Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 6

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Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 6

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Feeling a need to defend the original truth of 1827 - 1829, I will be stating herein some discussion points in piecemeal fashion. Rather than present all 30 plus at once, this will give anyone interested opportunity to absorb and research the ideas and comments if interested. These points are mainly from a gentleman named Richard Bauman taken from his series entitled "What Happened To The Church". (See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrywgxUo ... 1hbg%3D%3D)

Like most documentaries I add that the views of the author do not necessarily represent my views. However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship. Many of the Book of Mormon references are given as the RLDS version.

I quote:

...the following documented statements should bring the reader to the realization that ... Joseph Smith
indeed "yielded to the persuasions of men". Consequently in just a very short time, the truths of the unchangeable God became so obscured that those whose job it was to bring forth and establish the truth became the enemy by concealing the truth!

17. Oct. 25, 1831 Joseph & Sidney told all elders present at the conference that they had the "privilege" of being ordained to high priest ! ( See Far West Record, p. 19-21. "Deacons" is found on p. 19!)

18. Nov.12-13,1831Joseph & Sidney and the other leaders SET ASIDE THE BOOK OF MORMON AS THE STANDARD OF DOCTRINE FOR THE CHURCH! Even though the Lord had given them "a commandment" in the original revelation (RLDS D&C 16:1 in June, 1829) through "the stone", telling them to "rely" on the Book of Mormon which was to be used for "all things" ..concerning my church, my gospel, and my Rock", they took it upon themselves to go by their own inspiration. (you've already read 17 items they came up with before this time)
Read and weep, Brothers and Sisters, with me. The following is a direct quote from the Far West Record, the official record of the conference minutes of the early church, p. 32, of Nov. 12-13, 1831:

After deliberate consideration in consequence of the book of Revelation (speaking of the Book of Commandments) now to be printed being the foundation of the Church and the salvation of the world and the keys of the mysteries of the kingdom and the riches of Eternity to the Church."

This is where they officially turned away from the Book of Mormon as being the standard for the church! And, as for the keys of the mysteries, the Book of Mormon says we need to have the brass plates (see Mosiah 1: 4-7, Alma 17: 32-35) and other records plus the interpreters.

Read the following quote from Mosiah 5:83:
Doubtless, a great mystery is contained within these plates; and these interpreters were doubtless prepared for the purpose of unfolding all such mysteries to the children of men."

So now we have 18 items of deviation from the original truth; the last one being to officially state that Joseph's book of revelations is now the standard, which means that the Book of Mormon now is of minor importance in doctrine, organization, and purpose can things get any worse? Read on!

19. March,1832 Joseph Smith assumed the name "Enoch" in that "Revelation", and established the Order of Enoch, also.

20. Sept. 1832 Joseph & Sidney work on the "New Translation", which is now called the Inspired Version, which you will see should be called the "Conspired Version". Joseph receives a "revelation" about TWO priesthoods - one higher than the other! The Book of Mormon only has one: The Holy Order of the Son of God or sometimes called the Holy Order of God, which is the same being in the Book of Mormon. Christ says, that like the name of
His church, "..ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name." (Read 3 Nephi 12: 16-21)

Masonry also had/has TWO priesthoods, one higher than the other, and they are named MELCHISEDEC AND AARONIC, AND THE REASON THAT THEY ARE NAMED AFTER MEN IS THAT MASONS ARE COMMITTED TO AVOID USING THE NAME OF GOD. It is apparent that God doesn't mind being mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to think on his name, pray in his name, heal in his name, praise his name, "and ...ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name."

And why doesn't Masonry want to use the name of God, which is Jesus Christ? (see Ether 1:77, 2 Nephi 11:78, 2 Nephi 8:14 There are TOO MANY OTHER REFERENCES TO LIST HERE!!) And why doesn't the leadership of Masonry want to admit that Jesus Christ is God? Because their God is Lucifer! You will see this before this paper is over. Interestingly, you will find great hypocrisy in this "revelation" (RLDS D&C 83). In verse two Joseph prophesied that the "temple shall be reared in this generation". But instead they were kicked out for that generation! How many generations ofJoseph' s own family have passed. In verse 8 we are told that the whole church is under condemnation, and yet in the same "revelation" great insight is given on two priesthoods! In most cases when God is displeased He is silent. Is it possible for Joseph to receive both spiritual insight and unspiritual insight? Micah says so in his chapter 2:11. (More on that later!)

Something else of interest: no revelation since that time says the church is no longer under condemnation!


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That's a really good point:

Joseph receives a "revelation" about TWO priesthoods - one higher than the other! The Book of Mormon only has one: The Holy Order of the Son of God or sometimes called the Holy Order of God, which is the same being in the Book of Mormon. Christ says, that like the name of
His church, "..ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name." (Read 3 Nephi 12: 16-21)

Masonry also had/has TWO priesthoods, one higher than the other, and they are named MELCHISEDEC AND AARONIC, AND THE REASON THAT THEY ARE NAMED AFTER MEN IS THAT MASONS ARE COMMITTED TO AVOID USING THE NAME OF GOD. It is apparent that God doesn't mind being mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to think on his name, pray in his name, heal in his name, praise his name, "and ...ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name."

Jesus commands us to do everything in his name, yet we say his name is too sacred, so that's why we say, "By the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood".

That's crazy!!!! We do everything in his name, except the most important things like blessing his children.

That's also very damning that those two priesthood names came from Masonry.

It also a good point that these changes were after the church is told it is under condemnation. It seems a church that is under condemnation gets revelations that are under condemnation.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 1st, 2023, 1:19 am That's a really good point:

Joseph receives a "revelation" about TWO priesthoods - one higher than the other! The Book of Mormon only has one: The Holy Order of the Son of God or sometimes called the Holy Order of God, which is the same being in the Book of Mormon. Christ says, that like the name of
His church, "..ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name." (Read 3 Nephi 12: 16-21)

Masonry also had/has TWO priesthoods, one higher than the other, and they are named MELCHISEDEC AND AARONIC, AND THE REASON THAT THEY ARE NAMED AFTER MEN IS THAT MASONS ARE COMMITTED TO AVOID USING THE NAME OF GOD. It is apparent that God doesn't mind being mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to think on his name, pray in his name, heal in his name, praise his name, "and ...ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name."

Jesus commands us to do everything in his name, yet we say his name is too sacred, so that's why we say, "By the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood".

That's crazy!!!! We do everything in his name, except the most important things like blessing his children.

That's also very damning that those two priesthood names came from Masonry.

It also a good point that these changes were after the church is told it is under condemnation. It seems a church that is under condemnation gets revelations that are under condemnation.
For clarity's sake it is one, simply "lesser" and "greater" portions of the one.

So the question is, should there be different portions?

Do we see evidence of different portions?

Examples like Helaman 10, seem to indicate different portions, or levels of authority/trust.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 1st, 2023, 1:19 am That's a really good point:

Joseph receives a "revelation" about TWO priesthoods - one higher than the other! The Book of Mormon only has one: The Holy Order of the Son of God or sometimes called the Holy Order of God, which is the same being in the Book of Mormon. Christ says, that like the name of
His church, "..ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name." (Read 3 Nephi 12: 16-21)

Masonry also had/has TWO priesthoods, one higher than the other, and they are named MELCHISEDEC AND AARONIC, AND THE REASON THAT THEY ARE NAMED AFTER MEN IS THAT MASONS ARE COMMITTED TO AVOID USING THE NAME OF GOD. It is apparent that God doesn't mind being mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to think on his name, pray in his name, heal in his name, praise his name, "and ...ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name."

Jesus commands us to do everything in his name, yet we say his name is too sacred, so that's why we say, "By the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood".

That's crazy!!!! We do everything in his name, except the most important things like blessing his children.

That's also very damning that those two priesthood names came from Masonry.

It also a good point that these changes were after the church is told it is under condemnation. It seems a church that is under condemnation gets revelations that are under condemnation.
And aren't the "powers" faith in Jesus and gifts of the Spirit?

I think that "priesthood power" is misleading.

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ransomme wrote: September 1st, 2023, 4:01 am For clarity's sake it is one, simply "lesser" and "greater" portions of the one.

So the question is, should there be different portions?

Do we see evidence of different portions?

Examples like Helaman 10, seem to indicate different portions, or levels of authority/trust.
Yes true, but the end result is the same. If you only have the Aaronic or if you only have the lesser, either way, you're without the higher.

Of course, how is it done in the Bible and Bom. They simply say "in the name of Jesus".

Do you find it curious that we don't say that. We use names that are not Jesus and coincidently they're masonic.

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ransomme wrote: September 1st, 2023, 4:08 am I think that "priesthood power" is misleading.
Agreed. It's faith in Christ and the name of Christ that works miracles.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 2nd, 2023, 11:43 am
ransomme wrote: September 1st, 2023, 4:01 am For clarity's sake it is one, simply "lesser" and "greater" portions of the one.

So the question is, should there be different portions?

Do we see evidence of different portions?

Examples like Helaman 10, seem to indicate different portions, or levels of authority/trust.
Yes true, but the end result is the same. If you only have the Aaronic or if you only have the lesser, either way, you're without the higher.

Of course, how is it done in the Bible and Bom. They simply say "in the name of Jesus".

Do you find it curious that we don't say that. We use names that are not Jesus and coincidently they're masonic.
Just to be accurate, we say by the power of and in the name of...

But I think that the baptismal and sacramental examples are the only ones that seem to follow a correct pattern.

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ransomme wrote: September 2nd, 2023, 1:15 pm Just to be accurate, we say by the power of and in the name of...

But I think that the baptismal and sacramental examples are the only ones that seem to follow a correct pattern.
Yes true, but at the end as an afterthought. First, it's "By the power of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood". That's the power, a masonic priesthood, and then at the end the obligatory reference to Christ.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 2nd, 2023, 2:45 pm
ransomme wrote: September 2nd, 2023, 1:15 pm Just to be accurate, we say by the power of and in the name of...

But I think that the baptismal and sacramental examples are the only ones that seem to follow a correct pattern.
Yes true, but at the end as an afterthought. First, it's "By the power of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood". That's the power, a masonic priesthood, and then at the end the obligatory reference to Christ.
Personally I say it first and at the end only say amen. But that really throws people for a loop.

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Shawn Henry wrote: September 1st, 2023, 1:19 am That's a really good point:

Joseph receives a "revelation" about TWO priesthoods - one higher than the other! The Book of Mormon only has one: The Holy Order of the Son of God or sometimes called the Holy Order of God, which is the same being in the Book of Mormon. Christ says, that like the name of
His church, "..ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name." (Read 3 Nephi 12: 16-21)

Masonry also had/has TWO priesthoods, one higher than the other, and they are named MELCHISEDEC AND AARONIC, AND THE REASON THAT THEY ARE NAMED AFTER MEN IS THAT MASONS ARE COMMITTED TO AVOID USING THE NAME OF GOD. It is apparent that God doesn't mind being mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to think on his name, pray in his name, heal in his name, praise his name, "and ...ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call in my name."

Jesus commands us to do everything in his name, yet we say his name is too sacred, so that's why we say, "By the authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood".

That's crazy!!!! We do everything in his name, except the most important things like blessing his children.

That's also very damning that those two priesthood names came from Masonry.

It also a good point that these changes were after the church is told it is under condemnation. It seems a church that is under condemnation gets revelations that are under condemnation.
Melchizedek priest king literally, is the holy order of god. This is why they kept talking about jeshua bring king or yhvh being king.

Zedek is priest. Spokesperson for a god. Melchi meaning holy or highest of holies.

The highest priest king authority. Alma in thr seat of the judgment. It is a position humans may occupy.

Aaron were the levite priest bloodlines. Bloodline continuation.

So some people are god s peoppe by blood. Others are adopted or appointed.

Templar and free masony ideas came from solomon s 2nd temple. This is what israel was practicijg back then.

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