Perks of the General Authorities

[TwochurchesOnly]

".. the things ye have seen me do, that shall ye also do..."
He went about doing good

No need to dress/live fancy to preach His gospel and minister to/ heal the sick- perform miracles "unto the least of these "
, - let alone to actually P S & Revelate
Crying repentance, however, from the rooftops, would require a special wardrobe

[IcedKoffee]

Red Ledges million dollar homes anyone?

Flying airplanes he gets it. First Class is better than Economy otherwise known as cattle class.

Phil Davis and I used to hold meetings at two of Uchtdorf’s neighbors in Red Ledges. One was an elderly German sister who met with Uchtdorf on a few occasions. At the time (about 5 years ago) both of these neighbors said their HOA fees were over six thousand dollars a month.

That's not per month, that's per year according to this.

Thanks for the correction!

[TheDuke]

If one's not paying for it, it's a free lunch for that individual.

Ok, sure any redirection of funds benefits one or the other but it is ABSURD to say staying at someone's house and eating their food is FREE in any way! Maybe more homey, or perhaps less expensive, but not free, to their organization as someone inside is still paying.

At least at a restaurant you order what you want and eat it. There was way much left over that I recall (not wasted) but expenses made.

Laughing that you truly could even say "free" after all your posts on global economics etc...

We are talking about whether something is free to the person taking it. It certainly is in most cases. Someone else is paying for it, but the GA isn't.

FREE?????????????????????????????? working 24/7 (again whether you accept what they do at that time is immaterial, I see guys sitting around waiting for a reason to hold a sign on freeway getting paid all day long) but their working.................................

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff. I'm surprised at the level of misunderstanding of what the PSR's DO for work. Again, whether you like what they do, doesn't change the 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, till you die part of it.

[IcedKoffee]

Red Ledges million dollar homes anyone?

Flying airplanes he gets it. First Class is better than Economy otherwise known as cattle class.

Phil Davis and I used to hold meetings at two of Uchtdorf’s neighbors in Red Ledges. One was an elderly German sister who met with Uchtdorf on a few occasions. At the time (about 5 years ago) both of these neighbors said their HOA fees were over six thousand dollars a month.

That's not per month, that's per year according to this.

Thanks for the correction!

[TwochurchesOnly]

Red Ledges million dollar homes anyone?

Flying airplanes he gets it. First Class is better than Economy otherwise known as cattle class.

Phil Davis and I used to hold meetings at two of Uchtdorf’s neighbors in Red Ledges. One was an elderly German sister who met with Uchtdorf on a few occasions. At the time (about 5 years ago) both of these neighbors said their HOA fees were over six thousand dollars a month.

That's not per month, that's per year according to this.

Still a boatload of $$

All relative , I'm sure they would say, as they are swimming in cash- - and want to keep the poor folks IN the boat
the good ship

[JuneBug12000]

Not my point, when viewed of a minimalist Jr American worker in retirement age, not too impressive. Not something to get into the game for.

Duke, what they get paid isn't the point. They get paid a "stipend" and other benefits that are in total three to four times the average household income in the United States all while paying no tithing on any of it. Meanwhile, Church employees who get paid much less than they do lose their jobs if they don't pay tithing. And they fly first-class to poor people all over the world telling them to pay tithing, or they can't go to the temple or go to heaven. They are literally taking food and clothes from needy children--offending God's little ones in very deed. If you can't see the deep hypocrisy and the satanic evil in this I don't know what's wrong with you. To me it seems like Church members who think this is ok are,

In the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for they hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should they be cut off while in the thought, they must go down to hell. For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one [person even though he payeth no tithing because he hath a high Church calling, and the other must perish physically because he payeth his tithing and hath no money for food or perisheth spiritually because he payeth no tithing so that he may feed his children].

Can you really not see the rank injustice and hypocrisy in this situation?

I don't care how much they might be making in the private sector. In fact, that's another reason why they shouldn't be getting a stipend at all, because they don't need it! This is true wickedness.

No I don't see an issue. Who gives a crap what they make? They spend full time in service (whether or not you like what they do and how they do it) right up until they die. You think they make good money. I say it sucks. You're obviously quite clueless about how any exec exists in America. I would never accept living on such little money and having executive expectations (suits, ties, pressed shirts, clean cars, etc...) it ain't cheap to host other execs and you don't do it by picking up your guests in a 1999 Toyota Rav4 with 200,000+ miles on it, like I have?

I'm pretty sorry your jealous? And who cares if they pay tithes? They surely shouldn't on the stipend. They should on books and such (priestcraft income). I've NEVER heard they don't pay tithes. But I know it is wrong for anyone to pay on church income given for sustenance, including church welfare.

I am often amazed at how little many folks on the forum understand about professional socialities? I'm pretty much an outsider myself. I never liked doing exec stuff. But, I've been in the mansions of a few wealthy folks for social invites and get togethers for business reasons (Sec Def in UK, Euro, Singapore, Japan, etc...) and it isn't a place you show up in Wrangler jeans and a cheap shirt, self laundered. That costs money, cannot have clean nice suits and such on less than $160K. Hell, I live in Seattle area and it costs nearly $120K just to survive here owning a paid off house (Internet, TV, insurances, taxes of all kinds, car tabs, water, electricity, garbage, simple vacations, normal food, gasoline, tithes, medical, etc...)

The perks are nothing IMO. Of course you'd have to pay me $600K a year or more if you wanted me to have to attend 20 hours of GC a year in person!

It is always good to have someone explain the point of view I just don't understand.

It doesn't change my opinion however.

We are to be like Christ. He and his Apostles traveled without purse or scrip. He had not where to lay his head. His true prophets throughout history were poor and relied on God to provide manna from heaven and water from rocks if no one was willing to feed them as they traveled preaching.

In the scriptures, those who are called but succumb to riches and Babylon are rejected by God as wicked like Solomon.

God's true servants are referred to in ways such as "a wild man" like Enoch.

To think that God has changed contradicts the scriptures. By their fruits we are to judge true and false prophets. On this point, their fruit is contrary to the pattern given.

Can you really not see a humble prophet of God traveling and preaching in plain clothes?

[Ymarsakar]

Costly apparel indeed.

20 dollar skin layer base layer from beyond heavioy discounted frok 60 usd. Zelensky is my style of wear

[Niemand]

Ok, sure any redirection of funds benefits one or the other but it is ABSURD to say staying at someone's house and eating their food is FREE in any way! Maybe more homey, or perhaps less expensive, but not free, to their organization as someone inside is still paying.

At least at a restaurant you order what you want and eat it. There was way much left over that I recall (not wasted) but expenses made.

Laughing that you truly could even say "free" after all your posts on global economics etc...

We are talking about whether something is free to the person taking it. It certainly is in most cases. Someone else is paying for it, but the GA isn't.

FREE?????????????????????????????? working 24/7 (again whether you accept what they do at that time is immaterial, I see guys sitting around waiting for a reason to hold a sign on freeway getting paid all day long) but their working.................................

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff. I'm surprised at the level of misunderstanding of what the PSR's DO for work. Again, whether you like what they do, doesn't change the 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, till you die part of it.

You can see it however you wish. They receive a stipend (pay) and a house etc which they don't pay for themselves out of their own wages. They're not supposed to be paid but are. Many of them are independently wealthy. They don't make as much as televangelists but it is still good money.

It is safe to say that the LDS' tithing must generate a considerable sum for Utah's economy.

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff.

According to your definition that isn't free either since someone has to pay the electricity bill!

What we get paid is often not proportionate to the amount of work we put in. Some tough jobs pay little and some easy jobs pay well. I've experience of both. I wish I had a basement though.

[Ymarsakar]

I agree. When viewed with the proper perspective—that these men are executives of a billion-dollar multinational corporation, rather than ministers—their perks are not very impressive.

Not my point, when viewed of a minimalist Jr American worker in retirement age, not too impressive. Not something to get into the game for.

Duke, what they get paid isn't the point. They get paid a "stipend" and other benefits that are in total three to four times the average household income in the United States all while paying no tithing on any of it. Meanwhile, Church employees who get paid much less than they do lose their jobs if they don't pay tithing. And they fly first-class to poor people all over the world telling them to pay tithing, or they can't go to the temple or go to heaven. They are literally taking food and clothes from needy children--offending God's little ones in very deed. If you can't see the deep hypocrisy and the satanic evil in this I don't know what's wrong with you. To me it seems like Church members who think this is ok are,

In the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for they hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should they be cut off while in the thought, they must go down to hell. For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one [person even though he payeth no tithing because he hath a high Church calling, and the other must perish physically because he payeth his tithing and hath no money for food or perisheth spiritually because he payeth no tithing so that he may feed his children].

Can you really not see the rank injustice and hypocrisy in this situation?

I don't care how much they might be making in the private sector. In fact, that's another reason why they shouldn't be getting a stipend at all, because they don't need it! This is true wickedness.

Sub did not see some of this due to waxxines. Duke got the military shots. Same nanotech.

[TheDuke]

Duke, what they get paid isn't the point. They get paid a "stipend" and other benefits that are in total three to four times the average household income in the United States all while paying no tithing on any of it. Meanwhile, Church employees who get paid much less than they do lose their jobs if they don't pay tithing. And they fly first-class to poor people all over the world telling them to pay tithing, or they can't go to the temple or go to heaven. They are literally taking food and clothes from needy children--offending God's little ones in very deed. If you can't see the deep hypocrisy and the satanic evil in this I don't know what's wrong with you. To me it seems like Church members who think this is ok are,

Can you really not see the rank injustice and hypocrisy in this situation?

I don't care how much they might be making in the private sector. In fact, that's another reason why they shouldn't be getting a stipend at all, because they don't need it! This is true wickedness.

No I don't see an issue. Who gives a crap what they make? They spend full time in service (whether or not you like what they do and how they do it) right up until they die. You think they make good money. I say it sucks. You're obviously quite clueless about how any exec exists in America. I would never accept living on such little money and having executive expectations (suits, ties, pressed shirts, clean cars, etc...) it ain't cheap to host other execs and you don't do it by picking up your guests in a 1999 Toyota Rav4 with 200,000+ miles on it, like I have?

I'm pretty sorry your jealous? And who cares if they pay tithes? They surely shouldn't on the stipend. They should on books and such (priestcraft income). I've NEVER heard they don't pay tithes. But I know it is wrong for anyone to pay on church income given for sustenance, including church welfare.

I am often amazed at how little many folks on the forum understand about professional socialities? I'm pretty much an outsider myself. I never liked doing exec stuff. But, I've been in the mansions of a few wealthy folks for social invites and get togethers for business reasons (Sec Def in UK, Euro, Singapore, Japan, etc...) and it isn't a place you show up in Wrangler jeans and a cheap shirt, self laundered. That costs money, cannot have clean nice suits and such on less than $160K. Hell, I live in Seattle area and it costs nearly $120K just to survive here owning a paid off house (Internet, TV, insurances, taxes of all kinds, car tabs, water, electricity, garbage, simple vacations, normal food, gasoline, tithes, medical, etc...)

The perks are nothing IMO. Of course you'd have to pay me $600K a year or more if you wanted me to have to attend 20 hours of GC a year in person!

It is always good to have someone explain the point of view I just don't understand.

It doesn't change my opinion however.

We are to be like Christ. He and his Apostles traveled without purse or scrip. He had not where to lay his head. His true prophets throughout history were poor and relied on God to provide manna from heaven and water from rocks if no one was willing to feed them as they traveled preaching.

In the scriptures, those who are called but succumb to riches and Babylon are rejected by God as wicked like Solomon.

God's true servants are referred to in ways such as "a wild man" like Enoch.

To think that God has changed contradicts the scriptures. By their fruits we are to judge true and false prophets. On this point, their fruit is contrary to the pattern given.

Can you really not see a humble prophet of God traveling and preaching in plain clothes?

Thanks, but you cannot live w/o purse or script today. School teachers don't live with parents as they travel around during school year. Even by Paul's time he was making tents and asking for money from all the congregations to live and to help James and co in Jerusalem live. Read the letters, not just the few verses we get in SS and you'll see much of the time spent on getting cash for the church leaders, not the widows, as Paul said they live with you for free, not to give them the money, etc...

My CEO made $330M in 8 years. Pelosi made $160M, most average CEO's are in the $1.5 to $30M per year with bonuses, even in a bad year. That's descent money, $120K-160K is dog food to a US exec. The Nuskin guy in Provo was was $300M? Just sayin, I wouldn't do it for the money. Hell, I'm retired, not rich but not broke, would take 3-4 times that to get me out of retirement and I'm no where near their ages.

[Niemand]

Sub did not see some of this due to waxxines. Duke got the military shots. Same nanotech.

First, off they're not vaccines (or waxxines) – stop promoting that lie.

Secondly, the Duke has not had them, but he can't even remember talking about that. Ymarsakar had to backtrack previously by saying he had caught it off other people's shots or "transfection".

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Nobody made that claim. I simply noted that the God of Creation is not solely invested in a church with so few numbers. Maybe it would make sense if it had 3 billion or 6 billion, as that would be a substantial majority or fraction of Earth's surface human pop.

Duke, are you transfected or something with the mrna? Because there are times that you act like you don't understand jokes or metaphoric language.

YOU SAID ON APRIL 23RD and I quote "Thr almighty creator god is not solely invested in a church that does not even have 1 billion total members."

YOU SAID 1 Billion was required. NOW you change your tune Mr. You accuse me of mrna infection, which is really funny. We talked about this claim several times now you say it is "joes or metaphoric language" You're the one making stuff up. BTW how would I get mRNA? I'm anti-VAX! I think a straight up sorry will do.

He doesn't apologise because that would take Christian humility. He prefers to lecture us on "karma", which isn't part of the Gospel.

[TheDuke]

Sub did not see some of this due to waxxines. Duke got the military shots. Same nanotech.

First, off they're not vaccines (or waxxines) – stop promoting that lie.

Secondly, the Duke has not had them, but he can't even remember talking about that. Ymarsakar had to backtrack previously by saying he had caught it off other people's shots or "transfection".

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Nobody made that claim. I simply noted that the God of Creation is not solely invested in a church with so few numbers. Maybe it would make sense if it had 3 billion or 6 billion, as that would be a substantial majority or fraction of Earth's surface human pop.

Duke, are you transfected or something with the mrna? Because there are times that you act like you don't understand jokes or metaphoric language.

YOU SAID ON APRIL 23RD and I quote "Thr almighty creator god is not solely invested in a church that does not even have 1 billion total members."

YOU SAID 1 Billion was required. NOW you change your tune Mr. You accuse me of mrna infection, which is really funny. We talked about this claim several times now you say it is "joes or metaphoric language" You're the one making stuff up. BTW how would I get mRNA? I'm anti-VAX! I think a straight up sorry will do.

He doesn't apologise because that would take Christian humility. He prefers to lecture us on "karma", which isn't part of the Gospel.

thanks for sure never vaxed with Covid in any way. Had covid from family in Utah 2 years ago, was terrible man-made version.

[JuneBug12000]

No I don't see an issue. Who gives a crap what they make? They spend full time in service (whether or not you like what they do and how they do it) right up until they die. You think they make good money. I say it sucks. You're obviously quite clueless about how any exec exists in America. I would never accept living on such little money and having executive expectations (suits, ties, pressed shirts, clean cars, etc...) it ain't cheap to host other execs and you don't do it by picking up your guests in a 1999 Toyota Rav4 with 200,000+ miles on it, like I have?

I'm pretty sorry your jealous? And who cares if they pay tithes? They surely shouldn't on the stipend. They should on books and such (priestcraft income). I've NEVER heard they don't pay tithes. But I know it is wrong for anyone to pay on church income given for sustenance, including church welfare.

I am often amazed at how little many folks on the forum understand about professional socialities? I'm pretty much an outsider myself. I never liked doing exec stuff. But, I've been in the mansions of a few wealthy folks for social invites and get togethers for business reasons (Sec Def in UK, Euro, Singapore, Japan, etc...) and it isn't a place you show up in Wrangler jeans and a cheap shirt, self laundered. That costs money, cannot have clean nice suits and such on less than $160K. Hell, I live in Seattle area and it costs nearly $120K just to survive here owning a paid off house (Internet, TV, insurances, taxes of all kinds, car tabs, water, electricity, garbage, simple vacations, normal food, gasoline, tithes, medical, etc...)

The perks are nothing IMO. Of course you'd have to pay me $600K a year or more if you wanted me to have to attend 20 hours of GC a year in person!

It is always good to have someone explain the point of view I just don't understand.

It doesn't change my opinion however.

We are to be like Christ. He and his Apostles traveled without purse or scrip. He had not where to lay his head. His true prophets throughout history were poor and relied on God to provide manna from heaven and water from rocks if no one was willing to feed them as they traveled preaching.

In the scriptures, those who are called but succumb to riches and Babylon are rejected by God as wicked like Solomon.

God's true servants are referred to in ways such as "a wild man" like Enoch.

To think that God has changed contradicts the scriptures. By their fruits we are to judge true and false prophets. On this point, their fruit is contrary to the pattern given.

Can you really not see a humble prophet of God traveling and preaching in plain clothes?

Thanks, but you cannot live w/o purse or script today. School teachers don't live with parents as they travel around during school year. Even by Paul's time he was making tents and asking for money from all the congregations to live and to help James and co in Jerusalem live. Read the letters, not just the few verses we get in SS and you'll see much of the time spent on getting cash for the church leaders, not the widows, as Paul said they live with you for free, not to give them the money, etc...

My CEO made $330M in 8 years. Pelosi made $160M, most average CEO's are in the $1.5 to $30M per year with bonuses, even in a bad year. That's descent money, $120K-160K is dog food to a US exec. The Nuskin guy in Provo was was $300M? Just sayin, I wouldn't do it for the money. Hell, I'm retired, not rich but not broke, would take 3-4 times that to get me out of retirement and I'm no where near their ages.

At best Paul is an apostle, little a, one sent with a message, not an Apostle, capital A, a witness of Christ from his baptism by John through the ressurrection.

At worst, he is one who pretended to be an Apostle and caused trouble with his mixing of truth and falsehood.

Most likely, his records were chosen, long after his death, because they fit the bill for unifying christians and pagans into one religion making it easier to rule over then.

Paul or Christ? Easy choice.

Quote me Jesus or those who were his actual Apostles and contemporaries and I'll listen.

No, the current, little a, apostles of the LDS church don't count. They have a conflict of interest in this matter.

[tribrac]

How much does a senior missionary couple pay these days?

I think the kids are still paying $400 a month.

[Niemand]

How much does a senior missionary couple pay these days?

I think the kids are still paying $400 a month.

Most of them have their own homes and cars on the mission.

[BenMcCrea]

-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

I'm wary of lists like this, from children/grandchildren. Not that they are false, per se, on their face, but the type of child/grandchild who would share this and share it like they do makes me unsympathetic to their motives.

The leaked paystub from President Eyring, which is the source for the $120,000 figure for the salaries, shows that he, at least, paid tithing on it. On gross.

I don't believe that they are exempt from tithing. Maybe Eyring chose to pay it, anyway, but I doubt that he would be an outlier.

I don’t really care whether Pres Eyring pays tithing but his pay stub does not show that he pays tithing - there are hand written notes which say income and tithing but which don’t actually make any sense.

For example: 5442.00 + 76.92 + 2211.53 + 730.77 does not equal 3019.22 which is the hand written amount and 301.92 as tithing. The actual gross amount was 8461.22 so he would have underpaid his tithing by $544.

[Rubicon]

I don’t really care whether Pres Eyring pays tithing but his pay stub does not show that he pays tithing - there are hand written notes which say income and tithing but which don’t actually make any sense.

For example: 5442.00 + 76.92 + 2211.53 + 730.77 does not equal 3019.22 which is the hand written amount and 301.92 as tithing. The actual gross amount was 8461.22 so he would have underpaid his tithing by $544.

Well, if he paid something between gross and net, that would make many here happy. It was still tithing, when Dehlin's Busche claim was that GAs are tithing exempt.

[Niemand]

FREE?????????????????????????????? working 24/7 (again whether you accept what they do at that time is immaterial, I see guys sitting around waiting for a reason to hold a sign on freeway getting paid all day long) but their working.................................

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff. I'm surprised at the level of misunderstanding of what the PSR's DO for work. Again, whether you like what they do, doesn't change the 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, till you die part of it.

GAs do not work 24 hours a day, let's knock that one on the head right away. You make it sound like they are permanently on call like a nurse or a fireman. They can travel abroad and that leads to jet lag, but they are certainly not on 24 hour call.

I think Pres. Nelson is an intermittent sleeper from what his wife says, but there isn't much in his life that justifies 24 hour work. There is delegation within the Mormon structure (as there should be.) Maybe if all of central SLC was levelled by an earthquake, or something ultradramatic like that, then he would get a call at 2 o' clock in the morning, but there is little reason to wake him otherwise.

[Teancum1]

FREE?????????????????????????????? working 24/7 (again whether you accept what they do at that time is immaterial, I see guys sitting around waiting for a reason to hold a sign on freeway getting paid all day long) but their working.................................

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff. I'm surprised at the level of misunderstanding of what the PSR's DO for work. Again, whether you like what they do, doesn't change the 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, till you die part of it.

GAs do not work 24 hours a day, let's knock that one on the head right away. You make it sound like they are permanently on call like a nurse or a fireman. They can travel abroad and that leads to jet lag, but they are certainly not on 24 hour call.

I think Pres. Nelson is an intermittent sleeper from what his wife says, but there isn't much in his life that justifies 24 hour work. There is delegation within the Mormon structure (as there should be.) Maybe if all of central SLC was levelled by an earthquake, or something ultradramatic like that, then he would get a call at 2 o' clock in the morning, but there is little reason to wake him otherwise.

Yes the 24/7 365 image they give you certainly is mostly myth. If you showed up at headquarters and sat in the lobby for a week- I do wonder who you would see and how much.

[TwochurchesOnly]

FREE?????????????????????????????? working 24/7 (again whether you accept what they do at that time is immaterial, I see guys sitting around waiting for a reason to hold a sign on freeway getting paid all day long) but their working.................................

Free is when you sit in your basement watching TV and people give you stuff. I'm surprised at the level of misunderstanding of what the PSR's DO for work. Again, whether you like what they do, doesn't change the 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, till you die part of it.

GAs do not work 24 hours a day, let's knock that one on the head right away. You make it sound like they are permanently on call like a nurse or a fireman. They can travel abroad and that leads to jet lag, but they are certainly not on 24 hour call.

I think Pres. Nelson is an intermittent sleeper from what his wife says, but there isn't much in his life that justifies 24 hour work. There is delegation within the Mormon structure (as there should be.) Maybe if all of central SLC was levelled by an earthquake, or something ultradramatic like that, then he would get a call at 2 o' clock in the morning, but there is little reason to wake him otherwise.

Yes the 24/7 365 image they give you certainly is mostly myth. If you showed up at headquarters and sat in the lobby for a week- I do wonder who you would see and how much.

They probably use private(secret) entrances/exits- to avoid contact -
let alone interaction with the common folk
While they revel in celebrity status, they wouldn't risk confrontation by some disgruntled apostate types

[Mindfields]

"In the center of the movement, as the motor that swings it into motion, sits the leader. He is separated from the elite formation by an inner circle of the initiated a spread around him an aura of impenetrable mystery which corresponds to his "intangible preponderance."
(Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism)