What the heck is wrong with some Utah Mormons?

[Kurtis]

- 50% of Mormons are inactive.

- 75% of active Mormons have not bothered to gain a testimony. Church is a social thing and they go with the flow of
appearances to keep their parents and church friends appeased. (those maintaining such appearances are usually
referred to as self-righteous). Those previously referred to, fall into this category.

I'm speculating about 12% of Mormons are humbly pursuing righteousness.

[Lizzy60]

- 50% of Mormons are inactive.

- 75% of active Mormons have not bothered to gain a testimony. Church is a social thing and they go with the flow of
appearances to keep their parents and church friends appeased. (those maintaining such appearances are usually
referred to as self-righteous). Those previously referred to, fall into this category.

I'm speculating about 12% of Mormons are humbly pursuing righteousness.

Jodi Hildebrandt, whose home the children escaped from, was a licensed therapist who Bishops referred people to, and also paid out of church funds, for counseling. She is on video at an LDS mental health conference claiming that God Himself taught her how to heal people by helping them replace their Distortions with Truth. She has been using torture for years to “counsel” people, according to first-hand accounts now being believed instead of swept under the rug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOz5O4ilpiU&t=1528s

[Lizzy60]

Jodi Hildebrandt hospitalized for life-threatening medical issue. Ruby Franke is also in the medical unit, rumored to be on a hunger/water strike, but that is not confirmed.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/09/09/ ... ldebrandt/

Their next hearing is Sept 21. Jodi’s lawyer has asked for hers to be moved up because of the medical issue, with Ruby’s also moved up to keep them on the same time track, while Ruby’s lawyer is asking for her to be moved into October because he has a family vacation on Sept 21. I think a lot of games are being played.

[Lizzy60]

A YouTuber discussing the Ruby/Jodi case showed her viewers a comment she received. It was someone defending Ruby/Jodi. The commenter said people hate them because they are anti-lgbtq and there is a vendetta against them. Commenter claimed that the boy was not injured or harmed and that was all a set-up, including the man who made the 911 call. She said Ruby/Jodi are totally innocent, are wonderful people, blah, blah, blah.

I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned this, but Lauren from Hidden True Crime says she receives email every day saying that Jodi is a wonderful person and therapist, and if any harm has been done, she is not to blame.

It takes all kinds......

[Mamabear]

I watched a little bit of the Mormon stories podcast with Adam Paul Steed. Really disturbing.
Here is the summary of the story:

“Adam Paul Steed, raised Mormon, was abused as an LDS Boy Scout in Idaho. He became a nationally known whistleblower when he turned in a dangerous predator, and teamed with his father to successfully change the Idaho sexual abuse statue of limitations laws. Later, Adam moved to Utah with his new wife to attend Brigham Young University. Soon thereafter tragedy stuck when he fell into the crosshairs of Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt – at the recommendation of his Mormon bishop. Among other violations, Jodi Hildebrandt sought to paint Adam as an abuser (with no evidence), and violated Adam’s client confidentiality by reporting him to the BYU Honor Code office, which led to the suspension of her therapist license around 2012.

Adam believes it possible that Jodi Hildebrandt’s efforts to smear his reputation were possibly motivated by a desire to retaliate against him for his whistleblowing as a Boy Scout.

One important question we ask today – why was Elder Harold G. Hillam (Presidency of the LDS Quorum of the 70, and the President of the very same camp where Adam had been abused) deeply involved in Jodi Hildebrandt’s attacks on Adam.“

Another interesting thing is that Harold Hillam is Bonnie Cordon’s father.

[Wolfwoman]

I watched a little bit of the Mormon stories podcast with Adam Paul Steed. Really disturbing.
Here is the summary of the story:

“Adam Paul Steed, raised Mormon, was abused as an LDS Boy Scout in Idaho. He became a nationally known whistleblower when he turned in a dangerous predator, and teamed with his father to successfully change the Idaho sexual abuse statue of limitations laws. Later, Adam moved to Utah with his new wife to attend Brigham Young University. Soon thereafter tragedy stuck when he fell into the crosshairs of Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt – at the recommendation of his Mormon bishop. Among other violations, Jodi Hildebrandt sought to paint Adam as an abuser (with no evidence), and violated Adam’s client confidentiality by reporting him to the BYU Honor Code office, which led to the suspension of her therapist license around 2012.

Adam believes it possible that Jodi Hildebrandt’s efforts to smear his reputation were possibly motivated by a desire to retaliate against him for his whistleblowing as a Boy Scout.

One important question we ask today – why was Elder Harold G. Hillam (Presidency of the LDS Quorum of the 70, and the President of the very same camp where Adam had been abused) deeply involved in Jodi Hildebrandt’s attacks on Adam.“

Another interesting thing is that Harold Hillam is Bonnie Cordon’s father.

I heard him on the hidden true crime channel, but not the Mormon stories channel yet.

Why would Jodi want to retaliate against Adam for being a Boy Scout whistleblower?
Are you saying maybe there is a child abuse conspiracy in the LDS church where child abuse is… encouraged? And covered up?

So was Adam sexually abused by an LDS man then? At an LDS Boy Scout camp? (Not sure if boy scout camps were considered LDS or not.)

[Mamabear]

I watched a little bit of the Mormon stories podcast with Adam Paul Steed. Really disturbing.
Here is the summary of the story:

“Adam Paul Steed, raised Mormon, was abused as an LDS Boy Scout in Idaho. He became a nationally known whistleblower when he turned in a dangerous predator, and teamed with his father to successfully change the Idaho sexual abuse statue of limitations laws. Later, Adam moved to Utah with his new wife to attend Brigham Young University. Soon thereafter tragedy stuck when he fell into the crosshairs of Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt – at the recommendation of his Mormon bishop. Among other violations, Jodi Hildebrandt sought to paint Adam as an abuser (with no evidence), and violated Adam’s client confidentiality by reporting him to the BYU Honor Code office, which led to the suspension of her therapist license around 2012.

Adam believes it possible that Jodi Hildebrandt’s efforts to smear his reputation were possibly motivated by a desire to retaliate against him for his whistleblowing as a Boy Scout.

One important question we ask today – why was Elder Harold G. Hillam (Presidency of the LDS Quorum of the 70, and the President of the very same camp where Adam had been abused) deeply involved in Jodi Hildebrandt’s attacks on Adam.“

Another interesting thing is that Harold Hillam is Bonnie Cordon’s father.

I heard him on the hidden true crime channel, but not the Mormon stories channel yet.

Why would Jodi want to retaliate against Adam for being a Boy Scout whistleblower?
Are you saying maybe there is a child abuse conspiracy in the LDS church where child abuse is… encouraged? And covered up?

So was Adam sexually abused by an LDS man then? At an LDS Boy Scout camp? (Not sure if boy scout camps were considered LDS or not.)

https://m.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM? ... GigclyBSlV

Here’s the link. Skip to around 13 minute mark where the intro starts.
Adam was molested by an lds man before lds scout camp as were many other boys and some were even molested by him at camp. He explains the details of the cover up by many church leaders and k&m.
Molestation was covered up.

Jodi was a therapist that many bishops referred people to.
Adam then went to byu where he was referred to Jodi by his bishop and things went downhill. I’ve yet to watch that portion of the interview.

[Silver Pie]

Oh. My. Heck.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... avior.html

Wow! :eyes_popping:

After her arrest, one of Ruby's adult children spoke out on social media and shared that she was excited to see justice finally served to her mom.

In an Instagram story after her mom's arrest, Shari, 20, celebrated her mom's arrest and said she had been 'trying to tell the police and CPS for years about this.'

Shari also said that she is 'so glad they finally decided to step up' and that her siblings are safe, DailyMail.com reported.

The 20-year-old shared an image of police officers outside the family's Springville, Utah home along with the caption 'Finally.

[Bonhoeffer]

I watched a little bit of the Mormon stories podcast with Adam Paul Steed. Really disturbing.
Here is the summary of the story:

“Adam Paul Steed, raised Mormon, was abused as an LDS Boy Scout in Idaho. He became a nationally known whistleblower when he turned in a dangerous predator, and teamed with his father to successfully change the Idaho sexual abuse statue of limitations laws. Later, Adam moved to Utah with his new wife to attend Brigham Young University. Soon thereafter tragedy stuck when he fell into the crosshairs of Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt – at the recommendation of his Mormon bishop. Among other violations, Jodi Hildebrandt sought to paint Adam as an abuser (with no evidence), and violated Adam’s client confidentiality by reporting him to the BYU Honor Code office, which led to the suspension of her therapist license around 2012.

Adam believes it possible that Jodi Hildebrandt’s efforts to smear his reputation were possibly motivated by a desire to retaliate against him for his whistleblowing as a Boy Scout.

One important question we ask today – why was Elder Harold G. Hillam (Presidency of the LDS Quorum of the 70, and the President of the very same camp where Adam had been abused) deeply involved in Jodi Hildebrandt’s attacks on Adam.“

Another interesting thing is that Harold Hillam is Bonnie Cordon’s father.

I heard him on the hidden true crime channel, but not the Mormon stories channel yet.

Why would Jodi want to retaliate against Adam for being a Boy Scout whistleblower?
Are you saying maybe there is a child abuse conspiracy in the LDS church where child abuse is… encouraged? And covered up?

So was Adam sexually abused by an LDS man then? At an LDS Boy Scout camp? (Not sure if boy scout camps were considered LDS or not.)

https://m.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM? ... GigclyBSlV

Here’s the link. Skip to around 13 minute mark where the intro starts.
Adam was molested by an lds man before lds scout camp as were many other boys and some were even molested by him at camp. He explains the details of the cover up by many church leaders and k&m.
Molestation was covered up.

Jodi was a therapist that many bishops referred people to.
Adam then went to byu where he was referred to Jodi by his bishop and things went downhill. I’ve yet to watch that portion of the interview.

I listened to the entire podcast yesterday. It’s very disturbing. More sex abuse happened in the SE Idaho BSA than the entire Catholic Church and Elder Hilliam oversaw the BSA in that region of the country. He protected a number of pedophiles and if what Adam is saying is true then the church has an awful lot to account for in regards to covering up sex abuse.

[Silver Pie]

To blame him for “starting to view porn at 3 yo.” How does a three year-old attempt to look up and view porn?! And for the judge to believe her, and then just state matter-of-fact that the boy should not be in foster care with other children, before being evaluated is equally disgusting.

My thought was, "How the heck does a three year old get porn?" I mean some pervert had to hand it to him, or have it lying around where he could see it!

As for the judge, I think he was reacting the way he should have. To have acted shocked or incensed might have been rewarding for her. To act like it was no big deal probably showed her that her, "Look over there!" wasn't working.

[Silver Pie]

I feel dazed - like I'm reading the Daybell-Vallow thread, only this time the kids got lucky and were taken away before they got done in. And it is two women instead of a woman and a man who are allegedly the bad guys.

[farmerchick]

I feel dazed - like I'm reading the Daybell-Vallow thread, only this time the kids got lucky and were taken away before they got done in. And it is two women instead of a woman and a man who are allegedly the bad guys.

Lucky the kids got rescued...could have been worse....like the daybell fiasco. I'm just sickened when I see this stuff....and any normal person has to ask..".what the heck is wrong with some Utah Mormons?.....".and the answer is ... Obviously quite alot....

[Lizzy60]

https://www.insider.com/ruby-franke-jai ... ndt-2023-9

A woman who spent a short time in jail with Jodi, and about 3 days with Ruby says that Ruby seemed “smitten” with Jodi, and couldn’t understand why they couldn’t be cell mates. She also said she didn’t know why Jodi and Ruby were in jail, until she was driving home with family and they filled her in.

[Silver Pie]

https://www.insider.com/ruby-franke-jai ... ndt-2023-9

A woman who spent a short time in jail with Jodi, and about 3 days with Ruby says that Ruby seemed “smitten” with Jodi, and couldn’t understand why they couldn’t be cell mates. She also said she didn’t know why Jodi and Ruby were in jail, until she was driving home with family and they filled her in.

After reading the article, and how Ruby was "mothering" another inmate, I'm not sure "smitten" is the right word. It sounds more like a mothering concern (though why she seemed not to feel that way about her own children confuses me).

[Lizzy60]

https://www.insider.com/ruby-franke-jai ... ndt-2023-9

A woman who spent a short time in jail with Jodi, and about 3 days with Ruby says that Ruby seemed “smitten” with Jodi, and couldn’t understand why they couldn’t be cell mates. She also said she didn’t know why Jodi and Ruby were in jail, until she was driving home with family and they filled her in.

After reading the article, and how Ruby was "mothering" another inmate, I'm not sure "smitten" is the right word. It sounds more like a mothering concern (though why she seemed not to feel that way about her own children confuses me).

I had a female friend years ago who was attracted to women. She told me that “nurturing” was something she craved from women and wondered if this was because her own mother was not nurturing toward her children. She also, weirdly enough, used the exact word “smitten” to describe the feelings she had for women she was attracted to. She described it as a “girl crush” which can happen to straight women also, but her crushes, or being smitten, would then lead to sexual desires.

I believe I can understand how Ruby and Jodi would have an attraction to each other, but not necessarily be acting on it physically. Jodi hates men, and she turned Ruby away from Kevin, so it’s likely that they were getting emotional closeness from their partnership.

[Silver Pie]

That makes sense, Lizzy.

[farmerchick]

Does any of this really make sense^^^^^? I ask this as I think about all the crazy Utah and Idaho Mormons who have made national news in the past few years. We've got the daybells....total crackpots going to lead the 144k and we all know what happened there....we've got the stampin up daughter, Shanna who had conspired to have her husband killed in florida....we've got the richins case where kouri killed her husband by spiking his drink with fetanyl in kamas......and now we have two crazy women making money on the Internet by offering parenting advice and counseling with a twist of torture, while actually torturing ruby's own children. There are probably many more crazy murders/crimes committed by insane members that haven't made the national news. There is something very wrong here......outer darkness(which is where I live in western Washington) can't even compete on the scale....Utah and Idaho win hands down....I'm rethinking if I'm really in outer darkness....I guess I'll have to consider that outer darkness may have moved east....

[Lizzy60]

Update. There was a custody hearing this morning (I’m waiting to hear more) and there was supposed to be a bail hearing this afternoon. However, because of so much further information being unearthed by the prosecution, the bail hearing has been postponed to early October.

Just this weekend I heard that the young boy who escaped had rope restraint injuries that were so deep that his bone was exposed. This could bring charges of attempted murder. An infection could have easily killed him.

[Lizzy60]

Podcasters of all sorts, non-LDS, are starting to discover that church leadership routinely recommended Jodi as a therapist, and paid her out of church funds in some cases. They are asking some good questions.

[Bonhoeffer]

Podcasters of all sorts, non-LDS, are starting to discover that church leadership routinely recommended Jodi as a therapist, and paid her out of church funds in some cases. They are asking some good questions.

What podcasts are you listening to on this? I’d love to tune in as well. Thanks for the updates!

[BeNotDeceived]

Does any of this really make sense^^^^^? I ask this as I think about all the crazy Utah and Idaho Mormons who have made national news in the past few years. We've got the daybells....total crackpots going to lead the 144k and we all know what happened there....we've got the stampin up daughter, Shanna who had conspired to have her husband killed in florida....we've got the richins case where kouri killed her husband by spiking his drink with fetanyl in kamas......and now we have two crazy women making money on the Internet by offering parenting advice and counseling with a twist of torture, while actually torturing ruby's own children. There are probably many more crazy murders/crimes committed by insane members that haven't made the national news. There is something very wrong here......outer darkness(which is where I live in western Washington) can't even compete on the scale....Utah and Idaho win hands down....I'm rethinking if I'm really in outer darkness....I guess I'll have to consider that outer darkness may have moved east....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Y5B5o7VzI

[Lizzy60]

Podcasters of all sorts, non-LDS, are starting to discover that church leadership routinely recommended Jodi as a therapist, and paid her out of church funds in some cases. They are asking some good questions.

What podcasts are you listening to on this? I’d love to tune in as well. Thanks for the updates!

Tonight I listened to Police Off The Cuff. Retired NYC police officers.
My favorite is Hidden True Crime. Married couple — he is a forensic psychologist and she was a journalist in Utah and Idaho until she had a child. She is now an independent journalist, and they both appeared on Dateline episodes about the Daybell case. In this particular case, she worked professionally in southern Utah and still has many contacts there. She broke the news about the horrible wounds the Franke boy had when rescued. Their names are Lauren and John Matthias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH3O9T3ZrQ0

[Bonhoeffer]

https://www.today.com/parents/dads/ruby ... rcna105655

I just finished reading this & something that struck me was how Kevin just took it for granted that his kids were ok bc that’s what Ruby told him. He should’ve demanded FaceTime with them on a daily basis, had he done that he could’ve rescued them from the torture much sooner. They are young children and should have regular contact with both parents. I hope he’s held to account for his absence in their lives.

From the article:
Kester recently told Law & Crime, a multimedia network, that the dad was "absolutely shocked" by the child abuse allegations. He said that Kevin had not recently seen his children at all, as Ruby wanted to separate while they worked on their marriage.

Kester told the outlet that Ruby assured Kevin that their children were happy in his absence.

According to Kester, Kevin "never had any reason to believe that his children were being abused," he told the outlet.

Kester said in that interview: "If he had even one inkling that his kids were being abused, and that this separation wasn't for any other purpose than to figure out a way between he and Ruby to reunite their family, he would have been down there in two seconds."

"Physical abuse had never been a part of their family,"

[Silver Pie]

Does any of this really make sense^^^^^? I ask this as I think about all the crazy Utah and Idaho Mormons who have made national news in the past few years. We've got the daybells....total crackpots going to lead the 144k and we all know what happened there....we've got the stampin up daughter, Shanna who had conspired to have her husband killed in florida....we've got the richins case where kouri killed her husband by spiking his drink with fetanyl in kamas......and now we have two crazy women making money on the Internet by offering parenting advice and counseling with a twist of torture, while actually torturing ruby's own children. There are probably many more crazy murders/crimes committed by insane members that haven't made the national news. There is something very wrong here......outer darkness(which is where I live in western Washington) can't even compete on the scale....Utah and Idaho win hands down....I'm rethinking if I'm really in outer darkness....I guess I'll have to consider that outer darkness may have moved east....

Absolutely! It's crazy!

[Lizzy60]

https://www.today.com/parents/dads/ruby ... rcna105655

I just finished reading this & something that struck me was how Kevin just took it for granted that his kids were ok bc that’s what Ruby told him. He should’ve demanded FaceTime with them on a daily basis, had he done that he could’ve rescued them from the torture much sooner. They are young children and should have regular contact with both parents. I hope he’s held to account for his absence in their lives.

From the article:
Kester recently told Law & Crime, a multimedia network, that the dad was "absolutely shocked" by the child abuse allegations. He said that Kevin had not recently seen his children at all, as Ruby wanted to separate while they worked on their marriage.

Kester told the outlet that Ruby assured Kevin that their children were happy in his absence.

According to Kester, Kevin "never had any reason to believe that his children were being abused," he told the outlet.

Kester said in that interview: "If he had even one inkling that his kids were being abused, and that this separation wasn't for any other purpose than to figure out a way between he and Ruby to reunite their family, he would have been down there in two seconds."

"Physical abuse had never been a part of their family,"

I noticed that the attorney used the word “physical” every time he talked about abuse of the children. He knows he can’t claim that Kevin never used emotional abuse, or depriving children of basic needs like meals and beds. Those things are shown multiple times, with Kevin participating, on their videos. Some serious “self-snitching” has been going on in this case!!