Does God live in you?

[Thinker]

Besides the human sacrifice scapegoating, good points..

It’s not “human sacrifice scapegoating”.

Do you think you can save yourself?

Yes it is human sacrifice scapegoating to kill someone who supposedly takes upon him the sins of others, to appease an imagined god. Even pretending to do such evil is counter to Christ’s teachings of correcting not just actions but thoughts too.

It’s God’s design that we each individually exercise active faith, humility - basically become stronger. Nobody can grow for us, though we all have lots of help (saviors) in spirit and body.

Can anyone exercise for you physically or spiritually?

[TheDuke]

THINK about it.
Why would God punish us for being as God created?

The dilemma is right there in your statement. god didn't create us. .. "we" or "us" is eternal.

… god did not make gays gay or murderers killers or greedy people greedy. Neither did Satan/Lucifer. That is just how we all were in the beginning it is "natural" for us the natural man for the lower forms of life, just "natural". but Natural does not mean acceptable to obtain god's power and life. It is acceptable if you want to remain a lower form of being. He accepts that as he pushes no one up the chain.

Hi Duke,
I agree that to twist the notion that God created us to justify dysfunctional or evil actions is wrong. There’s a difference between being created and us creating our own characters/habits etc.

When I say God created us - I mean as Aristotle suggested & was borrowed in the Bible - that God as the “Prime Mover,” got the ball rolling. I believe (though I may need to revisit this belief) that God also created us in conditions that allow for faith and free will- so we can choose - the most ideal conditions for growth. As Leibniz wrote, “This is the best of all possible worlds."

Actually if you read the modern revelations of JS you will see that we are co-eternal with god. He didn't get the ball rolling. He was inside creation. He just accelerated the balls rolling for those that are interested and then extended the range to new heights (celestial) that were unachievable in plain-ole natural evolution w/o him.

He provides a path and gives signs and guide posts, but he never pushes any spirit or life force to move outside of its agency, from the simple life forms to other gods. BTW here we are talking of the Elohim, not Jesus or his Father, in the beginning rolling the ball that is.

[Thinker]

The dilemma is right there in your statement. god didn't create us. .. "we" or "us" is eternal.

… god did not make gays gay or murderers killers or greedy people greedy. Neither did Satan/Lucifer. That is just how we all were in the beginning it is "natural" for us the natural man for the lower forms of life, just "natural". but Natural does not mean acceptable to obtain god's power and life. It is acceptable if you want to remain a lower form of being. He accepts that as he pushes no one up the chain.

Hi Duke,
I agree that to twist the notion that God created us to justify dysfunctional or evil actions is wrong. There’s a difference between being created and us creating our own characters/habits etc.

When I say God created us - I mean as Aristotle suggested & was borrowed in the Bible - that God as the “Prime Mover,” got the ball rolling. I believe (though I may need to revisit this belief) that God also created us in conditions that allow for faith and free will- so we can choose - the most ideal conditions for growth. As Leibniz wrote, “This is the best of all possible worlds."

Actually if you read the modern revelations of JS you will see that we are co-eternal with god. He didn't get the ball rolling. He was inside creation. He just accelerated the balls rolling for those that are interested and then extended the range to new heights (celestial) that were unachievable in plain-ole natural evolution w/o him.

He provides a path and gives signs and guide posts, but he never pushes any spirit or life force to move outside of its agency, from the simple life forms to other gods. BTW here we are talking of the Elohim, not Jesus or his Father, in the beginning rolling the ball that is.

Good points.
Again, I may revisit the idea of God as Creator. And as Christ said & as this thread title suggests, “the kingdom of God is within you.” - Luke 17

A lot of NDE’s explain how we are all one with God and one another. And I think JS taught how as intelligences, we helped in creating the world, universe etc. Maybe it’s also good to see my own inseparable divine part when I consider the power of belief/faith in my own body (placebo effect).

Still, when it comes to active faith when things are hard, & when exploring for truth, it may be best to recognize the difference between my egoic mind & God. In this life - it’s kinda like we each are pioneers going out west to isolate ourselves so we can grow. When we’re inseparable, we don’t grow as we need.

Hope that makes sense.

[Ymarsakar]

Hi Duke,
I agree that to twist the notion that God created us to justify dysfunctional or evil actions is wrong. There’s a difference between being created and us creating our own characters/habits etc.

When I say God created us - I mean as Aristotle suggested & was borrowed in the Bible - that God as the “Prime Mover,” got the ball rolling. I believe (though I may need to revisit this belief) that God also created us in conditions that allow for faith and free will- so we can choose - the most ideal conditions for growth. As Leibniz wrote, “This is the best of all possible worlds."

Actually if you read the modern revelations of JS you will see that we are co-eternal with god. He didn't get the ball rolling. He was inside creation. He just accelerated the balls rolling for those that are interested and then extended the range to new heights (celestial) that were unachievable in plain-ole natural evolution w/o him.

He provides a path and gives signs and guide posts, but he never pushes any spirit or life force to move outside of its agency, from the simple life forms to other gods. BTW here we are talking of the Elohim, not Jesus or his Father, in the beginning rolling the ball that is.

Good points.
Again, I may revisit the idea of God as Creator. And as Christ said & as this thread title suggests, “the kingdom of God is within you.” - Luke 17

A lot of NDE’s explain how we are all one with God and one another. And I think JS taught how as intelligences, we helped in creating the world, universe etc. Maybe it’s also good to see my own inseparable divine part when I consider the power of belief/faith in my own body (placebo effect).

Still, when it comes to active faith when things are hard, & when exploring for truth, it may be best to recognize the difference between my egoic mind & God. In this life - it’s kinda like we each are pioneers going out west to isolate ourselves so we can grow. When we’re inseparable, we don’t grow as we need.

Hope that makes sense.

If u start thinking urself divine, u will be confronted with resistance just like i do here.

[Silver Pie]

Profound points, John Tavner (in more than just the op). Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

There are some good faith-promoting thoughts in this thread. I really appreciate posts like those that increase my faith in Christ.

[John Tavner]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Fn7Bd2/

What she said

" A lot of people have Him (Jesus) in their heads, but if you don't have Him in your heart, you missed heaven by 18 inches."

That's so awesome, I love what she said. It is so profound and can be convicting even more - said in a different way, but it makes you really think about the head knowledge versus the relationship and the importance of relationship with God!

[nightlight]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Fn7Bd2/

What she said

" A lot of people have Him (Jesus) in their heads, but if you don't have Him in your heart, you missed heaven by 18 inches."

That's so awesome, I love what she said. It is so profound and can be convicting even more - said in a different way, but it makes you really think about the head knowledge versus the relationship and the importance of relationship with God!

Right. Straight

"here a little, and there a little: for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

[Ymarsakar]

Nighight shows how channeling can lead to mixed results in this thread. viewtopic.php?p=1410421#p1410421

A lot of people have Him (Jesus) in their heads, but if you don't have Him in your heart, you missed heaven by 18 inches.

[John Tavner]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Fn7Bd2/

What she said

" A lot of people have Him (Jesus) in their heads, but if you don't have Him in your heart, you missed heaven by 18 inches."

That's so awesome, I love what she said. It is so profound and can be convicting even more - said in a different way, but it makes you really think about the head knowledge versus the relationship and the importance of relationship with God!

Right. Straight

"here a little, and there a little: for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

You probably already knew this, but I started looking at that verse more- Another way of translating it would be " With foreign lips and foreign languages He will speak to this people" Also found in 1 Cor 14:21. Anyways reading on it says " to whom He has said: “This is the place of rest, let the weary rest; this is the place of repose.” But they would not listen" We can not have rest or repose unless we believe it in Christ. I just thought that was pretty awesome (1) How God is seeking us out even from other sources to help us hear- even if we won't, but He is still trying and (2) still tells us He is a place of rest- and when they reject Him... then they continue to place command upon command, injuction upon injunction, measurement upon measurement- a little word hear nad a little there until they stumble and fall back and become ensnared.

It seems to be what happens as we drift away from God... we add more and more rules and laws and continue to drift farther - here a little and there a little, continuing to drift back, because we won't hear and listen to the rest of the Lord and the whole time we become more and more injured, lured, and then held captive to our ways - never obtaining the rest that the foreign lips (now very foreign because we don't even recognize the source from which it comes) declare unto us through the Lord.

[FrankOne]

wat, you guys are now calling yourselves gods, and becoming too much like ymar? Heh

enough already.

[Thinker]

Good points.
Again, I may revisit the idea of God as Creator. And as Christ said & as this thread title suggests, “the kingdom of God is within you.” - Luke 17

A lot of NDE’s explain how we are all one with God and one another. And I think JS taught how as intelligences, we helped in creating the world, universe etc. Maybe it’s also good to see my own inseparable divine part when I consider the power of belief/faith in my own body (placebo effect).

Still, when it comes to active faith when things are hard, & when exploring for truth, it may be best to recognize the difference between my egoic mind & God. In this life - it’s kinda like we each are pioneers going out west to isolate ourselves so we can grow. When we’re inseparable, we don’t grow as we need.

Hope that makes sense.

If u start thinking urself divine, u will be confronted with resistance just like i do here.

We’re divine but also human. YinYang.

I don’t know if the words were some which Constantine/Eusebius had changed, but scriptures explain how what pissed people off most was Jesus claiming he was god. I can see that as partly true - demigods & when in a state of oneness with God - we are as one with God. Still, I wonder if Jesus could have had more empathy with meeting people where they were. Obviously they weren’t ready to understand deeper truths. OTOH, maybe his parables helped protect at least somewhat against corrupting the words. Why was he so blunt in some cases, and others so obscure?

[Ymarsakar]

Good points.
Again, I may revisit the idea of God as Creator. And as Christ said & as this thread title suggests, “the kingdom of God is within you.” - Luke 17

A lot of NDE’s explain how we are all one with God and one another. And I think JS taught how as intelligences, we helped in creating the world, universe etc. Maybe it’s also good to see my own inseparable divine part when I consider the power of belief/faith in my own body (placebo effect).

Still, when it comes to active faith when things are hard, & when exploring for truth, it may be best to recognize the difference between my egoic mind & God. In this life - it’s kinda like we each are pioneers going out west to isolate ourselves so we can grow. When we’re inseparable, we don’t grow as we need.

Hope that makes sense.

If u start thinking urself divine, u will be confronted with resistance just like i do here.

We’re divine but also human. YinYang.

I don’t know if the words were some which Constantine/Eusebius had changed, but scriptures explain how what pissed people off most was Jesus claiming he was god. I can see that as partly true - demigods & when in a state of oneness with God - we are as one with God. Still, I wonder if Jesus could have had more empathy with meeting people where they were. Obviously they weren’t ready to understand deeper truths. OTOH, maybe his parables helped protect at least somewhat against corrupting the words. Why was he so blunt in some cases, and others so obscure?

Your last question is a good and pivotal one. Thus I won't tell you what the answer is from my pov, but you will find out if you keep asking your god. THe answer will manifest in a way you can comprehend and take in.

viewtopic.php?p=1414962#p1414962

My fully edited comments addresses some of the issues here.

Jeshua has to obey divine rules like the right to know the truth and the right not to know the truth. So some people, like Mary, was ready to hear. Others needed to make a choice to discard their old ideas. And still others chose to maintain their egoic conception of god as being fixed in their minds. So depending on who he is talking to, he will speak differntly.

But that's just what I do online as well.

[Thinker]

Why would anyone think human sacrifice is godly?
God demands the killing of an innocent person to be appeased?

All people die. Innocent or Evil. And truthfully, it is God who kills each one of us, just as He made us live.

So while to may be wicked for man to take another man's life, how can it be wicked for God, since that was always His plan and He has the authority to do so?

There is a difference between natural death and murder. There is also a reason for 1 of the lower basic commandments, “Thou shalt not kill.”

To even think or believe in a god that demands murder in the form of human sacrifice scapegoating is committing sin, according to Christ’s higher law.

[Thinker]

If u start thinking urself divine, u will be confronted with resistance just like i do here.

We’re divine but also human. YinYang.

I don’t know if the words were some which Constantine/Eusebius had changed, but scriptures explain how what pissed people off most was Jesus claiming he was god. I can see that as partly true - demigods & when in a state of oneness with God - we are as one with God. Still, I wonder if Jesus could have had more empathy with meeting people where they were. Obviously they weren’t ready to understand deeper truths. OTOH, maybe his parables helped protect at least somewhat against corrupting the words. Why was he so blunt in some cases, and others so obscure?

Your last question is a good and pivotal one. Thus I won't tell you what the answer is from my pov, but you will find out if you keep asking your god. THe answer will manifest in a way you can comprehend and take in.

viewtopic.php?p=1414962#p1414962

My fully edited comments addresses some of the issues here.

Jeshua has to obey divine rules like the right to know the truth and the right not to know the truth. So some people, like Mary, was ready to hear. Others needed to make a choice to discard their old ideas. And still others chose to maintain their egoic conception of god as being fixed in their minds. So depending on who he is talking to, he will speak differntly.

But that's just what I do online as well.

Well, I haven’t gone through scriptures with a fine-tooth-comb as Thomas Jefferson did but I know some stuff attributed to Jesus saying or doing was twisted and incorrect - but some is good and true.

[Ymarsakar]

We’re divine but also human. YinYang.

I don’t know if the words were some which Constantine/Eusebius had changed, but scriptures explain how what pissed people off most was Jesus claiming he was god. I can see that as partly true - demigods & when in a state of oneness with God - we are as one with God. Still, I wonder if Jesus could have had more empathy with meeting people where they were. Obviously they weren’t ready to understand deeper truths. OTOH, maybe his parables helped protect at least somewhat against corrupting the words. Why was he so blunt in some cases, and others so obscure?

Your last question is a good and pivotal one. Thus I won't tell you what the answer is from my pov, but you will find out if you keep asking your god. THe answer will manifest in a way you can comprehend and take in.

viewtopic.php?p=1414962#p1414962

My fully edited comments addresses some of the issues here.

Jeshua has to obey divine rules like the right to know the truth and the right not to know the truth. So some people, like Mary, was ready to hear. Others needed to make a choice to discard their old ideas. And still others chose to maintain their egoic conception of god as being fixed in their minds. So depending on who he is talking to, he will speak differntly.

But that's just what I do online as well.

Well, I haven’t gone through scriptures with a fine-tooth-comb as Thomas Jefferson did but I know some stuff attributed to Jesus saying or doing was twisted and incorrect - but some is good and true.

2000 years from now, imagine what a person would be learning about me and Vladimir if they read certain people but not everything.

[Ymarsakar]

Why would anyone think human sacrifice is godly?
God demands the killing of an innocent person to be appeased?

All people die. Innocent or Evil. And truthfully, it is God who kills each one of us, just as He made us live.

So while to may be wicked for man to take another man's life, how can it be wicked for God, since that was always His plan and He has the authority to do so?

The plan was for each incarnation to be 1000 years. This was degraded and limited due to human qabal DNA sins to around 120 years. Then further limits were put on this by babylonian money magick and their pharma poisons.

So the Almighty has a plan for how much life there is for people, but this has been interfered with or rather opposed. Satan is the opposition. It opposes.

[Thinker]

Well, I haven’t gone through scriptures with a fine-tooth-comb as Thomas Jefferson did but I know some stuff attributed to Jesus saying or doing was twisted and incorrect - but some is good and true.

2000 years from now, imagine what a person would be learning about me and Vladimir if they read certain people but not everything.

I love to read & learn - but I can’t possibly read everything!

Intelligence = “to choose between”

Still, I think I get your point about expanding our horizon in terms of perspectives we read.

[Brighidara]

And scapegoating? Shifting responsibility to make an innocent one suffer - is the epitome of evil.

Prophets acting as intercessors is throughout the OT. It is a very biblical principle. Leviticus 16, I believe, is a prophecy of the latter days.

A prophet having the sins of the people placed upon him saves his people from destruction and it affords the one making the sacrifice to learn to be more like Jesus.

viewtopic.php?t=72047

These selections are taken from 2nd and 3rd Nephi, mostly.

So far, they generally don't place the sins of the people on themselves. They warn the people and if the people ignore the warnings, bad stuff happens. That is later then called "prophecy" and the people who uttered it, prophets. Although prophets are not known by their hometowns or respected in their time. Samuel was not. Jeshua had issues as well. John definitely had issues. The apostles and disciples later, also had issues.

So it is more like satan using sins to drag people's souls down and closer to satan's own. By making people fulfill the negative portions of the warnings.

In which example has a messenger or disciple saved his people from destruction by placing their sins upon himself? Jeshua's example led to the destruction of the 2nd temple and the crucifixion of most rebels from Judea. Nor did the disciples do any better, for Rome conquered the world and put Christianity under "tax free" bondage, aka autocephalous authority.

It seems much more likely that human authors in the bible incorrectly interpreted the sequence of events to be God's Own salvation, interpolating Satan's Own psyops on top of God's plan of salvation. This mirrors what is going on in today's world, where people don't know which operation is by Satan's Own, which are CIA psy ops, and which are god's own operations. The bible authors weren't any better at figuring it out than we are.

Leviticus has been re-interpreted, interpolated, and altered by the Masoretic Jews. Scholars know for a fact that Deuteronomy 32 was altered by the Masoretes due to the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint; the masoretic text forms the basis for the translation of the Latin and King James translations.

One of the only texts to judge what ancient Hebrew beliefs were before the Babylonian Captivity and the Talmud is ironically, the Book of Mormon. A remnant was saved from Babylon. Thus when looking at Hebrews pre Talmudic corruptions, the Nephites and Lamanites serve as a very useful source. Their thinking is the more accurate and the more original, before the Masoretic scribes changed the Torah and then later the Talmud was a bunch of babylonian re interpretations.

Amen, à la Jeremiah!
How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us [and we are learned in its language and teachings]’? Behold, the truth is that the lying pen of the scribes Has made the law into a deception, a mere code of ceremonial observances.
The wise men are shamed, They are dismayed and caught, and they are made prisoners. Behold, they have manipulated and rejected the truth in the word of LORD, JEHOVAH, and what manner of wisdom do they really have!? Jer 8:8-9.