7 spiritual levels

[Shawn Henry]

IsaiahVision triggered a thought in me when he wrote that in Isaiah there are seven spiritual levels.

So, here is my question: What would the BoM look like when translated at level 7 versus level 6?

Or, in other words, should we expect a difference with the BoM being translated with the interpreters versus the Seer stone?

If there's no difference, why are both used?

What we've told ourselves is that JS got better over time and needed less help. That's sounds plausible, but I don't think it fits. I would maintain that there is a qualitative difference between level 6 and 7, but also that level 6 would by high enough to still count the BoM as the most correct book on earth.

I know the debate goes on between scholars as to whether the interpreters were used the whole time versus just for the lost 116 pages and the BoM as we know it with the Seer stone. I'm not weighing in there, but I hope to soon after I read the new book I ordered By Means of the Urim and Thummim by Jonathan Neville and James Lucas.

Hopefully we can all agree that we have been to black and white and have missed discerning the gray.

The bipolar view that there are only two choices, God or the Devil, is fundamentally flawed and doesn't match the world around us.

What are your thoughts? Would level 6 still be of God?

[4Joshua8]

IsaiahVision triggered a thought in me when he wrote that in Isaiah there are seven spiritual levels.

So, here is my question: What would the BoM look like when translated at level 7 versus level 6?

Or, in other words, should we expect a difference with the BoM being translated with the interpreters versus the Seer stone?

If there's no difference, why are both used?

What we've told ourselves is that JS got better over time and needed less help. That's sounds plausible, but I don't think it fits. I would maintain that there is a qualitative difference between level 6 and 7, but also that level 6 would by high enough to still count the BoM as the most correct book on earth.

I know the debate goes on between scholars as to whether the interpreters were used the whole time versus just for the lost 116 pages and the BoM as we know it with the Seer stone. I'm not weighing in there, but I hope to soon after I read the new book I ordered By Means of the Urim and Thummim by Jonathan Neville and James Lucas.

Hopefully we can all agree that we have been to black and white and have missed discerning the gray.

The bipolar view that there are only two choices, God or the Devil, is fundamentally flawed and doesn't match the world around us.

What are your thoughts? Would level 6 still be of God?

If I remember correctly, Jonathan Neville believes that 2 sets of plates were used, one translated with the Urim and Thummim and the other with possibly the stone.

[Ymarsakar]

The translation of words using psi is a kind of mind meld. We get the visual impressions, surface/strong emotions, and surface thoughts of the person we are focusing on. Joseph was only beginning to use his psi/seer abilities, thus having a crystal aid him is the usual tool for beginners. It is true that as they get used to their skills, they won't need crystals as much.

Crystals were also used on the breastplate of the high priest to protect them from the Ark of the Covenant reactor/weapon radiation. 12, 1 for each tribe of Israel.

If I look at words in a foreign language, I won't know what they mean, but certain images andmeanings can come to me and I will then translate them to the appropriate English words.

[Shawn Henry]

If I remember correctly, Jonathan Neville believes that 2 sets of plates were used, one translated with the Urim and Thummim and the other with possibly the stone.

I didn't want to go there. What are your thoughts on the Urim and Thummim and the Seer stone possibly matching different levels of spiritual translation?

[Shawn Henry]

Crystals were also used on the breastplate of the high priest to protect them from the Ark of the Covenant reactor/weapon radiation.

That's why you simply launch a photon torpedo into the reactor, that way you don't get any radiation on you.

[Ymarsakar]

Crystals were also used on the breastplate of the high priest to protect them from the Ark of the Covenant reactor/weapon radiation.

That's why you simply launch a photon torpedo into the reactor, that way you don't get any radiation on you.

The ark had to be carried by hand. Primitives. Don't steady the ark, you will end up dying without the breastplate and crystals.

[4Joshua8]

If I remember correctly, Jonathan Neville believes that 2 sets of plates were used, one translated with the Urim and Thummim and the other with possibly the stone.

I didn't want to go there. What are your thoughts on the Urim and Thummim and the Seer stone possibly matching different levels of spiritual translation?

Seems reasonable.

[Telavian]

Or, in other words, should we expect a difference with the BoM being translated with the interpreters versus the Seer stone?

Can someone fill me in on what these 7 levels are?

I think the Book of Mormon, or any kind of similar work, is a product of the person, the time, and their understanding/access of God. If you change any of those then you will get a different work.

For instance, Joseph's Book of Mormon changes in 1837 I think are a result of his understanding at the time. If Sydney would have done the work then things would very likely have been much more academic.

We are several levels removed from God therefore any understanding we have is going to be wildly skewed by many factors. Also, if the Book of Mormon was translated today then I think there would be several notable differences. That of course doesn't make it less true.

[Shawn Henry]

Can someone fill me in on what these 7 levels are?

It's not an area I've studied, but my assumption is a tiered system with 7 being the highest or closest to God. There are also 7 heavens with 7 being the highest.

[Thinker]

Can someone fill me in on what these 7 levels are?...

I’m guessing…


But I don’t see that as ascending necessarily. As babies we start with the Spirit of God. And to our dying day, we may be humbly reminded of our respect/fear of God.

Swedenborg wrote some interesting specifics about various heavens/hells & I’d guess JS borrowed some. But what I find most helpful is to consider Heaven as here & now - within me & the steps to spiritually grow.

(Again,) Here's a possible interpretation of parts of the 7 seals in Revelations 6... Some terms I learned from Putting on the Mind of Christ by Jim Marion ( - who I disagree with in some ways but see value in this theory of development)...

* 1st seal, a crown is given - birth/life - Archaic & Magical Consciousness
* 2nd seal, a sword is given - ability to discern good from evil - Mythic Consciousness
* 3rd seal, balances are had - questioning myths - Rational Consciousness level
* 4th seal - power was given - can see many perspectives - Vision-Logic Consciousness
* 5th seal - Shown souls who were slain for the word of God - fears conquered for love - Psychic/Spirit Consciousness
* 6th seal - earthquakes, sun black, stars fall - see our imperfections "bursts our egotistical bubble" - Dark night of the senses
* 7th seal - silence, then "all hell breaks loose" with wars & plagues - Confronting "feelings buried alive"- Dark Night/Confronting Shadow Self
* Christ reigns - Spiritual union with God, Our Creators - Christ Consciousness

Personally, I don't think we just go up these stages like a ladder. I think, they are more interconnected. Still, I think Marion helped give a spiritual map for Christians & even explained how Jesus' life shows these steps we ideally take spiritually.

Btw, So much is symbolic, including numbers.
7...
7 days of the week & 7 archangels: Michael (Sunday), Gabriel (Monday), Raphael (Tuesday), Uriel (Wednesday), Selaphiel (Thursday), Raguel or Jegudiel (Friday), and Barachiel (Saturday).
7 colors of the rainbow
7 notes on a musical scale
(fun fact for kids young & old: The opposite sides of a dice always equal the number 7 when added)
7 circles form the symbol called “The Seed of Life”
7 is considered to symbolize Heaven, angels and spiritual development.

[Original_Intent]

IsaiahVision triggered a thought in me when he wrote that in Isaiah there are seven spiritual levels.

So, here is my question: What would the BoM look like when translated at level 7 versus level 6?

Or, in other words, should we expect a difference with the BoM being translated with the interpreters versus the Seer stone?

If there's no difference, why are both used?

What we've told ourselves is that JS got better over time and needed less help. That's sounds plausible, but I don't think it fits. I would maintain that there is a qualitative difference between level 6 and 7, but also that level 6 would by high enough to still count the BoM as the most correct book on earth.

I know the debate goes on between scholars as to whether the interpreters were used the whole time versus just for the lost 116 pages and the BoM as we know it with the Seer stone. I'm not weighing in there, but I hope to soon after I read the new book I ordered By Means of the Urim and Thummim by Jonathan Neville and James Lucas.

Hopefully we can all agree that we have been to black and white and have missed discerning the gray.

The bipolar view that there are only two choices, God or the Devil, is fundamentally flawed and doesn't match the world around us.

What are your thoughts? Would level 6 still be of God?

I don't understand why you would assume level 6 or 7, when I would think level 3 (telestial) or 4 (terrestrial) would be more likely.

[Telavian]

I don't understand why you would assume level 6 or 7, when I would think level 3 (telestial) or 4 (terrestrial) would be more likely.

If 7 is the highest, then I would assume anything level 7 would be unfiltered truth direct from God.
I don't think this is possible with human language.

[Atrasado]

These are the seven levels that Gileadi identifies:

1. Perdition
2. Babylonian
3. Jacob/Israel
4. Zion/Jerusalem
5. Sons/Servants
6. Seraphs
7. Jehovah as Savior and God of Israel (only Jesus is in this category among the children of men)

Gileadi's explanation is quite illuminating.

[BeNotDeceived]

all hell breaks loose

Some time between 2025 and 2040, although 448/2448 definitely stands out.

[Original_Intent]

I don't understand why you would assume level 6 or 7, when I would think level 3 (telestial) or 4 (terrestrial) would be more likely.

If 7 is the highest, then I would assume anything level 7 would be unfiltered truth direct from God.
I don't think this is possible with human language.

I believe so.

Also, came across this video today. So far, quite good, but it will not be a good time for those who do not like to think outside their boundaries.
As it is Rudoph Steiner, I suspect the_creator will enjoy it if he has not seen/read this lecture before.

[BeNotDeceived]

I don't understand why you would assume level 6 or 7, when I would think level 3 (telestial) or 4 (terrestrial) would be more likely.

If 7 is the highest, then I would assume anything level 7 would be unfiltered truth direct from God.
I don't think this is possible with human language.

Requires letter-number equivalence understanding similar to Hebrew as per march8miracle.org.

[CMajor]

I believe it refers to Seven layers of the Spirit World.

It is here on the surface of the earth where 1/3 of the host of heaven was cast, being the lowest level of the spirit world

Many spirits who die, do not all go to the light for various reasons. Some do not feel worthy enough to go to the light. Yet others who die from blunt force trama, such as having a train hit them, head on collisions, murdered, sometimes just do not know they are dead. Look at the book, Visions of Glory, in the waiting room of the hospital, there were many spirits trying to communicate with loved ones who just could not hear them. Still others who die in their home, like being in that home, and just hang out there.

Those who have had bodies and then die but don't go to the light, are called "un-clean spirits" The Demons are the 1/3 who never had a body. They spend all of their time trying to get inside our bodies through Portals. Swear words uttered....create a portal, and in they go. Impure thoughts....in they go. Going under the knife in surgery, creates a portal.

That is why we must be on guard with our speech and thoughts.

[Ymarsakar]

Or, in other words, should we expect a difference with the BoM being translated with the interpreters versus the Seer stone?

Can someone fill me in on what these 7 levels are?

I think the Book of Mormon, or any kind of similar work, is a product of the person, the time, and their understanding/access of God. If you change any of those then you will get a different work.

For instance, Joseph's Book of Mormon changes in 1837 I think are a result of his understanding at the time. If Sydney would have done the work then things would very likely have been much more academic.

We are several levels removed from God therefore any understanding we have is going to be wildly skewed by many factors. Also, if the Book of Mormon was translated today then I think there would be several notable differences. That of course doesn't make it less true.

Yea, if Joseph Smith knew what Heiser and others knew, he would not use the title "LORD" to refer to YHVH.

The other christian lineages say that Mormons believe in another god/jesus. THat's actually quite right. Since other lines abhor the thought that Jeshua/Heyl-El are brothers.

Throughout the bible, such as the era of Samuel vs Baal, the idea that everyone knew who the Lord/YHVH/Baal was, that wasn't the case. Many in the House of Israel thought their Lord was YHVH, but Samuel proved that no, your lord was Baal. Sons of perdition, devil's own bloodline, these are real lineages and bloodlines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seaJcY0 ... llcw%3D%3D

This is the 7 densities of consciousness explained in a short digest. This comes via the RaConfederation, which is the same Ra as the Sun god worshipped by that monotheist pharoah, and the same sound in Israel. Isis Ra El. Trinity of angelic collectives, technically archangel collectives.

[Shawn Henry]

I don't understand why you would assume level 6 or 7, when I would think level 3 (telestial) or 4 (terrestrial) would be more likely.

It's not necessarily at what level the drop is, but that there is a drop from interpreters down to the Seer stone. I would submit that there would have to be a qualitative drop when the interpreters are not used.

[Shawn Henry]

Nobody has engaged the main point of the thread: Should there be a difference between the interpreters and the Seer stone?

[Original_Intent]

Nobody has engaged the main point of the thread: Should there be a difference between the interpreters and the Seer stone?

I'd say no one has engaged with it because it is an unanswerable question.
Regarding interpreters, seer stone, and nothing, we really don't know what that means.
Are the interpreters and/or stone tools or crutches? I would tend to think of them as training wheels - it is easier to have faith when you are holding a physical object with "powers". But I could be completely wrong, and it could be the opposite - the point being we don't know. Even if we had some authoritative statement, would that really mean anything with certainty?

[Thinker]

Some time…

Your DS will be played…


…and sometime you will take a break from reasonable posting along with leftist forums, to share with us less reasonable, astucious thoughts about your DS & number superstitions. Maybe you especially hold resentment for me daring to suggest a man is a man & a woman is a woman. The infinite audacity! We should be happy to be forced to bow to homosexual whims, right, “BenotDeceived”?

[Ymarsakar]

Nobody has engaged the main point of the thread: Should there be a difference between the interpreters and the Seer stone?

The interpreter may have been lost tech. Extremely high magick spirit artifact.

Seer stones are crystals like quartz. These are also tech but a natural technical aid.

I have not handled a los tech artifact or divine artifact so i will not speculate how better it is vd quartz or mossanite tools

[Thinker]

Should there be a difference between the interpreters and the Seer stone?

There is a difference between godly truth and human becomings interpreting it.

A difficult truth - at least for me - is remembering that everything I, or anyone else thinks is subjectively interpreted. Nobody is capable of objective truth - not even Ymarkasar. This is why study of the soul (psych - ology) & emotional intelligence are inseparable to spirituality.

[Ymarsakar]

It is a logickal contradiction.

The statement itself is claiming obj truth by denying it to others. A simple and obvious flaw