That's only talking about the law of Moses which is primarily the two daily lambs that only the Levites did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7_0J2 ... n&index=26blitzinstripes wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 4:17 am Colossians 2:16 is quite clear that the old Sabbath was fulfilled, as was the rest of the "old" law, in Christ.
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Religious Textualism and the Sabbath
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It literally says SABBATH.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 6:43 pmThat's only talking about the law of Moses which is primarily the two daily lambs that only the Levites did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7_0J2 ... n&index=26blitzinstripes wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 4:17 am Colossians 2:16 is quite clear that the old Sabbath was fulfilled, as was the rest of the "old" law, in Christ.
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fulfil in Matthew means fully preached. It was fulfilled in Mosiah but the believers still strove to keep it.blitzinstripes wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 8:55 pmIt literally says SABBATH.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 6:43 pmThat's only talking about the law of Moses which is primarily the two daily lambs that only the Levites did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7_0J2 ... n&index=26blitzinstripes wrote: ↑September 5th, 2023, 4:17 am Colossians 2:16 is quite clear that the old Sabbath was fulfilled, as was the rest of the "old" law, in Christ.
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Mosiah (LDS 1:4) (RLDS 1:5-6) For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have TAUGHT them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the Egyptians therefore he could read these engravings, and TEACH THEM to his children, that THEREBY they could TEACH THEM to their children, AND SO FULFILLING the commandments of God, even down to this present time.
[Torah teaches us to teach to our children, and them to their children]
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Well, the book of Mosiah seems quite clear, and is identical to the Nemenhah Records:
One day in seven17 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates;
19 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Another interesting parallel from Mosiah 18
And again, here we have the repeat of one day a week. I don’t think you could get it any more clear than this… other than which day of the week they worshipped:
They were taught not only to worship on the Sabbath, but also set aside time every day.23 And he commanded them that they should observe the sabbath day, and keep it holy, and also every day they should give thanks to the Lord their God.
And again, here we have the repeat of one day a week. I don’t think you could get it any more clear than this… other than which day of the week they worshipped:
24 And he also commanded them that the priests whom he had ordained should labor with their own hands for their support.
25 And there was one day in every week that was set apart that they should gather themselves together to teach the people, and to worship the Lord their God, and also, as often as it was in their power, to assemble themselves together.
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Christ is being described as a collective of bodies, minds, and spirits.
THus the mind and spirit of god is not with the recipients, but the recipients are to look to the body of christ to see what to do instead of the rules of man.
The body of christ will instinctively do what is healthy and holy, even though they will not understand it nor will they always be guided by god's spirit.
For some, it is 4 days out of every 7. Or 2. Depending on their position in the body, the spleen heart and skin does different functions.
This is another allusion to apotheosis, mankind metamorphosing into godkind. Which opposes transhumanism where humans metamorphose into metabook deathbook the book of death, and become machines/tools of the qabal.
It is simply natural for the human body to need at least 1 of 7 days of rest. In plaeces like Asia where this is not the case, people overwork themselves and then die. Somehow they just die at their work desk because their spirits are fed up with the overwork and chose to leave. A black corporation in Japan is an euphemism for an exploitative corp that pulls 2-3 straight all nighters, and doesn't give people off days or vacation. You work at your desk, never go home to take baths (Japanese love baths), and just go when the work is done. Contract labor, similar to servitude.
THus the mind and spirit of god is not with the recipients, but the recipients are to look to the body of christ to see what to do instead of the rules of man.
The body of christ will instinctively do what is healthy and holy, even though they will not understand it nor will they always be guided by god's spirit.
For some, it is 4 days out of every 7. Or 2. Depending on their position in the body, the spleen heart and skin does different functions.
This is another allusion to apotheosis, mankind metamorphosing into godkind. Which opposes transhumanism where humans metamorphose into metabook deathbook the book of death, and become machines/tools of the qabal.
It is simply natural for the human body to need at least 1 of 7 days of rest. In plaeces like Asia where this is not the case, people overwork themselves and then die. Somehow they just die at their work desk because their spirits are fed up with the overwork and chose to leave. A black corporation in Japan is an euphemism for an exploitative corp that pulls 2-3 straight all nighters, and doesn't give people off days or vacation. You work at your desk, never go home to take baths (Japanese love baths), and just go when the work is done. Contract labor, similar to servitude.
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I label you the little pinky in the Body of Christ.Cruiserdude wrote: ↑September 4th, 2023, 6:59 amAnyone can label me whatever they want, I know how the Lord labels me and that's really the only thing that matters to me.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 4th, 2023, 6:02 am I have two questions to cover with this post, both highlighted in blue below. Here's a bit of background as to where these questions came from.
Yesterday I used the word “Sabbath” in a social media post. This is how my comment began: “A few thoughts to ponder on this Sabbath.” From there, I shared my viewpoint on how we often misinterpret Amos 3:7 and D&C 1:38. The most important aspect being the idea that we should validate the words of any man through a witness of the Holy Ghost. What was strange though was the response I received from one man. He essentially stated that since I was striving to listen to the HG I surely wouldn’t call the 1st day of the week the Sabbath. He was alluding to the fact that I was calling the wrong day the Sabbath.
I responded that I felt the Lord was ok w/ my worshipping on Sunday, and that I was happy that he had chosen a different day to call the Sabbath. He then chimed in stating that he thought I was a “textualist” and proceeded to state his opinion that it was a commandment to worship on Saturday. My responses must have rubbed him the wrong way because he felt it necessary to tell me that he “unfriended” me and then blocked me. (How did we become so fragile btw?)
For context, this is the definition of a Textualist: “a person who adheres strictly to a text, especially that of religious scriptures.”
So here are my questions:
#1: Do you see yourself as being a Religious Textualist and would you ever use that phrase to strengthen your viewpoint on supposed doctrines and worship practices?
#2: How do you define the Sabbath and is a person breaking a commandment by worshipping on a day other than Saturday?
As a footnote, the man I’m referring to is very well-known in certain Mormon circles (he’s not LDS) and is one of the preeminent collectors of Mormon historical artifacts.
While I can appreciate the importance folks' put on the many different details involving religion, I can tell you from my own personal experience, and it's my personal opinion based on those experiences, the Lord truly looks upon our hearts ABOVE ALL OTHER THINGS. It is my sincere belief that we vastly underestimate the mercy, and subsequent peace that comes when we do see and realize that mercy, that is allotted us when we sincerely and consciously turn our hearts and lives over to Him. When our hearts are converted to Him, it's almost as if everyday, in a sense, becomes the 'Sabbath'. We're constantly on His errand, everything we do is with a focus on Him. We go to work and do the things we have to do as part of this temporal existence, BUT we do those things with our focus and our hearts turned to Him and serving our fellow men. And if there are things in our day to day life that don't jive with being a disciple of Him, we remove those things. In essence, we do live our life 'unto the Lord'.
Edit: and I just now see the post after your OP and that's funny that I got basically the same thoughts that you quote from the nemenhah record![]()
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Hmm… well this is also quite interesting from the Nemenhah Record: (Tsahbaht is Sabbath)
This is as clear as I’ve seen it spelled out in scripture. They did worship one day in seven, yet is was based upon lunar cycles.11) Behold, we have taken back the Tsahbaht of our forefathers, wherefore, one day in seven we do dedicate to our Peacemaker and we do all go up to the Tuhhuhlnuhmtsipi (house of worship) to make our oblation unto Him. And when the moon is fullest, behold, we do count seven days and upon that day we do make our Tsahbaht oblation. Then we count seven days again, and so forth. But when the moon is full again, we do begin again our counting. This is the manner of our calculation of the Tsahbahts, for in this way we do honor the Seven Cycles of Creation as Tsahbaht, and also the Lunar Tsahbaht.
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New Moon days are non-work days and worship days according to the scriptures.
