeted to test or kill certain pops off.nfor example guess what israel got.

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:33 am
Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:30 am
Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:27 am Most people got saline
The three vials I inspected of the Pfizer vaxx were all full of graphene. They had the same lot number, though.
The lots are targeted to test or kill certain pops off.nfor example guess what israel got.

What did Israel get?

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Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:38 am
Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:33 am
Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:30 am

The three vials I inspected of the Pfizer vaxx were all full of graphene. They had the same lot number, though.
The lots are targeted to test or kill certain pops off.nfor example guess what israel got.

What did Israel get?
I had a psi user visit tel aviv recently. She said that unlike the uk, the people there had no auric issues or contamination. Seemed much healthier.

How can that be if 80 plus percent took the shots? Easy. Khazarians ensured their tribes did not get endangered.

Problem with bio weapon dusts is that it affects allies and enemies. But if you can give people stuff that they shoot up well... easy to target then

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 8:11 am
Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:38 am
Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:33 am
The lots are targeted to test or kill certain pops off.nfor example guess what israel got.

What did Israel get?
I had a psi user visit tel aviv recently. She said that unlike the uk, the people there had no auric issues or contamination. Seemed much healthier.

How can that be if 80 plus percent took the shots? Easy. Khazarians ensured their tribes did not get endangered.

Problem with bio weapon dusts is that it affects allies and enemies. But if you can give people stuff that they shoot up well... easy to target then

Is there some justice in this? Are Israelis more righteous than the rest? If not, it seems cosmically unfair that others should be debilitated. Is there a silver lining somewhere?

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I watched it yesterday and told my husband about it. Just crazy. And as lawyers they know that they can't just say those things were prohibited. The knew they were bring dishonest and just trying to scare them. And they do it at the behest of the church.

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Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 8:18 am
Ymarsakar wrote: September 15th, 2023, 8:11 am
Chip wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:38 am


What did Israel get?
I had a psi user visit tel aviv recently. She said that unlike the uk, the people there had no auric issues or contamination. Seemed much healthier.

How can that be if 80 plus percent took the shots? Easy. Khazarians ensured their tribes did not get endangered.

Problem with bio weapon dusts is that it affects allies and enemies. But if you can give people stuff that they shoot up well... easy to target then

Is there some justice in this? Are Israelis more righteous than the rest? If not, it seems cosmically unfair that others should be debilitated. Is there a silver lining somewhere?
Of course. 2020 was just the alpha tests. There will be more. If they made too many mistakes, their reward will come.

Nothing is set in stone here. The qabal contrary to media and humans panicking, is not winning.

The state of balfour brutish israel will suffer even more if they had outright backed ukraine. Asheknazi khazarians are their ties.

Zelensky himself said ashkenazis ties ujraine homeland to jerusalem.

People who sit around and think they avoided fatal consequences... think again. We are not done testing humans. Just starting even

Look at sub. You can make all the wrong choices and be almost 99% hijacked and yet saved via redempti9n and miracle powers. Too superpowah for most here of course. Just pretending for many.

And you can seemingly make all the right choices and still be condemned.

The divine counsel has decided. Humanity will die off in phases. The species is essentially over. And that is a very good thing. We can finally end the endlesss dream

The peaceful will receive peace. Those that seek to destroy and attack will receive what they desire.

How it works or ends up i neither care nor are told. I trust the judgment and power of my god to make this happen. That is how it is.
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Atrasado wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:07 am
ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 6:54 am Is it just me, or did they come off as entitled?
No, not to me. The Church and the leadership came off as the entitled ones. In this Church everything is supposed to be done by common consent. But, because of our wicked traditions of someone disagrees with things they are labeled as apostate. Why ask if anyone is opposed to a leader if they get taken out and banished and shunned if they do oppose them?
I think you hit the nail on the head. Why ask if anyone is opposed to do those things after? It didn't start that way, but now sustaining/opposing is a litmus test for loyalty to the church. Pass or fail. You oppose, be ready for the consequences.

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ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 2:10 am Anyhow, for everyone of these couples who are vocal, how many just walk away?

Do we have any solid numbers on what's been happening with membership and activity numbers?
If I were to count the friends and people I know who have simply stepped away, the number would be... golly, probably in the 70-90 range.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: September 15th, 2023, 8:41 am
ransomme wrote: September 15th, 2023, 2:10 am Anyhow, for everyone of these couples who are vocal, how many just walk away?

Do we have any solid numbers on what's been happening with membership and activity numbers?
If I were to count the friends and people I know who have simply stepped away, the number would be... golly, probably in the 70-90 range.
I wish the true scope of this implosion was known. I know at least 10 who have left in the last 2-3 yrs. I Live in a small place so we just don’t have the numbers you guys might have.

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