Perks of the General Authorities

[CMajor]

Lila Rector daughter of the late Hartman Rector talked about the perks of being in the family of a General Authority

*2 New Cars
*Free tuition to BYU
*Free meals at certain restaurants in downtown Salt Lake
*Week vacation at Aspen Grove with families of other GA's
*Lavish lunches on Saturday and Sunday between sessions of General Conference. We're talking Lobster, Salmon, Steak, Prime Rib, etc. plus hundreds of desserts.
*Having the 2nd anointing - calling and election made sure. (Sin as much as you like)
*Get a large binder with all the subjects you are allowed to talk on.
-Today you can add GA vacations to Maui at the private Marriott resort
-Six figure income ($120,000)
-Main floor seating in the Conference Center
-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

https://youtu.be/HkQYp7OJwUs

[Good & Global]

Red Ledges million dollar homes anyone?

Flying airplanes he gets it. First Class is better than Economy otherwise known as cattle class.

[Good & Global]

Lila Rector daughter of the late Hartman Rector talked about the perks of being in the family of a General Authority

*2 New Cars
*Free tuition to BYU
*Free meals at certain restaurants in downtown Salt Lake
*Week vacation at Aspen Grove with families of other GA's
*Lavish lunches on Saturday and Sunday between sessions of General Conference. We're talking Lobster, Salmon, Steak, Prime Rib, etc. plus hundreds of desserts.
*Having the 2nd anointing - calling and election made sure. (Sin as much as you like)
*Get a large binder with all the subjects you are allowed to talk on.
-Today you can add GA vacations to Maui at the private Marriott resort
-Six figure income ($120,000)
-Main floor seating in the Conference Center
-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

With all the free flowing excess tithing money in the stock market by hedge fund managers, you don't think that since they get executive pay they wouldn't get executive style pension benefits too? That stockpile is not for the church that is for them and all their friends friends and their kids etc. It is to take care of the aristocratic class of the church not the little people.

[Robin Hood]

I wouldn't expect them to pay tithing on the stipend, just as a missionary supported by his ward or stake mission fund is not to required to tithe.
However, I imagine they pay tithing on their private income.

I have no problem with them being fed between conference sessions.

The free restaurants in SLC? Not sure about this. If they're on church assignment or attending church functions they're required at, then maybe. Otherwise this appears to be OTT.
On the face of it I have no problem with what amounts to a week's corporate vacation/team building session in some fancy place. A kind of FSY for grown-ups. I do wonder if it's entirely necessary though.

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

I wouldn't expect them to pay tithing on the stipend, just as a missionary supported by his ward or stake mission fund is not to required to tithe.
However, I imagine they pay tithing on their private income.

I have no problem with them being fed between conference sessions.

The free restaurants in SLC? Not sure about this. If they're on church assignment or attending church functions they're required at, then maybe. Otherwise this appears to be OTT.
On the face of it I have no problem with what amounts to a week's corporate vacation/team building session in some fancy place. A kind of FSY for grown-ups. I do wonder if it's entirely necessary though.

Here’s the problem. It isn’t about the money or the meals or the vacations or the tuition or the cars or the tithing write off. It’s about how these perks build loyalty to an organization.

This is the same pattern of team building and loyalty creation you see in any corporation. You don’t want your people going off the reservation or taking shots at your product. You want a yes man environment and in this case you need a yes man culture at all costs. This is how you do it:

You make any behavior other than complete and total fealty to management painful enough that everyone stays in the boat.

The result is two fold: first there’s little or no descent from middle Management. Second decision making tends to be fraught with errors. When there are some ideas or discussion topics that are culturally taboo the no one freely speaks his mind or thinks critically about topics or programs, the organization ends up with huge blind spots that result in poor management decisions.

In this case it leaves the church open to claims of lack of revelation or inspiration.

[Seed Starter]

Lila Rector daughter of the late Hartman Rector talked about the perks of being in the family of a General Authority

*2 New Cars
*Free tuition to BYU
*Free meals at certain restaurants in downtown Salt Lake
*Week vacation at Aspen Grove with families of other GA's
*Lavish lunches on Saturday and Sunday between sessions of General Conference. We're talking Lobster, Salmon, Steak, Prime Rib, etc. plus hundreds of desserts.
*Having the 2nd anointing - calling and election made sure. (Sin as much as you like)
*Get a large binder with all the subjects you are allowed to talk on.
-Today you can add GA vacations to Maui at the private Marriott resort
-Six figure income ($120,000)
-Main floor seating in the Conference Center
-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

https://youtu.be/HkQYp7OJwUs

Elder Rector gave me a blessing as a child. I was not healed but I appreciated how much comfort it seemed to give my parents and I felt special at the time too. I will never know if that man was needed to bless my condition but I have been blessed. I appreciate Rector visiting our home and for his time but all glory goes to God. There was nothing instant that happened to me physically on that day but the surety of God's love certainly carried me through some dark times in childhood and adolescence. My Mother recorded that blessing and transcribed it in my scrapbook.

It was interesting to hear his daughter talk (near the end) about when healing worked and when it didn't. The 2nd anointing stuff drives me crazy. It's almost like they're volunteering to be the teacher's pet but the teacher refuses them. That doesn't stop them from bragging to the other kids that teacher thinks I'm special. Then you have students working hard thinking they have a C average and the butt kissers are telling everyone they're getting an A+. Why would anyone think God hands out free passes to sin? How he wielded it around his family was sad to hear.

I get really annoyed when GA's act like they're making a huge financial sacrifice compared to whatever corporate gig they had. I experienced this earlier this year from my parents and from a 70 himself.

[Niemand]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

[Dave62]

Free tuition at BYU? I think I would rather have bowel surgery in the bush with a stick.

[Ymarsakar]

BYU has had very good academic controls over professors. So if they are falling into the transhuman WEF ideology, that is not due to Leftists or outside political infiltrators. IRA substack researched the Bennion bloodlines, who early on infiltrated the BYU and education lines.

THis is an old satan trick. IF you can't hijack the current generations, just target the children. For entities that don't die naturally, they plan in the centuries and in the hundreds of generations. They have time, mortal humans can't remember what they did 5 years ago.

I was confident, looking at BYU's academic controls on "speech" and what was allowed to be taught, thta the central LDS authorities had the power to restrict outside infiltration. OF course, I never imagined that infiltration had already succeeded hundreds of years ago. Tricky satans, good strategy.

[TheDuke]

Lila Rector daughter of the late Hartman Rector talked about the perks of being in the family of a General Authority

*2 New Cars
*Free tuition to BYU
*Free meals at certain restaurants in downtown Salt Lake
*Week vacation at Aspen Grove with families of other GA's
*Lavish lunches on Saturday and Sunday between sessions of General Conference. We're talking Lobster, Salmon, Steak, Prime Rib, etc. plus hundreds of desserts.
*Having the 2nd anointing - calling and election made sure. (Sin as much as you like)
*Get a large binder with all the subjects you are allowed to talk on.
-Today you can add GA vacations to Maui at the private Marriott resort
-Six figure income ($120,000)
-Main floor seating in the Conference Center
-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

https://youtu.be/HkQYp7OJwUs

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I am continually surprised by the perspective of many LDS people. Hell my Amway friends get better perks (income depending on tree). The guy that crashed his jet in Provo from Nuskin, another Amway like construct had his own jet!

I love the "main floor seating on conference center" now THATS a PERK!

[Robin Hood]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

I once met the RLDS president when he was visiting England. I was surprised to find he stayed with various church members while here; no hotels.

[gkearney]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

I once met the RLDS president when he was visiting England. I was surprised to find he stayed with various church members while here; no hotels.

I think it is clear that President Veazey of the Community of Christ/RLDS does not get these kind of perks. The Community of Christ/RLDS out of necessity must be very careful with thier funds which are publicly documented.

I have had occasion to meet with President Veazey from time to time and even his office in The Temple at Independence, Missouri is nice but modest by most standards. It is also worth noting that you can get President Veazey on the phone (+1 (816) 521-3038) if you need to, try to do that with President Nelson.

[Good & Global]

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I am continually surprised by the perspective of many LDS people. Hell my Amway friends get better perks (income depending on tree). The guy that crashed his jet in Provo from Nuskin, another Amway like construct had his own jet!

I love the "main floor seating on conference center" now THATS a PERK!

I agree those are terrible perks. Imagine getting lifetime income without ever having to work again!

The work they do is enduring the idol worship bestowed upon them. Let's be clear the other options you mentioned required work, at risk job tenure and the possibility of being fired. You are also referencing for profit companies not churches of God.

It is not the same.

[Good & Global]

Elder Rector gave me a blessing as a child. I was not healed but I appreciated how much comfort it seemed to give my parents and I felt special at the time too. I will never know if that man was needed to bless my condition but I have been blessed. I appreciate Rector visiting our home and for his time but all glory goes to God. There was nothing instant that happened to me physically on that day but the surety of God's love certainly carried me through some dark times in childhood and adolescence. My Mother recorded that blessing and transcribed it in my scrapbook.

I knew the man. Church theatrics aside, he was very down to earth person.

Sadly, he had a lot of memory issues before he died.

[Fight for the right]

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I am continually surprised by the perspective of many LDS people. Hell my Amway friends get better perks (income depending on tree). The guy that crashed his jet in Provo from Nuskin, another Amway like construct had his own jet!

I love the "main floor seating on conference center" now THATS a PERK!

I agree those are terrible perks. Imagine getting lifetime income without ever having to work again!

The work they do is enduring the idol worship bestowed upon them. Let's be clear the other options you mentioned required work, at risk job tenure and the possibility of being fired. You are also referencing for profit companies not churches of God.

It is not the same.

I really don't give a dam what perks they get, It doesn't affect my salvation.

[Mindfields]

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I am continually surprised by the perspective of many LDS people. Hell my Amway friends get better perks (income depending on tree). The guy that crashed his jet in Provo from Nuskin, another Amway like construct had his own jet!

I love the "main floor seating on conference center" now THATS a PERK!

I agree those are terrible perks. Imagine getting lifetime income without ever having to work again!

The work they do is enduring the idol worship bestowed upon them. Let's be clear the other options you mentioned required work, at risk job tenure and the possibility of being fired. You are also referencing for profit companies not churches of God.

It is not the same.

I really don't give a dam what perks they get, It doesn't affect my salvation.

After living the majority of my life believing what they taught regarding an unpaid ministry, the fact that they get "perks" could affect my salvation if I believed them and followed them. I don't.

[Robin Hood]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

I once met the RLDS president when he was visiting England. I was surprised to find he stayed with various church members while here; no hotels.

I think it is clear that President Veazey of the Community of Christ/RLDS does not get these kind of perks. The Community of Christ/RLDS out of necessity must be very careful with thier funds which are publicly documented.

I have had occasion to meet with President Veazey from time to time and even his office in The Temple at Independence, Missouri is nice but modest by most standards. It is also worth noting that you can get President Veazey on the phone (+1 (816) 521-3038) if you need to, try to do that with President Nelson.

It was Grant McMurray.

[captainfearnot]

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I agree. When viewed with the proper perspective—that these men are executives of a billion-dollar multinational corporation, rather than ministers—their perks are not very impressive.

[Good & Global]

I agree. When viewed with the proper perspective—that these men are executives of a billion-dollar multinational corporation, rather than ministers—their perks are not very impressive.

Agreed but what is so funny is with all these backroom deals they keep cutting with businesses, hiding money from members, reimbursing all manner of charges put on credit cards for their "poor stipend" folks, you honestly think they are going to have any direct link to them receiving money that would show its all a scam?

Why do you think they have lawyers and businessmen for the Q15 and not farmers and fishermen. They know how to obfuscate and hide money. So we know they do not receive any of this excess? Do we have a live camera on the 150+ billion dollars as if they were gold coins in a vault? Members do not even know how much money they have. Shouldn't that be a dead giveaway you do not know what they get in full compensation? If you do not even know how much they have to begin with, how do you know anything has been taken away?

[Seed Starter]

I agree. When viewed with the proper perspective—that these men are executives of a billion-dollar multinational corporation, rather than ministers—their perks are not very impressive.

Agreed but what is so funny is with all these backroom deals they keep cutting with businesses, hiding money from members, reimbursing all manner of charges put on credit cards for their "poor stipend" folks, you honestly think they are going to have any direct link to them receiving money that would show its all a scam?

Why do you think they have lawyers and businessmen for the Q15 and not farmers and fishermen. They know how to obfuscate and hide money. So we know they do not receive any of this excess? Do we have a live camera on the 150+ billion dollars as if they were gold coins in a vault? Members do not even know how much money they have. Shouldn't that be a dead giveaway you do not know what they get in full compensation? If you do not even know how much they have to begin with, how do you know anything has been taken away?

$120k is base pay that is known to the public. What is a pass to the celestial kingdom worth? Sure, some non GA's get that but being a GA pretty much guarantees the 2nd anointing. I don't think the 2A guarantees anything but many people do so there is a huge perceived value there. I wonder how much money an auction for a pair of 2A's would bring? What would someone pay for that if it were as simple as paying cash. I'd guess that would depend on supply. These men have power and respect by virtue of their positions. What is that worth? Some people find zero value in that and others are all about those things.

Something else to consider if it really was only $120k is how many free "volunteer" hours did it take to reach that level? The perks should be food, travel/lodging, security, and perhaps money for suits. I would guess much more than $120k is involved for the top guys but I can't know how much.

[ChooseTruth]

It’s currently more than 120k. From talking with a temple president about 10 years ago, it was 140k at that time.

[TheDuke]

Pretty shitty perks IMO! I had similar perks but I wouldn't have worked for those slavery wages. The execs in my company of which I wasn't would have 10x the salary, access to continual private jets, don't pay tithing, and get to go to way better places and don't have to have other GA's families around when they get down. Not too mention $10sM to $100sM in stock options.

I agree. When viewed with the proper perspective—that these men are executives of a billion-dollar multinational corporation, rather than ministers—their perks are not very impressive.

Not my point, when viewed of a minimalist Jr American worker in retirement age, not too impressive. Not something to get into the game for.

[Niemand]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

I once met the RLDS president when he was visiting England. I was surprised to find he stayed with various church members while here; no hotels.

Not an entirely bad thing, but I don't think there is anywhere outside dictatorships and the Third World they can't get somewhere to stay.

I have misgivings about the CoC but they have some things right.

[TheDuke]

You can travel to most parts of the developed world and get free accom and food, courtesy of members.

Their clothing and grooming are also probably on the church too.

I once met the RLDS president when he was visiting England. I was surprised to find he stayed with various church members while here; no hotels.

Not an entirely bad thing, but I don't think there is anywhere outside dictatorships and the Third World they can't get somewhere to stay.

I have misgivings about the CoC but they have some things right.

Kind of silly statements that there is free accommodations that is. TANSTAAFL. I recall when I was young in upstate NY, the GA's, apostles, and prophet coming to our area. They usually stayed with the SP, so we'd hear local stories. but during the Palmyra Pageant numerous came at the same time and there isn't any (wasn't anyway) Palmyra stake. Hell our stake covered all of central NY from Canadian border near Watertown to Pennsylvania and the Susquehanna area, Rochester on the west to I don't know where on the east. So, staying with SP could leave you with 100+ miles of travel each way, each day. So, they stayed local in members houses or some tiny motel I guess. But we fed them. It was in the Palmyra ward building gym. I met many GAs at pageant and DoMckay, SWK, Benson, and a few more. My first memory was with McKay.

It was done so that no money was spent on the Sabbath. But the effort was there none-the-less. I mean you either make LDS families (wives mostly) cook and clean or some restaurant staff, what's the difference? So they changed policies. I see the logic. But, it is a bit flawed to go to some restaurant and then say not to go out to others, etc... Never bothered me, I mean I've traveled through weekends for business for 50 years and I'll be damned if the church ever made me lunch or that I would go hungry for a day.

[Rubicon]

-No payment of tithing - (from Enzio Busche former GA Seventy)

I'm wary of lists like this, from children/grandchildren. Not that they are false, per se, on their face, but the type of child/grandchild who would share this and share it like they do makes me unsympathetic to their motives.

The leaked paystub from President Eyring, which is the source for the $120,000 figure for the salaries, shows that he, at least, paid tithing on it. On gross.

I don't believe that they are exempt from tithing. Maybe Eyring chose to pay it, anyway, but I doubt that he would be an outlier.