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Lizzy60 wrote: September 4th, 2023, 7:26 pm
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Ruby and Jodi were working together in the business Connexions, which did podcasts on parenting, using Jodi’s whacko philosophy. Ruby and her husband separated some months ago. The two young children are Ruby’s and were living at Jodi’s home near St George. Ruby lives in Springville, but had filmed a podcast with Jodi, in Jodi’s home, the day before the arrest, so she must have had knowledge of the conditions of the children. Both women were arrested because they were both with the children as recently as the day before.

I have seen nothing about Jodi having a husband or children. She is in her 50’s. She is said to be very anti-LGBTQ, so being in a lesbian relationship with Ruby would be weird, but they seemed to be very close.

If you want to get a peek into their parenting style, check out Ruby talking about withholding Christmas gifts from the two youngest of her children. I will post the video when I find it again.

No Christmas for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Cdxnzk5a0
I also read that Jodi got in trouble for disclosing details of someones porn addiction to LDS church officials. I think she may have had her counseling license suspended for telling brethren about someones porn issue without permission. Something tells me Jodi is orchestrating a lot of this. It's purely a guess but perhaps it will come out that Jodi helped split the couple as well. Perhaps Jodi is a bit of an opportunist wishing to experiment with Ruby's family and make some money. Poor kids! I would guess sole custody is with Ruby since her husband wasn't charged. He must not be able to see the kids since they split. I know divorce is messy but if kids can be abused while the wife keeps the husband away that's a problem. I also read Ruby taped paper over her windows when neighbors started reporting her.
I just listened to a video produced a year ago about Ruby teaming up with Jodi. The guy said that at first Kevin was involved in promoting Connexions (the toxic company of Jodi’s) but then he shut down his Instagram and deleted everything that he had posted about Connexions in his other social media. He was said to have moved out of the Springville house with his older son Chad, and Jodi and Ruby alternated staying in Springville and Ivins. There has never been a divorce so custody was not the issue. It is just that Ruby has always called the shots, especially when she started making a lot of money from YouTube, and Kevin is just a wuss —- according to someone who has followed their story from the beginning. I’m sure we will find out more when this goes to trial.

Yes, Jodi told a young man’s BYU Bishop that he was addicted to porn which got him kicked out of BYU. This really affected his education negatively. She lost her license for maybe 18 months, and was also taken off the recommended LDS counselors that bishops are given. This was in 2012. Also, she was married, had two children, and then divorced when they were very young, and they were raised mostly by their stepmother. It is said they have very little contact with her. She is called a man-hater by a lot of people in comment sections and on reddit, according to people who are investigating this case. I’m just taking their word for it, but from the few clips I’ve watched, it seems likely.
Very interesting. That man-hater comment strengthens my opinion about Jodi possibly helping them separate or stay separated. Maybe if her husband turned his back on Jodi's scam Jodi turned Ruby against him. If her husband is spineless him moving out was a lucky move. Her husband should have made himself more aware of his children's condition. That's awful about that young man getting kicked out of the Y.

That name Connexions sounds really familiar. I need to check something and then I'll come back and post.

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Seed Starter wrote: September 4th, 2023, 8:46 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: September 4th, 2023, 7:26 pm
Seed Starter wrote: September 4th, 2023, 6:08 pm

I also read that Jodi got in trouble for disclosing details of someones porn addiction to LDS church officials. I think she may have had her counseling license suspended for telling brethren about someones porn issue without permission. Something tells me Jodi is orchestrating a lot of this. It's purely a guess but perhaps it will come out that Jodi helped split the couple as well. Perhaps Jodi is a bit of an opportunist wishing to experiment with Ruby's family and make some money. Poor kids! I would guess sole custody is with Ruby since her husband wasn't charged. He must not be able to see the kids since they split. I know divorce is messy but if kids can be abused while the wife keeps the husband away that's a problem. I also read Ruby taped paper over her windows when neighbors started reporting her.
I just listened to a video produced a year ago about Ruby teaming up with Jodi. The guy said that at first Kevin was involved in promoting Connexions (the toxic company of Jodi’s) but then he shut down his Instagram and deleted everything that he had posted about Connexions in his other social media. He was said to have moved out of the Springville house with his older son Chad, and Jodi and Ruby alternated staying in Springville and Ivins. There has never been a divorce so custody was not the issue. It is just that Ruby has always called the shots, especially when she started making a lot of money from YouTube, and Kevin is just a wuss —- according to someone who has followed their story from the beginning. I’m sure we will find out more when this goes to trial.

Yes, Jodi told a young man’s BYU Bishop that he was addicted to porn which got him kicked out of BYU. This really affected his education negatively. She lost her license for maybe 18 months, and was also taken off the recommended LDS counselors that bishops are given. This was in 2012. Also, she was married, had two children, and then divorced when they were very young, and they were raised mostly by their stepmother. It is said they have very little contact with her. She is called a man-hater by a lot of people in comment sections and on reddit, according to people who are investigating this case. I’m just taking their word for it, but from the few clips I’ve watched, it seems likely.
Very interesting. That man-hater comment strengthens my opinion about Jodi possibly helping them separate or stay separated. Maybe if her husband turned his back on Jodi's scam Jodi turned Ruby against him. If her husband is spineless him moving out was a lucky move. Her husband should have made himself more aware of his children's condition. That's awful about that young man getting kicked out of the Y.

That name Connexions sounds really familiar. I need to check something and then I'll come back and post.
From what I just heard, Connexions has been active in Utah for about 10 years. Jodi started it to become a “life coach” which doesn’t need licensing.

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Seed Starter wrote: September 4th, 2023, 6:08 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: September 1st, 2023, 5:39 am
Wolfwoman wrote: September 1st, 2023, 4:18 am I don’t really understand the connection between the Franke family and Jodi Hildebrandt. I know Ruby worked for her company. But why were they both arrested? Did they both abuse their children separately? Were they living together as lesbians? Or as a polygamous marriage with “Brother Franke”? I’m confused. Whose kids were malnourished and escaped? The Franke’s? Or maybe it was the Hildebrandt’s kids cause she was the life coach and it said near St. George and I think the Frankes lived in Springville?

Sad too that family members had reported them to CPS and police previously and the abuse was allowed to continue.
Ruby and Jodi were working together in the business Connexions, which did podcasts on parenting, using Jodi’s whacko philosophy. Ruby and her husband separated some months ago. The two young children are Ruby’s and were living at Jodi’s home near St George. Ruby lives in Springville, but had filmed a podcast with Jodi, in Jodi’s home, the day before the arrest, so she must have had knowledge of the conditions of the children. Both women were arrested because they were both with the children as recently as the day before.

I have seen nothing about Jodi having a husband or children. She is in her 50’s. She is said to be very anti-LGBTQ, so being in a lesbian relationship with Ruby would be weird, but they seemed to be very close.

If you want to get a peek into their parenting style, check out Ruby talking about withholding Christmas gifts from the two youngest of her children. I will post the video when I find it again.

No Christmas for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Cdxnzk5a0
I also read that Jodi got in trouble for disclosing details of someones porn addiction to LDS church officials. I think she may have had her counseling license suspended for telling brethren about someones porn issue without permission. Something tells me Jodi is orchestrating a lot of this. It's purely a guess but perhaps it will come out that Jodi helped split the couple as well. Perhaps Jodi is a bit of an opportunist wishing to experiment with Ruby's family and make some money. Poor kids! I would guess sole custody is with Ruby since her husband wasn't charged. He must not be able to see the kids since they split. I know divorce is messy but if kids can be abused while the wife keeps the husband away that's a problem. I also read Ruby taped paper over her windows when neighbors started reporting her.
happened to my kids - ex got to keep them "because Utah", then they call me secretly while she's asleep (they were like 9) and telling me "mommy has a mean boyfriend". So I get the guy's name, and shornuff - he's an ex con, convicted druggy and child abuse, out of jail, "no place to live". But the courts ignored me "because Utah", I guess.

Utah divorce courts are rabidly pro-woman. It's a big problem.

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mudflap wrote: September 1st, 2023, 7:48 am
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- road rage incidents....are much higher than the rest of the country (https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/ ... 119332001/)
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This one I get. I want to rage on the road every time I am driving in Utah! :x

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BringerOfJoy wrote: September 5th, 2023, 7:45 am
mudflap wrote: September 1st, 2023, 7:48 am
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- road rage incidents....are much higher than the rest of the country (https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/ ... 119332001/)
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This one I get. I want to rage on the road every time I am driving in Utah! :x
I was so glad to leave Utah due to all the road rage. Used to commute from Ogden to SLC every day. That was hell.

Folks in the south don't know what a turn signal is, but I can overlook that as the road rage is pretty much non-existent. If you need to change lanes, most folks are willing to let you do that. Such a breath of fresh air here.

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mudflap wrote: September 5th, 2023, 7:49 am
BringerOfJoy wrote: September 5th, 2023, 7:45 am
mudflap wrote: September 1st, 2023, 7:48 am
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- road rage incidents....are much higher than the rest of the country (https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/ ... 119332001/)
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This one I get. I want to rage on the road every time I am driving in Utah! :x
I was so glad to leave Utah due to all the road rage. Used to commute from Ogden to SLC every day. That was hell.

Folks in the south don't know what a turn signal is, but I can overlook that as the road rage is pretty much non-existent. If you need to change lanes, most folks are willing to let you do that. Such a breath of fresh air here.
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Lizzy60 wrote: August 31st, 2023, 2:40 pm Parents of 6 children in Springville had a very popular YouTube vlog about their life called 8 Passengers, until it was stopped when one of their boys revealed he was made to sleep on the floor for months. They were investigated, but did not lose any of their children.

A life coach and social worker has a business based in Orem called Connexions that makes a ton of money selling a weird counseling service.

The two women have become friends, and the mother of 6 now works for Connexions.

Kevin Franke, BYU instructor, his wife, Ruby, and life coach Jodi Hildebrandt were arrested this week for severe child abuse. A child escaped the life coach’s home and ran to a neighbors house and asked for food and water. This was in Ivins, near St George. She was severely malnourished, and had been bound with duct tape, as was another child in that home.

I am still confused, except it boggles my mind that these people are extremely visible on social media, and in their careers, yet believe they can “discipline” children to the point of torture? I

I am so glad I escaped Utah in 1980. Yeah, stuff happens everywhere, but when it happens in Utah it always seems to be active Mormons.

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Don’t get me started on Sherri Gardner of Stampin’ Up, whose daughter just got arrested for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder, and may face the death penalty.

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Utah, and Idaho Mormons too. The 8 passengers deal really has a Lori and Chad Daybell ring to it. I’m glad the kids were able to get help.

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Ado wrote: September 5th, 2023, 8:47 am

Utah, and Idaho Mormons too. The 8 passengers deal really has a Lori and Chad Daybell ring to it. I’m glad the kids were able to get help.
I don't think Idaho gets the credit for the Daybells. Chad was a product of Springville (Why is it always Springville? It's not that big). Lori seemed to have gotten around in California, Arizona, Texas and Hawaii.

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Look at their bloodlines first. Thr geography is less an issue although some places like hawaii are good or bad

Just like matthew and luke had different genealogies. The difference is a key clue

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Ymarsakar wrote: September 5th, 2023, 10:54 am Look at their bloodlines first. Thr geography is less an issue although some places like hawaii are good or bad

Just like matthew and luke had different genealogies. The difference is a key clue
I've seen you refer to bloodlines often. If one is of a certain bloodline is that person able to choose their behavior or are you saying the blood they inherit limits their agency in some way? If all blood came from Adam and blood determines ones fate then how did Cain immediately act in opposition to his bloodline?

I'm not looking for an answer to that question but rather we can see it as an example of where someone defies their bloodline if bloodline determines ones fate. Why do you think bloodline matters so much?

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Seed Starter wrote: September 5th, 2023, 2:51 pm
Ymarsakar wrote: September 5th, 2023, 10:54 am Look at their bloodlines first. Thr geography is less an issue although some places like hawaii are good or bad

Just like matthew and luke had different genealogies. The difference is a key clue
I've seen you refer to bloodlines often. If one is of a certain bloodline is that person able to choose their behavior or are you saying the blood they inherit limits their agency in some way? If all blood came from Adam and blood determines ones fate then how did Cain immediately act in opposition to his bloodline?

I'm not looking for an answer to that question but rather we can see it as an example of where someone defies their bloodline if bloodline determines ones fate. Why do you think bloodline matters so much?
We refer to bloodlines in modern lexicon as DNA. So since you grow plants, you should understand that plant DNA changes. GMO? Is that the same plant now? No? Ok.

So some bloodlines produce good fruits. Others not so good fruit. Some will survival in this climate, other variants of the seed won't. Even with the same DNA, results are mixed. Some make it, some don't make it. Some grow strong, some whither.

Satan's own as well as God's own has been running a kind of breeding experiment using their chosen bloodlines and families. It is hard to define what Satan or God even means in this context. But let us just refer to them as the Principalities of Ephesians 6:12. Both the good and the bad.

This is mirrored in the qabal human's own religion and focus on bloodlines. Which is connected to soul knowledge I shared here as well. So the soul is only able to incarnate into certain bloodlines, and if there is a problem something may happen like miscarriage. So the dark ones cannot come into the bloodlines of the pure. And the pure cannot come into the bloodline of the dark ones, not and remain pure. So one of the secrets for the dark are so interested in sexual rape, torture, and other stuff, is because by doing so, you condition your mind, body, and DNA to the dark polarity. This ensures that even if someone with a conscience incarnates into Satan's own bloodlines, they aren't going to be doing anything good nor will they be able to betray the Family (without god's protection/atonement).

Trying to figure out why Cain and Able are brothers, with Lori and what not, will make ZERO sense if a person is thinking in their indoctrinated public education concepts of materialism, social conditioning, upbringing, and so forth. They must educate themselves on DNA, growing plants for example. Growing humans like plans are grown.

So if you understand this concept and the importance of the Bloodlines that produced the Holy Grail lineage (Jeshua's bloodline) vs Satan's Own bloodlines/Sons of Perdition, then you understand why the genealogy was important to Matthew and Luke. And then why the gods in the bible told their followers not to mix their seed with X and Y tribe. DNA contamination and cross breeding is a real problem once you start. Saving a remnant means saving a remnant of the heritage seeds in case the cross hybrids fail to survive and reproduce.

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Heard on a podcast that Ruby’s brother went to Jodi for whatever he had issues with. That brother is her only sibling that doesn’t do YouTube shows, apparently he used to have one. Even her parents have a YouTube show! Her son, Chad, also saw Jodi and attended some sort of camp for troubled youth, much like what Paris Hilton did while she was younger in Utah. Ironically that same son was punished by Ruby for duct taping his brother to a pole and had to sleep on a beanbag for 18 mos as his punishment. That brother is the one who recently escaped Jodi’s home and was found with duct tape on his limbs. Where did Chad learn to duct tape people to things? Maybe Jodi’s “therapy” sessions? Also of note, Chad Daybell happens to be from Springfield, UT where the Franke’s live. No connection has been made yet there but seriously, what are the odds?

This is a very dark and disturbing case, one of many coming out of Mormon-land. The SRA cases that just disappear from media attention, a father shooting his family and given a funeral to remember that doesn’t mention the family he murdered. And what’s up with every women thinking they’re qualified to “coach” individuals on how to be better people? I’ve received so many “friend” requests by women who I was genuinely friends with some time ago only to find out they’re marketing their smarmy feel-good “life coach” horse crap on me. Every one of their posts is how if we pay them they can tell us how to be a better _____
They’ve become God’s in their own eyes and can now show others the way.
This case will be interesting to follow. God bless those children bc they’re going to need real therapy for the rest of their lives.

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Apparently there is a podcast with Jodi’s niece saying she was duct taped AT CHURCH. What the heck?

I haven’t listened to it yet. Looks like maybe it’s on Mormon Stories which I don’t particularly care for due to their obvious bias.

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Wolfwoman wrote: September 8th, 2023, 9:56 am Apparently there is a podcast with Jodi’s niece saying she was duct taped AT CHURCH. What the heck?

I haven’t listened to it yet. Looks like maybe it’s on Mormon Stories which I don’t particularly care for due to their obvious bias.
No matter how interesting the subject, I usually give up on Mormon Stories within 15 minutes. However, other people I can listen to are finding and putting out a lot of info on Jodi and her troublesome teaching. They say that she portrays herself as a called messenger from Christ sent to prepare others for His Second Coming, shades of Chad and Lori Daybell and Julie Rowe (now Barnett). Hidden True Crime is a great YouTube source. It’s a husband and wife team. She had a career as a journalist and he is a very intelligent forensic psychologist. They were featured on some the the Dateline Shows about the Daybell tragedy because of their expertise.

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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:05 am No matter how interesting the subject, I usually give up on Mormon Stories within 15 minutes.
Mormon Stories and other related parties are too cringeworthy. Rather than thinking about the doctrine, the focal point of their arguments is their take on social modern social issues like feminism or homosexuality. Very boring.


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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:33 am Oh. My. Heck.

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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:05 am
Wolfwoman wrote: September 8th, 2023, 9:56 am Apparently there is a podcast with Jodi’s niece saying she was duct taped AT CHURCH. What the heck?

I haven’t listened to it yet. Looks like maybe it’s on Mormon Stories which I don’t particularly care for due to their obvious bias.
No matter how interesting the subject, I usually give up on Mormon Stories within 15 minutes. However, other people I can listen to are finding and putting out a lot of info on Jodi and her troublesome teaching. They say that she portrays herself as a called messenger from Christ sent to prepare others for His Second Coming, shades of Chad and Lori Daybell and Julie Rowe (now Barnett). Hidden True Crime is a great YouTube source. It’s a husband and wife team. She had a career as a journalist and he is a very intelligent forensic psychologist. They were featured on some the the Dateline Shows about the Daybell tragedy because of their expertise.
Oh yes, I am subscribed to that channel! I haven’t watched it in awhile though.

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Wolfwoman wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:51 am
Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:05 am
Wolfwoman wrote: September 8th, 2023, 9:56 am Apparently there is a podcast with Jodi’s niece saying she was duct taped AT CHURCH. What the heck?

I haven’t listened to it yet. Looks like maybe it’s on Mormon Stories which I don’t particularly care for due to their obvious bias.
No matter how interesting the subject, I usually give up on Mormon Stories within 15 minutes. However, other people I can listen to are finding and putting out a lot of info on Jodi and her troublesome teaching. They say that she portrays herself as a called messenger from Christ sent to prepare others for His Second Coming, shades of Chad and Lori Daybell and Julie Rowe (now Barnett). Hidden True Crime is a great YouTube source. It’s a husband and wife team. She had a career as a journalist and he is a very intelligent forensic psychologist. They were featured on some the the Dateline Shows about the Daybell tragedy because of their expertise.
Oh yes, I am subscribed to that channel! I haven’t watched it in awhile though.
Dr John and Lauren will have a livestream on this case tomorrow evening at 8:00 Central.
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Oh I watched some of the videos on that page. She really does give off Lori Vallow vibes. The way she speaks. (Also blonde and attractive.)

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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:33 am Oh. My. Heck.

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I was just about to post this article. Absolutely disgusting the level she devalues her own flesh & blood! It’s as if she’s trying to punish the boy further, because he got her in trouble by escaping and ratting her out. The essence of her mothering is punishment & she seems to be an expert in diverse ways of it. Death itself is probably not off the table for her! There is not a pit in hell deep enough for this woman. To blame him for “starting to view porn at 3 yo.” How does a three year-old attempt to look up and view porn?! And for the judge to believe her, and then just state matter-of-fact that the boy should not be in foster care with other children, before being evaluated is equally disgusting. The way this case is going I would not be surprised if it leads to linkage with the SRA cases that are prevalent in Utah.
As much as I want to be a voyeur into this case, because it involves minors, those details about the children should be left out of the public eye. They have enough demons to face in their life. They don’t need public discrimination from lies that their mother is telling about them to further muddy the waters.

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People who used Jodi as a therapist are now revealing that getting them to admit to “sins” and especially sexual sins, was at the core of her therapy. I’m not surprised that Ruby and Jodi would do the same with these children, if this is true. Ruby was already finding fault with her children on her vlogs, even before she met Jodi. I’ve also seen Ruby admit her faults on the Connexions videos. Entitled, etc.

Both women will have another hearing on Sept 21.

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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 2:40 pm People who used Jodi as a therapist are now revealing that getting them to admit to “sins” and especially sexual sins, was at the core of her therapy. I’m not surprised that Ruby and Jodi would do the same with these children, if this is true. Ruby was already finding fault with her children on her vlogs, even before she met Jodi. I’ve also seen Ruby admit her faults on the Connexions videos. Entitled, etc.

Ruby’s bail hearing was moved to Sept 18, and I haven’t heard about Jodi yet.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the church faces lawsuits bc of Jodi. Apparently she coordinated with church leaders as an “expert” in counseling services & numerous members were referred to her by their bishops. More proof of their “seeing around corners” or lack thereof.

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According to Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime, she gets emails multiple times a day from people saying that she and John have Jodi pegged totally wrong — that she is a wonderful person and therapist, and the “truth” will come out.

Okay.

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Lizzy60 wrote: September 8th, 2023, 10:33 am Oh. My. Heck.

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Ummmm okay soooooo who allowed the three year old to view pornography? just wondering if the parents are responsible in any way for the shady child on child abuse......they need to put these parents in a psych ward for life.....almost have no words for this after reading the article....

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