Section 132 resurrection conflict

[CuriousThinker]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

[Ymarsakar]

https://m.youtube.com/live/7sidom-1400? ... _IfSn5dPKQ

This is a better explanatiok of resurrection 30 min first. I also posted nde resurrections in the video forum

[ransomme]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

Good thing 132 can be used as toilet paper.

Yeah it's interesting that per that view a silver medalist in the big leagues (the Celestial) is essentially eternally damned.

Reading section 19, and that there is even an end to eternal suffering (which does not mean without end) then there is hope for progress for all who don't go to outer darkness.

[CuriousThinker]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

Good thing 132 can be used as toilet paper.

Yeah it's interesting that per that view a silver medalist in the big leagues (the Celestial) is essentially eternally damned.

Reading section 19, and that there is even an end to eternal suffering (which does not mean without end) then there is hope for progress for all who don't go to outer darkness.

Yes! I remember being surprised when I read that endless punishment doesn't mean forever punishment but is called endless because Endless is His name and it's His punishment.

[BuriedTartaria]

Section 132 conflicting with established doctrine. Why am I not surprised?

[Robin Hood]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

Good thing 132 can be used as toilet paper.

Yeah it's interesting that per that view a silver medalist in the big leagues (the Celestial) is essentially eternally damned.

Reading section 19, and that there is even an end to eternal suffering (which does not mean without end) then there is hope for progress for all who don't go to outer darkness.

Yes! I remember being surprised when I read that endless punishment doesn't mean forever punishment but is called endless because Endless is His name and it's His punishment.

Makes sense though.
God is just, but it would be unjust to punish someone infinitely for something finite they did.

[LDS Physician]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

If you’re astounded with this single 132 conflict, boy do I have some news for you, lol.

[Wolfwoman]

This reminds me of a fireside talk when I was a youth about how we want to get an A at the end of this life, not a B, because we were obviously not C material since we showed up for the fireside. And getting a B would be the biggest regret to us because we would know that if we had tried a little bit harder we could have gotten the A. I guess A meant highest degree of the celestial kingdom and B must have been right below that.
It is kind of funny to think about now.

But I think we very well could have regrets after this life, because we could’ve always done better and this life is the time to prepare to meet God and all that.

[CuriousThinker]

If the first resurrection is "The righteous will be resurrected before the wicked and will come forth in the First Resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16)" according to the church’s guide to the scriptures, how can verse 19 in 132 when talking about the most righteous people, the cream of the crop, say this, "Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection;"? How would there be a next resurrection for them? It contradicts other scriptures. If the Lord's house is a house of order, and these words are straight from Him (as we are taught) why would anything other than a first resurrection be possible? It also contradicts 76:50.

Also, if you make it to the lowest degree of the Celestial Kingdom why would you be stuck there? So basically only those who make the gold medal of the highest kingdom get to be truly happy. The silver and bronze winners in the celestial kingdom get to be angels and servants forever and ever. All according to 132 and BY. You followed the Doctrine of Christ, were valiant in your testimony, get to live with God, but you still don't get it all forever and ever. I am starting to understand sad heaven.

If you’re astounded with this single 132 conflict, boy do I have some news for you, lol.

Oh, it's just another thing I hadn't noticed before. There are so many!

[TheDuke]

When I was flying fighter bombers in the USAF for interdiction, they decided. to impress the importance of hitting the target, so they said if you miss, you go around and try again. Of course their waiting for you the second time. mean we fly 600 at 200' AGL for surprise. Anyway, we coined the phase of hitting the target the first time is was "one pass and haul @#$!".

That is what LDS teaches as doctrine of progression. One pass and haul @#$. No second round. No real progression between realms after this one shot little earth life. It isn't correct. But, any other doctrine is hard for the masses to swallow and distracts from the current situation. I don't accept it as correct. Why do I bring this up? Because the idea of resurrection in eternal progression makes the first & second & last resurrection concept much more robust. Read the KFD. Joseph clearly says the "first resurrection" is the resurrection of the Just and entry to celestial (or exaltation within it). The second resurrection is for the terrestrial, temporary. The next resurrection is for telestial (temporary but potentially a long time). The last resurrection is for those that don't make it at all (see D&C 88: 32-34). The numbering of the resurrection does not correlate to an order per-se with time in a sequence.

In 132 it is saying the same thing as in our celestial marriage covenants. If you are sealed up by the HSoP, meaning you are for-ordained and accomplished that which you were set to accomplish. Then you're sealed to the reward (eternity together). If you do well, then you're there right after this life. if you perform a more serious sin(s) then you have to pay for it. It will be your reward but at a future point.

BTW bemoan 132 all you want, it describes the mysteries of the kingdom. Been arguing with a friend about who wrote it Joseph or Brigham. I've only had revelation about the first 46 verses, cannot say about the rest but I can say that neither of them wrote it, the Father wrote it via his Son.