If the church had the MP, shouldn't it be provable?

[Telavian]

According to Alma 9:20-22 God people should have amazing blessings such as visitations, healings, and prophecies. I understand that most people think we do have visions and such but they are "too sacred to share". I can give them that since it is unfalsifiable.

However, what about healings? If the true Melchizedek Priesthood is in the church then shouldn't we be able to prove that through factual means? This would show by LDS people either rarely going to the hospital or healing vastly faster than everyone else. Simply, the LDS people would be the healthiest and safest people on the planet.

As far as I know, the LDS people are just as sick and visits the hospital just as much as everyone else. Therefore, doesn't this mean there is a legitimate problem? Are blessings from God no longer physical, but just all spiritual or "in the next life"?

[karend77]

And how would one "prove" it? I have seen, heard, been a part of MP healings/miracles/etc. It would be nice to hear more stories over the pulpit, or in conversations, and yes many of these experiences are sacred for people. I can share one instance of an individual in our ward who publicly thanked God for the MP healing almost every fast Sunday He had pancreatic cancer and was healed.

It's called being responsible to go to the doctor to find out what one has, and know the treatments/outcomes. It made the healing so much sweeter for this brother, knowing what the medical estb gave him as the outcome vs being healed.

Not every illness/occurance needs a medical doctor if you research and can self diagnose. There are plenty of healthy alternatives to a doctor visit/including a blessing if needed.

Why are LDS sick like others? They are human, they are eating the same polluted , genetically modified foods as others. Most can not grow all their own foods to avoid that. We interact with others than come to work sick and get us sick. etc.....

How do you know that those who are sick didnt get a blessing and the outcome could have been much worse... but they wind up with a milder case of the illness or shorter recovery time because of the MP blessing.

Are there visitations- yes, I have heard of them in our area for certain individuals who needed one. Are there prophecies? Yes, there are many who have been given personal revelations to lead them where they need to be or what they need to be doing.

[Telavian]

And how would one "prove" it?

I would imagine that if the MP took illnesses away or altered them to a less severe strain then on average it should show in the LDS people. The only other conclusion is the LDS people would be much sicker than normal without the MP, however with it then they are average.

I am not doubting the power of God in peoples lives. I am just being a bit realistic. In the LDS church we equate the power of God with modern medicine, and I think the two are fundamentally different.

[karend77]

And how would one "prove" it?

..................... In the LDS church we equate the power of God with modern medicine, and I think the two are fundamentally different.

You are so right about this statement . They are nothing the same. Modern medicine has become a crutch for many. Haven't trusted this "profession" for many years.

[Niemand]

Self-diagnosis can often be a bad idea. It can make hypochondriacs think they have something much worse than they do.

[bbrown]

Fortunately the church as a whole does not have such power. Thank God it does not. If the elders of the church had the power they think they do this entire creation would have been utterly destroyed. Healing is by faith any faithful woman or child can heal as well as any “priesthood holder”, if they have faith and if it is correct for the person to be healed
It is not always correct to heal someone. I’ve seen the power of God. I’ve seen miraculous healings, I’ve seen cases where there was a very clear NO to healing requests.

A person with the power of God has control over Gods creation. Not just healing but control of the elements, power to control the seas, move mountains, raise the dead etc. this power requires true faith and discipline and a true connection with God because their words will manifest. God guards this carefully for our own good. I can count on my fingers (not all of them) the number of people I’ve met with this power. They are very very rare. Miracles do happen by faith and not just among Mormons. God will answer our prayers and needs/requests if it is right

[karend77]

Self-diagnosis can often be a bad idea. It can make hypochondriacs think they have something much worse than they do.

I respectfully disagree.

[karend77]

Fortunately the church as a whole does not have such power. Thank God it does not. If the elders of the church had the power they think they do this entire creation would have been utterly destroyed. Healing is by faith any faithful woman or child can heal as well as any “priesthood holder”, if they have faith and if it is correct for the person to be healed
It is not always correct to heal someone. I’ve seen the power of God. I’ve seen miraculous healings, I’ve seen cases where there was a very clear NO to healing requests.

A person with the power of God has control over Gods creation. Not just healing but control of the elements, power to control the seas, move mountains, raise the dead etc. this power requires true faith and discipline and a true connection with God because their words will manifest. God guards this carefully for our own good. I can count on my fingers (not all of them) the number of people I’ve met with this power. They are very very rare. Miracles do happen by faith and not just among Mormons. God will answer our prayers and needs/requests if it is right

A person's faith is key. Thanks for your words.

[BeNotDeceived]

As provable as the presence of the Davidic Servant where ever he has appeared.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

According to Alma 9:20-22 God people should have amazing blessings such as visitations, healings, and prophecies. I understand that most people think we do have visions and such but they are "too sacred to share". I can give them that since it is unfalsifiable.

However, what about healings? If the true Melchizedek Priesthood is in the church then shouldn't we be able to prove that through factual means? This would show by LDS people either rarely going to the hospital or healing vastly faster than everyone else. Simply, the LDS people would be the healthiest and safest people on the planet.

As far as I know, the LDS people are just as sick and visits the hospital just as much as everyone else. Therefore, doesn't this mean there is a legitimate problem? Are blessings from God no longer physical, but just all spiritual or "in the next life"?

The problem isn't the lack of priesthood, it's a lack of faith. Ever since HJ Grant took the Lectures on Faith from the Doctrine and Covenants as companion reading, the teachings on faith have been watered down to the point where faith is more of a concept than a gift. They push doctors more than faith.

[Wolfwoman]

As others have brought up… Faith!

I have wondered the same thing as you, but not in regards to MP so much as faith. Because Mormon said if miracles have ceased then it’s because of unbelief and a lack of faith.
So lately I’ve thought maybe there’s just not faith anymore on the earth.
I know some have seen miracles. I myself have experienced healings through my faith, but it wasn’t anything major like cancer or something life threatening. And those I have fasted and prayed for have passed to the other side. But I know God takes people when he will. But I do wonder why we don’t see many miracles. Even among people who I think have a lot of faith. But maybe not, since according to Jesus we should be able to do mighty miracles with just a mustard seed of faith.

[Telavian]

As others have brought up… Faith!

I have wondered the same thing as you, but not in regards to MP so much as faith. Because Mormon said if miracles have ceased then it’s because of unbelief and a lack of faith.
So lately I’ve thought maybe there’s just not faith anymore on the earth.
I know some have seen miracles. I myself have experienced healings through my faith, but it wasn’t anything major like cancer or something life threatening. And those I have fasted and prayed for have passed to the other side. But I know God takes people when he will. But I do wonder why we don’t see many miracles. Even among people who I think have a lot of faith. But maybe not, since according to Jesus we should be able to do mighty miracles with just a mustard seed of faith.

I have wondered the same thing. I think our entire lives are built around the concept of *NOT* having faith in God. We outwardly need God for very little today and so we expect very little. In the past it was quite different. You needed your crops to work that year. You needed the roving bandits to stay away. You needed the strange disease to not affect you.

I believe the true test of faith for us will be whether we unite with Babylon for survival or rely on God. At that time we really will need God, and so our prayers will be fundamentally more meaningful.

[Niemand]

Self-diagnosis can often be a bad idea. It can make hypochondriacs think they have something much worse than they do.

I respectfully disagree.

I've seen this happen countless times. Some people think they're dying when they're not for example. I know one or two people who are very bad for this.

I'm not a hypochondriac and rarely visit mainstream doctors these day – last time was at least seven years ago – but there have been a couple of times I've been concerned I had a tumour but it turned out to be something much less bad.

On the other hand, my self-treatments or referrals have been more successful. I do go and see a chiropractor regularly and that has proven to be a good choice. I stopped getting flu jabs years ago and that has proven to be a good choice as well. I haven't had full blown flu in years whereas I used to get it frequently.

[davedan]

I've had many typical illnesses over the years. I have had many priesthood blessings. I have been instantly healed twice (once on my mission). LDS or anyone who follow the word of wisdom (prohibitions and recommendations) do enjoy much better health generally. But LDS could do much better following the word of wisdom with regard to its dietary recommendations and could be much healthier than we are. But anyone of maintains a healthy diet, exercise, and healthy weight will be healthier, MP or no. MP is not magic. I am grateful to know that despite the adversity and trials of life we experience here, that God can and does occasionally intervene.

[Ymarsakar]

According to Alma 9:20-22 God people should have amazing blessings such as visitations, healings, and prophecies. I understand that most people think we do have visions and such but they are "too sacred to share". I can give them that since it is unfalsifiable.

However, what about healings? If the true Melchizedek Priesthood is in the church then shouldn't we be able to prove that through factual means? This would show by LDS people either rarely going to the hospital or healing vastly faster than everyone else. Simply, the LDS people would be the healthiest and safest people on the planet.

As far as I know, the LDS people are just as sick and visits the hospital just as much as everyone else. Therefore, doesn't this mean there is a legitimate problem? Are blessings from God no longer physical, but just all spiritual or "in the next life"?

I am a healer. I heal people everyday at work. I havr not visited a hospital in decades.

[Ymarsakar]

Fortunately the church as a whole does not have such power. Thank God it does not. If the elders of the church had the power they think they do this entire creation would have been utterly destroyed. Healing is by faith any faithful woman or child can heal as well as any “priesthood holder”, if they have faith and if it is correct for the person to be healed
It is not always correct to heal someone. I’ve seen the power of God. I’ve seen miraculous healings, I’ve seen cases where there was a very clear NO to healing requests.

A person with the power of God has control over Gods creation. Not just healing but control of the elements, power to control the seas, move mountains, raise the dead etc. this power requires true faith and discipline and a true connection with God because their words will manifest. God guards this carefully for our own good. I can count on my fingers (not all of them) the number of people I’ve met with this power. They are very very rare. Miracles do happen by faith and not just among Mormons. God will answer our prayers and needs/requests if it is right

That is the placebo effect. Belief changes reality. Aka magick.

[CMajor]

I was taught that if it wasn't a person's time to pass, they would be healed.

Now we have Apostle Bednar turning down requests to bless others. Instead teaching a new strange concept of "do we the faith NOT to be healed"

The word faith has been replaced by the miracle of Doctors. We are led by a Doctor Prophet. He pushes the miracles of medicine, so we don't need to have faith in blessings living in the age of Doctors. Babylon is at its highest power today

Doctor's are first, blessings are last, and most of the blessings are for the Doctor working on you anyway. You rarely hear, "be thou made whole" you don't hear that because of a lack of faith, fear or both. If you are healed after seeing a Doctor, the doctor gets the credit, not God.

[davedan]

miracles do not produce faith, faith produces miracles.

We can be inspiration to others when we pass through illness and are still faithful despite health challenges.

"Tiny Tim Somehow he gets thoughtful, sitting by himself so much, and thinks the strangest things you ever heard. He told me, coming home, that he hoped the people saw him in the church, because he was a cripple, and it might be pleasant to them to remember upon Christmas day who made lame beggars walk, and blind men see." --A Christmas Carol, Charles Dickens

[Ymarsakar]

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