Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 10

[CaptainM]

Due to an overwhelming demand ... and feeling a need to defend the original truth of 1827 - 1829, I will be stating herein some discussion points in piecemeal fashion. Rather than present all 30 plus at once, this will give anyone interested opportunity to absorb and research the ideas and comments if interested. These points are mainly from a gentleman named Richard Bauman taken from his series entitled "What Happened To The Church". (See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrywgxUo ... 1hbg%3D%3D)

Like most documentaries I add that the views of the author do not necessarily represent my views. However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship. Many of the Book of Mormon references are given as the RLDS version.

I quote:

...the following documented statements should bring the reader to the realization that ... Joseph Smith
indeed "yielded to the persuasions of men". Consequently in just a very short time, the truths of the unchangeable God became so obscured that those whose job it was to bring forth and establish the truth became the enemy by concealing the truth!.

29. March 28, 1835 Joseph receives a "revelation" (RLDSD&C 104: 1-30) with the full blown concept of Two priesthoods - one named Melchisedec to avoid using Christ's name. Masonry also commands avoiding using the name or God, - the other named Aaronic, an inferior order supposedly left over after the superior order was taken from the earth (this concept was also put into the "Inspired" translation, see Exodus 34:1, but is not in the King James version.) This concept, which does fit with Masonic priesthood concepts, cannot account for the divine power of Joshua, Elijah, etc., etc.!! What power those little ol' Aaronic priests had.

30. Aug 17. 1835 A new book of revelations was approved, that had many revelations that were previously written as the word of God, but now having many parts changed, added to, or deleted.

Notice the pattern:
1. Through the stone, at the completion of the Book of Mormon Manuscript, the commandment from the unchangeable God was that the Book of Mormon was to be used for ALL things pertaining to his church, his gospel, and his rock. And we were to rely on it. That was June, 1829.

2. Nov. 12-13, the leaders or the church made the decision that from then on the new "revelations" (Book of Commandments) was to be used for the foundation of the church and the keys to the mysteries.

3. Aug.17, 1835 many of the new "revelations" were changed, added to, or deleted, and additional "Revelations" added. These were now the doctrines of the church of the "Unchangeable God" that had established His church with "the fullness of the Gospel" in 1829.

31. March 27,1836 The dedication of the Kirtland Temple didn't accomplish anything. (see RLDS C.H. VOL. 2, pp. 33-45)

To Summarize:

Joseph, in his dedicatory prayer, prayed that the "ministers anointing...be sealed upon them with power from on high: let it be fulfilled upon them as upon those on the day of Pentecost; let the gift of tongues be poured out upon thy people, even cloven tongues as of fire, and the interpretation thereof. And let thy house be filled, as with a mighty rushing wind, with thy glory"

Yes, after many promises, and much labor and sacrifice over several years, and an hour dedicatory service, there was NO display of power. The people went home.

32. March 29, 1836 The first foot-washing ceremony was held in the Temple. (That doesn't exist in the Book of Mormon, either!)

33. 1837 A new Book of Mormon was published in Kirtland, with changes in the relationship or God and Christ: Several locations now have the words "the son of " inserted that detracts from its original clear and simple meaning,

The mess in Nauvoo has already been covered. While Brigham Young has been blamed for some strange and wicked doctrines, it is obvious that IF Joseph didn't promote them, he at least condoned them.

Can you now see, brothers and sisters, that it is not enough to go back to the church of 1980, or 1960, or 1900, or 1860, or to the church established according to the laws of the land April 6, 1830. There is only one answer: repent from all the vain traditions and hypocrisies formulated since that time.Turn to the Holy Book of Mormon, believe what it says and rely on the words of Christ. Then you will not have to defend nor fight against Joseph Smith or any of his offspring, or against open communion, nor against women's ordination, nor baptism by letter, nor against polygamy, nor against liberalism or fundamentalism. INDEED AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, THE "FUNDAMENTALISTS" ARE AS FAR OFF BASE AS THE LIBERALS! If you claim to be a "Fundamentalist", and you disagree with this statement, then you need to review the test in PART II.

All of the controversial issues burdening the churches of the "Restoration" at the present time are designed by satan to cause you to waste the days of your probation by arguing or worrying or trying to destroy each other rather than studying the Book ofMormon!

End of series!

[Shawn Henry]

End of series!

Too bad it has to end. Dick Bauman has made some really great points, and he has shown to be an amazing student of the scriptures and the history of the church.

I was a little disturbed when I learned that Masonry has two priesthoods, and that they are called Aaronic and Melchizedek.

It is a fair point to ask, should we be saying "by the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood"? Jesus said whatsoever thing we do, do it in his name. The Bible and the Book of Mormon heal in the name of Jesus. They don't mention any other name. There was indeed a revelation to pattern the church after the BoM, so we should be healing like they do.

It does boggle the mind that they could receive a revelation that tells them not to publish the revelations and then later they publish them.

It does seem that the washing of feet was simply a custom of the day and not an actual ordinance. It seems men turned it into an ordinance. Rather telling that it is not in the BoM, which the church was to be patterned after.

[Luke]

“Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer did not want to be governed by the Priesthood — they wanted a Sunday-go-to-meet’n-religion. They wanted to go to Church and talk religion, get all excited, get the Spirit, and enjoy the natural love of an association with the Saints. But aside from all this, they also wanted to live under the government of the United States. They didn’t want to live under the Government of the Priesthood. Of course, the government of the United States does not require Total Commitment from its people. So a Theocracy (and by this I refer again to a Celestial Theocracy) requires a great deal more than the government of the United States does. And it was because of these additional requirements that Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer apostatized and left the Church.” — Fred C. Collier (Doctrinal Teachings of Patriarch Fred C. Collier vol 2. <16 April 1992> page 986)

The Book of Mormon clearly says:

3 Nephi 26
6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people;
7 But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he taught the people.
8 And these things have I written, which are a lesser part of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.
9 And when they shall have received this, which is expedient that they should have first, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.
10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.
11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying: I will try the faith of my people.

You claim that all that we need is in the Book of Mormon—if that is the case, why does Mormon refer to what is written in that book as a “lesser part”? It appears that you, and, I think now, quite a large portion of this forum, are not interested in the “greater things” spoken of in the Book of Mormon, and want what David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, etc. wanted. That’s fine. But allow me to tell you that there will be a remnant who God will preserve to perpetuate the “greater things”. And they will be the faithful few who will bear off the Kingdom, build the New Jerusalem, and usher in the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

[Telavian]

It is a fair point to ask, should we be saying "by the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood"? Jesus said whatsoever thing we do, do it in his name. The Bible and the Book of Mormon heal in the name of Jesus. They don't mention any other name. There was indeed a revelation to pattern the church after the BoM, so we should be healing like they do.

Those that really have this power I doubt refer to it like this. There is really no Aaronic and Melchizedek "priesthoods". There are just different levels of God's power.

[Luke]

It is a fair point to ask, should we be saying "by the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood"? Jesus said whatsoever thing we do, do it in his name. The Bible and the Book of Mormon heal in the name of Jesus. They don't mention any other name. There was indeed a revelation to pattern the church after the BoM, so we should be healing like they do.

Because healing is a matter of faith, not necessarily Priesthood. Priesthood pertains to administering the ordinances. As Joseph Smith taught plainly in April 1842.

[Telavian]

You claim that all that we need is in the Book of Mormon—if that is the case, why does Mormon refer to what is written in that book as a “lesser part”? It appears that you, and, I think now, quite a large portion of this forum, are not interested in the “greater things” spoken of in the Book of Mormon, and want what David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, etc. wanted. That’s fine. But allow me to tell you that there will be a remnant who God will preserve to perpetuate the “greater things”. And they will be the faithful few who will bear off the Kingdom, build the New Jerusalem, and usher in the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

God's kingdom can't be built up unless it is by the law of the celestial kingdom which is the law of consecration.
"But behold, they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them; and are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom; and Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself. And my people must needs be chastened until they learn obedience, if it must needs be, by the things which they suffer." D&C 105:2-6

[Luke]

You claim that all that we need is in the Book of Mormon—if that is the case, why does Mormon refer to what is written in that book as a “lesser part”? It appears that you, and, I think now, quite a large portion of this forum, are not interested in the “greater things” spoken of in the Book of Mormon, and want what David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, etc. wanted. That’s fine. But allow me to tell you that there will be a remnant who God will preserve to perpetuate the “greater things”. And they will be the faithful few who will bear off the Kingdom, build the New Jerusalem, and usher in the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

God's kingdom can't be built up unless it is by the law of the celestial kingdom which is the law of consecration.
"But behold, they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them; and are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom; and Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself. And my people must needs be chastened until they learn obedience, if it must needs be, by the things which they suffer." D&C 105:2-6

I 100% agree.

[Shawn Henry]

You claim that all that we need is in the Book of Mormon—if that is the case, why does Mormon refer to what is written in that book as a “lesser part”? It appears that you, and, I think now, quite a large portion of this forum, are not interested in the “greater things” spoken of in the Book of Mormon, and want what David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, etc. wanted. That’s fine. But allow me to tell you that there will be a remnant who God will preserve to perpetuate the “greater things”. And they will be the faithful few who will bear off the Kingdom, build the New Jerusalem, and usher in the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

This is the part we should be talking about; "if it shall so be that they shall believe these things".

We didn't believe "these things". Matter of fact, we were put under condemnation for not believing the BoM.

Why, pray tell, would God put us under condemnation for not believing the BoM and then give us the greater things that we get when we believe in the BoM? Makes no sense.

The greater things were never meant to come forth at the same time as the lesser things. The greater things come forth later during the marvelous work and a wonder.

I did not claim all we need is the BoM. I simply pointed out that there is a revelation telling us to rely on it and to only preach from it. All are free to disregard the 1829 revelations, but I want to know why an unchanging God changes his revelations.

[Shawn Henry]

It is a fair point to ask, should we be saying "by the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood"? Jesus said whatsoever thing we do, do it in his name. The Bible and the Book of Mormon heal in the name of Jesus. They don't mention any other name. There was indeed a revelation to pattern the church after the BoM, so we should be healing like they do.

Because healing is a matter of faith, not necessarily Priesthood. Priesthood pertains to administering the ordinances. As Joseph Smith taught plainly in April 1842.

That doesn't answer the question. The BoM and NT apostles had authority, but which authority did they state? The authority they stated was the name of Jesus. Do you see the problem? In scriptures the only authority they state is the name of Jesus.

We state a name that isn't Jesus, and we wonder why we don't have healing miracles.

If Jesus said to do everything in his name, don't you think healings would be included?