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In closing I want to say that JST restorations that Joseph Smith did in Isaiah 2 help make the chapter make more sense and makes the whole chiasmus possible along with sub-chiasmus also. To me showing that it was from YHWH through the prophet Josep Smith.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2023/09/06/jst- ... -chiasmus/

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If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."

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Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 6th, 2023, 5:40 pm If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."
I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/

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SJR3t2 wrote: September 6th, 2023, 6:47 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 6th, 2023, 5:40 pm If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."
I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/
Nope. He's the only one who truly understands Isaiah.

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SJR3t2 wrote: September 6th, 2023, 6:47 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 6th, 2023, 5:40 pm If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."
I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/
I know Avraham personally and have worked with him on projects. He gives a TON away for free, but he's a scholar as well. He writes books and does a crapload of research. He uses the money he makes to reinvest back into creating more resources like isaiahprophecy.com which I built for him (for free by the way) but he pays other people that do other things related to the Isaiah Institute.

If he was saying that you must buy his books to have salvation and such, that would be priestcraft. He's not saying his books are essential, he's providing commentary as a scholar using scholarly processes. His retranslation of Isaiah is free online, the whole book Windows on the Prophecy of Isaiah is free online as well, and IsaiahProphecy.com is basically a whole book free online. His emails over years and years essentially cover all the material in his books as well for free.

I don't have a problem with people that sell physical books, you have to charge for them, you can't just give all that away for free someone has to pay for it. I have a couple editions of Lectures on Faith I created and sell, and while expensive, they are sold AT COST, I make $0 off them.

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Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 7th, 2023, 12:17 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 6th, 2023, 6:47 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 6th, 2023, 5:40 pm If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."
I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/
Nope. He's the only one who truly understands Isaiah.
We disagree for sure. And we are not going to convince each other. I've been to some of his talks, and know some of what he teaches. In my honest opinion it contradicts the BoM.

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oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 2:28 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 6th, 2023, 6:47 pm
Rumpelstiltskin wrote: September 6th, 2023, 5:40 pm If you want to understand Isaiah, read the Gileadi translation. He was taught after the manner of prophesying among the Jews. Go to https://isaiahexplained.com/ and click on "Apocalyptic Commentary."
I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/
I know Avraham personally and have worked with him on projects. He gives a TON away for free, but he's a scholar as well. He writes books and does a crapload of research. He uses the money he makes to reinvest back into creating more resources like isaiahprophecy.com which I built for him (for free by the way) but he pays other people that do other things related to the Isaiah Institute.

If he was saying that you must buy his books to have salvation and such, that would be priestcraft. He's not saying his books are essential, he's providing commentary as a scholar using scholarly processes. His retranslation of Isaiah is free online, the whole book Windows on the Prophecy of Isaiah is free online as well, and IsaiahProphecy.com is basically a whole book free online. His emails over years and years essentially cover all the material in his books as well for free.

I don't have a problem with people that sell physical books, you have to charge for them, you can't just give all that away for free someone has to pay for it. I have a couple editions of Lectures on Faith I created and sell, and while expensive, they are sold AT COST, I make $0 off them.
Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.

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SJR3t2 wrote: September 7th, 2023, 8:20 pm
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 2:28 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 6th, 2023, 6:47 pm

I disagree with you. Gileadi is pushing oral law into his teachings which is not a good thing. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/oral-law/. He also is practicing priestcraft in asking for donations so he can do his research and then asking you to pay for what he came up with. https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/28/book ... iestcraft/
I know Avraham personally and have worked with him on projects. He gives a TON away for free, but he's a scholar as well. He writes books and does a crapload of research. He uses the money he makes to reinvest back into creating more resources like isaiahprophecy.com which I built for him (for free by the way) but he pays other people that do other things related to the Isaiah Institute.

If he was saying that you must buy his books to have salvation and such, that would be priestcraft. He's not saying his books are essential, he's providing commentary as a scholar using scholarly processes. His retranslation of Isaiah is free online, the whole book Windows on the Prophecy of Isaiah is free online as well, and IsaiahProphecy.com is basically a whole book free online. His emails over years and years essentially cover all the material in his books as well for free.

I don't have a problem with people that sell physical books, you have to charge for them, you can't just give all that away for free someone has to pay for it. I have a couple editions of Lectures on Faith I created and sell, and while expensive, they are sold AT COST, I make $0 off them.
Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.
You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.

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oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 10:38 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 7th, 2023, 8:20 pm
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 2:28 pm
I know Avraham personally and have worked with him on projects. He gives a TON away for free, but he's a scholar as well. He writes books and does a crapload of research. He uses the money he makes to reinvest back into creating more resources like isaiahprophecy.com which I built for him (for free by the way) but he pays other people that do other things related to the Isaiah Institute.

If he was saying that you must buy his books to have salvation and such, that would be priestcraft. He's not saying his books are essential, he's providing commentary as a scholar using scholarly processes. His retranslation of Isaiah is free online, the whole book Windows on the Prophecy of Isaiah is free online as well, and IsaiahProphecy.com is basically a whole book free online. His emails over years and years essentially cover all the material in his books as well for free.

I don't have a problem with people that sell physical books, you have to charge for them, you can't just give all that away for free someone has to pay for it. I have a couple editions of Lectures on Faith I created and sell, and while expensive, they are sold AT COST, I make $0 off them.
Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.
You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.
At least from the content that I have listened to and read I can confidently say that SJR3t2 setting himself up as a light has not been an issue.

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oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 10:38 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 7th, 2023, 8:20 pm
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 2:28 pm
I know Avraham personally and have worked with him on projects. He gives a TON away for free, but he's a scholar as well. He writes books and does a crapload of research. He uses the money he makes to reinvest back into creating more resources like isaiahprophecy.com which I built for him (for free by the way) but he pays other people that do other things related to the Isaiah Institute.

If he was saying that you must buy his books to have salvation and such, that would be priestcraft. He's not saying his books are essential, he's providing commentary as a scholar using scholarly processes. His retranslation of Isaiah is free online, the whole book Windows on the Prophecy of Isaiah is free online as well, and IsaiahProphecy.com is basically a whole book free online. His emails over years and years essentially cover all the material in his books as well for free.

I don't have a problem with people that sell physical books, you have to charge for them, you can't just give all that away for free someone has to pay for it. I have a couple editions of Lectures on Faith I created and sell, and while expensive, they are sold AT COST, I make $0 off them.
Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.
You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.
That is true, but I'm not, if anyone is setting themselves up as a light its Avraham.

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ransomme wrote: September 8th, 2023, 4:15 am
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 10:38 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 7th, 2023, 8:20 pm

Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.
You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.
At least from the content that I have listened to and read I can confidently say that SJR3t2 setting himself up as a light has not been an issue.
Thank you.

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SJR3t2 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 9:29 pm
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 10:38 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 7th, 2023, 8:20 pm

Either way I don't agree with what he is teaching. And I give everything I do away on religious matters for free period.
You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.
That is true, but I'm not, if anyone is setting themselves up as a light its Avraham.
Can you elaborate on what specifically he's doing to earn such an accusation? Selling books? Spreading information? At one point does someone go from blogging and sharing ideas as you do to being accused of setting oneself up as a light?

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oneClimbs wrote: September 13th, 2023, 1:14 pm
SJR3t2 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 9:29 pm
oneClimbs wrote: September 7th, 2023, 10:38 pm

You can still be doing priestcraft if you are setting yourself up as a light even if you aren't asking for money.
That is true, but I'm not, if anyone is setting themselves up as a light its Avraham.
Can you elaborate on what specifically he's doing to earn such an accusation? Selling books? Spreading information? At one point does someone go from blogging and sharing ideas as you do to being accused of setting oneself up as a light?
You mean like how you gave specifics on your accusations of me? I'll pass because I don't believe you sincerely want to know and I don't want to take the time. Not to mention this thread is about the Chiasmus I did, and you are hijacking it with Avraham.

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