Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 4

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Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 4

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Dedicated to my friend Creator ;)

Feeling a need to defend the original truth of 1827 - 1829, I will be stating herein some discussion points in piecemeal fashion. Rather than present all 30 plus at once, this will give anyone interested opportunity to absorb and research the ideas and comments if interested. These points are mainly from a gentleman named Richard Bauman taken from his series entitled "What Happened To The Church". (See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrywgxUo ... 1hbg%3D%3D)

Like most documentaries I add that the views of the author do not necessarily represent my views. However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship.

Many of the Book of Mormon references are given as the RLDS version.

I quote:

...the following documented statements should bring the reader to the realization that ... Joseph Smith indeed "yielded to the persuasions of men". Consequently in just a very short time, the truths of the unchangeable God became so obscured that those whose job it was to bring forth and establish the truth became the enemy by concealing the truth!

11. Jan. 1831 Sidney Rigdon, who only lived 2 miles from Kirtland, had many followers at
Kirtland. Guess what?! Joseph then receives a "revelation" that the church should gather to
Kirtland, and there "you shall be endowed with power from on high, and from thence
whosoever will, shall go forth among all nations..." (LDS D&C 38:32). The little
church that numbered in the dozens was soon joined with about 1,000 new members from
the Kirtland area.

12. June 3 ,1851 Mass ordination of High priests, the first time High priests appear in the
church. (see item # 1O) (see also Far West Record, P.7)

13. June, 1831 Joseph receives a "revelation" that Missouri is now the gathering place!! (D&C 52:2) Note that the preface of that "revelation" says Missouri is designated as the land of the inheritance of the saints. The specific location of the point of gathering is not tated, but it must have been sufficiently understood for the elders to meet there after traveling and preaching along many different routes." THIS IS AN ABSURD STATEMENT!!!
Parley Pratt, Cowdery and others, had lived in Independence the previous winter and helped
set up businesses, otherwise it indeed would have been strange for all these men to appear at
the same time at the same place. Isn't it obvious (again) that Joseph was persuaded?!
Parley Pratt had come to Kirtland and gave Joseph a personal account of Independence, and
Joseph had also received letters from the others who were living in Independence. (See the
Autobiography of Parley Parker Pratt),

14. Summer 1831 "coincidentally" many of the traveling priesthood, including Joseph and
Sidney, arrive at Independence at the same time. Joseph then receives a "revelation" that
Independence is the gathering place (Section 57) and that the "sound must go forth from
this place into all the world..." (Sec.58) which carries a familiar ring to item #11
above.


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The quoted portions dont' sound like Richard Bauman.

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Ymarsakar wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 10:01 am The quoted portions dont' sound like Richard Bauman.
I PROMISE, these are primarily Dick Bauman's words. I forgot to put them in italics. I have corrected it.

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Bauman says things primarily, from the video above, stuff like searching for the whole truth. Pause. Wants to get down to the foundations of truth, all of the truth, and those who wish to seek as him, he welcomes and works with, and those who are satisfied with some of the truth but not all of it, he has to ignore or pass.

Meaning they aren't quotes but you paraphrasing Bauman's ideas, right?

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Just one comment about the high priests thing. There were high priests ordained before 1851. Joseph, Lyman Wight, and others were ordained to the high priesthood in 1831 .

As for the mass ordinations in 1851, had anyone performing those ordinations been ordained to it at the conference at Morley's farm? Or had they obtained it in a similar fashion? If so, I'd like to see the record of it.

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:41 pm Just one comment about the high priests thing. There were high priests ordained before 1851. Joseph, Lyman Wight, and others were ordained to the high priesthood in 1831 .

As for the mass ordinations in 1851, had anyone performing those ordinations been ordained to it at the conference at Morley's farm? Or had they obtained it in a similar fashion? If so, I'd like to see the record of it.
I'm pretty sure 1851 is a typo, he meant 1831.

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Shawn Henry wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:56 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:41 pm Just one comment about the high priests thing. There were high priests ordained before 1851. Joseph, Lyman Wight, and others were ordained to the high priesthood in 1831 .

As for the mass ordinations in 1851, had anyone performing those ordinations been ordained to it at the conference at Morley's farm? Or had they obtained it in a similar fashion? If so, I'd like to see the record of it.
I'm pretty sure 1851 is a typo, he meant 1831.
Ohhh, okay, that would make more sense.

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