Isaiah 1

[Atrasado]

What exactly is Isaiah referring to, in that we are murderers and our hands are full of blood do you suppose....

We support, or many of us on this board did at one time, governments that are murderous in their oppression of many countries. Any American or Brit that supported the Gulf Wars, or the war in Ukraine, or has supported the murderous regimes that have ruled in the West for many decades have blood on their hands.

We can say that we didn't personally do it, but have we really worked against the warlords like Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, or George Bush that have destroyed countries like Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Libya, and Syria? I supported the first Gulf War and the second one, at first. I have protested the wars since, but still worked for the US Navy for six or seven years, even after I started to understand what is really going on.

Perhaps I'm not a murderer, per se, but I'm certainly not innocent and I do bear responsibility for not talking my duties as a citizen more seriously in preventing needless and wicked wars of subjugation.

I wonder if it's actually much closer to home. As in the murder of our offspring. Not to minimize what you are talking about, and I suppose that applies. But the more heinous crimes are right in our own homes and hospitals.

I think your right. Most of us on this board didn't encourage anyone to take the stupid vaccines, but many "good" Church members did. Our sins of negligence in regards to healthcare are serious. Our countries sins in regards to abortion are even worse. Let alone the hellish things that the cabalists do.

[simpleton]

We support, or many of us on this board did at one time, governments that are murderous in their oppression of many countries. Any American or Brit that supported the Gulf Wars, or the war in Ukraine, or has supported the murderous regimes that have ruled in the West for many decades have blood on their hands.

We can say that we didn't personally do it, but have we really worked against the warlords like Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, or George Bush that have destroyed countries like Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Libya, and Syria? I supported the first Gulf War and the second one, at first. I have protested the wars since, but still worked for the US Navy for six or seven years, even after I started to understand what is really going on.

Perhaps I'm not a murderer, per se, but I'm certainly not innocent and I do bear responsibility for not talking my duties as a citizen more seriously in preventing needless and wicked wars of subjugation.

I wonder if it's actually much closer to home. As in the murder of our offspring. Not to minimize what you are talking about, and I suppose that applies. But the more heinous crimes are right in our own homes and hospitals.

I think your right. Most of us on this board didn't encourage anyone to take the stupid vaccines, but many "good" Church members did. Our sins of negligence in regards to healthcare are serious. Our countries sins in regards to abortion are even worse. Let alone the hellish things that the cabalists do.

Abortion and other means, (the pill, uterine devices, patches, etc) the elimination of our species is mainly what I am talking about.

[Shawn Henry]

Isaiah talks more globally, like Revelations and Daniel

Regarding the civil war, Isaiah is referencing Egypt. That's why it starts off, "The Burden of Egypt".

[Being There]

Isaiah talks more globally, like Revelations and Daniel

Regarding the civil war, Isaiah is referencing Egypt. That's why it starts off, "The Burden of Egypt".

https://www.isaiahexplained.com/commentary/19

in Isaiah 19
Isaiah is referencing Egypt, but only as a type ***
" of what happens in the future " - to the U.S.
So more importantly - Egypt is only being referred to - using it as a code name *** - for the U.S. -
what happened to Egypt will happen to the U.S.

as Gileadi explains.
Isaiah’s Ancient Types of End-Time Events
Isaiah’s method of prophesying draws on events from ancient times as building blocks for predicting end-time events. *** Whatever set a precedent in the past may serve as a type of what happens in the future.
Thirty such types show how history repeats itself at the end of the world.
https://www.isaiahexplained.com/resourc ... me-events/


* note
Gileadi translation doesn't use "The Burden of Egypt". -
but 1 " An oracle concerning Egypt:"

*** civil war

When Jehovah enters Egypt riding on swift clouds, the idols of Egypt will rock at his presence

In the book of Isaiah
Egypt, the super power always refers to the U.S.
Assyria - I believe could be modern-day Russia.- the beast - the bear.
The Lord uses him - His left hand - the king of Assyria - to be a scourge to us.


Gileadi

The Struggle within America—Isaiah Saw It

The importance of understanding Isaiah’s message increases daily as world events line up like the planets for the fulfillment of his prophecy.
*** Under the codename “Egypt”—the great superpower of Isaiah’s day—America is predicted to suffer spiritual decline, political ineptitude, economic collapse, internal anarchy, and invasion by a ruthless military world power from the North—an end-time “Assyria.”
On the other hand, a community of covenanters in Egypt turns back to God, who sends them a savior and delivers them (Isaiah 19–20). In the end, as the millennial age begins, “Egypt” again becomes “my people”—a righteous covenant people of God (Isaiah 19:25).

Isaiah 19 (in Isaiah - "Egypt is the U.S.)

"Isaiah 19 addresses the destruction and invasion of modern-day “Egypt”(America) by foreign invaders,
and the “cruel lord and a fierce king” who leads them. He is Isaiah’s “king of Assyria.”
Isaiah 19 also addresses the events that precede this foreign invasion.
There is civil war here first in verse 2. It is brought on by drought in verse 5,
the failure of various kinds of leaders in verses 11-14, and economic collapse in verse 15. "

Isaiah
19
Although the world’s superpower Egypt suffers internal collapse, Jehovah delivers his covenanters.

1 An oracle concerning Egypt:
When Jehovah enters Egypt riding on swift clouds, the idols of Egypt will rock at his presence
and the Egyptians’ hearts melt within them.

Ancient Egypt, where Israel’s ancestors found refuge—birthplace of the birthright tribe of Ephraim, and of Moses, Israel’s deliverer—typifies a land with strong ties between Jehovah’s end-time people and end-time “Egypt.” In the Book of Isaiah’s apocalyptic context—when history repeats itself—the world’s superpower codenamed “Egypt” forms a part of Isaiah’s Greater Babylon and suffers covenant curses in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
So great is Egypt’s desolation on the heels of Jehovah’s “swift clouds” that its people’s hearts “melt within them” as in Isaiah’s vision of Babylon (Isaiah 13:6-8).

*** civil war
2 I will stir up the Egyptians against the Egyptians; they will fight brother against brother and neighbor against neighbor,
city against city and state against state.
3 Egypt’s spirit shall be drained from within; I will frustrate their plans, and they will resort to the idols and to spiritists,
to mediums and witchcraft.

Anarchy and civil war in the great superpower of the world form the prelude to its desolation. As much of the land is destroyed from within, Egypt’s enemies see their chance to invade from without. When Jehovah withdraws his Spirit because of a people’s evildoing, they are left to their own devices. Their alienation causes Jehovah to close the heavens. They lose the light they once had, and a man’s adversaries become those of his own people. Desperate, they turn to false channels of information—idols, spiritists, mediums, and witchcraft—only to compound their plight (Isaiah 8:19-20; 42:17; 44:17; 45:20).

4 Then will I deliver the Egyptians into the hand of a cruel master; a harsh ruler will subject them,says the Lord, Jehovah of Hosts.

The nation of Egypt in Isaiah’s day was ruled by a non-native Afro-Egyptian (Cushite) pharaoh of Egypt’s 25th dynasty (760-656 B.C.) (cf. Isaiah 18:1; 20:3-5).
This was a period of extensive government programs but of moral decline that set the stage for Assyria’s invasion and conquest of Egypt. Like ancient Egypt, end-time “Egypt” deteriorates politically (vv 11-15), experiences economic hardship (vv 8-10), and suffers severe drought conditions (vv 5-7). Egypt—the breadbasket of the world—is reduced to poverty.
Only the God of Israel, who rules over all nations, is able to save Egypt (vv 20-24).

[Shawn Henry]

Egypt, the super power always refers to the U.S.

I said that on page 1 of the thread. "Chapter 19, The Burden of Egypt (America is latter-day Egypt)"