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Infilling of the Holy Spirit

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Over time, I've devoted much contemplation, prayer, and study to The Holy Spirit and spiritual rebirth. Sometimes, I've felt confident in my understanding, only to find myself questioning it months or years later.
The debate over immediate receipt of the Holy Ghost through laying on of hands versus receiving the baptism of fire before/after baptism is well-known in this forum.

Certain Christians hold Baptismal Regeneration, equating it with rebirth and Holy Ghost reception. Others, like Calvinists, view baptism as symbolic of prior spiritual renewal. I had never thought to explore 2000 years of Christian history for insight. Only once I began to study that history did I realize this debate has fueled divisions in Christianity for centuries.

Although I am not here to tell you what I think the answer is, I want to share something that I read while reading about John Calvin:
https://www.bucer.ch/fileadmin/_migrate ... spirit.pdf

The core of his thoughts are here:
"that the purpose of the Gospel is the re-stora-tion in us of the image of God which has been cancelled by sin."Just as Adam was filled with the Spirit before the fall -- so too does even fallen man now need to be filled with the same Spirit
indeed, to keep on being filled, from faith unto yet greater faith, and from glory unto yet greater glory, 'even as by the Spirit of the Lord'"
The paper discusses Joel's prophecy regarding "The Lord will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh," and Peter's declaration that this was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, Calvin offers insights as follows:

"Believers to the very end of their lives ardently desire more abundant grace.... The Holy Spirit is a constantly flowing well.... We have not drunk of the Spirit just for one day, or for any short time -- but as of a perennial fountain that will never fail us....
Those who believe, shall lack no spirit-ual blessings. “He [Jesus] calls it 'living water' whose spring never grows dry, and whose flow never ceases....
Whoever believes in Christ, will have a fountain of life springing up in himself.... Christ says that by faith, we draw in the Spirit Who is a fountain of water -- [and Who keeps on] springing up unto everlasting life... . The Holy Spirit is like a living and ever-flowing fountain [with]in
believers.... As believers advance in faith -- they continually aspire to new increases of the [Holy] Spirit..."
Something that has nagged at me me pertains to the instance when the Lord directed the Apostles to "Receive the Holy Ghost," seemingly contrasting with the apparent delay until Acts 2 when they seemingly encountered the Spirit.

Calvin suggests that these Apostles were already imbued with the Spirit long before Acts 2, with that day marking a "filling with the Spirit." Similarly, when Jesus conveyed "Receive the Holy Ghost," it signified a "strengthening" or "filling with the Spirit." It's important to clarify that this pertains not to a mere emotional warmth, but rather to complete immersion in the Spirit, a concept sometimes termed the "Baptism of fire" on this forum.

He poins out that on Easter Sunday,
Jesus then said to His already regenerated apostles: 'Receive the Holy Spirit!' John 20:22. Here, Calvin remarks that Christ "bestowed His Spirit on thea postles by breathing.... The [Holy] Spirit was given to the apostles now, in such a way that they
were...sprinkled with His grace -- and not saturated with full power.... When the Spirit [later]appeared on them, in tongues of fire -- they were entirely renewed." Hence, on Pentecost Sunday, we learn that they were then once again 'all filled with the Holy Spirit.' Acts 2:4.
The earlier linked paper encapsulates Calvin's prevailing stance and the core idea I aim to convey:
"Those further observations make it clear that Dr. Calvin strongly believed in subsequent and repeated or augmentative infillings with the Holy Spirit, during the life of Christians – and, indeed, increasingly so."
The paper underscores how Calvin references multiple New Testament instances of individuals being "filled with joy" or "filled with the spirit" to buttress this notion. While I won't delve into specifics here, I'd like to draw attention to a Book of Mormon scripture where Alma lays his hands on his companions, and they experience being filled with the spirit.
"Alma 31: 36 Now it came to pass that when Alma had said these words, that he CLAPPED his hands upon all them who were with him. And behold, as he CLAPPED his hands upon them, they were filled with the Holy Spirit."
There is more I could discuss upon regarding the content of that paper, but I'll end here. I had a spirit filled study session with this paper and I wholeheartedly recommend it.

In closing, while this doesn't definitively address the moment of a Christian's rebirth, it does present a potential explanation for these "baptism of fire experiences." They may signify subsequent, recurring, and augmented infillings of the Holy Spirit—grace upon grace, gradual accumulations, attaining greater measures of the Holy Spirit. The question remains whether these experiences are preceded by a supernatural immersion of Holy Spirit, or if a subtle "still small voice" reception of the Holy Ghost suffices (as is the mainstream LDS church position).

God bless

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It’s difficult to speak of the Spirit since it’s beyond words. But I agree with what you suggested that we kind of receive in certain measure what we’re ready for… then more… “line upon line.” And all this seems to be strongest when we humbly exercise active faith. Gospel = news/newness.

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They seem to be referring to an increase in their base frequency. 540 hawkings consciousness scale, one begins experiencing divine joy all the time in life.

Joy was rare to them if their life is filled with pain and horrors.

Things like emotions peace and other things correspond to a direct raise in the hawkings chart. Faith is also present at 300.

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sounds like Dr Hawkins tried to find a secular way to describe what Christians had known for centuries

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Nobody wrote: August 20th, 2023, 1:57 am Over time, I've devoted much contemplation, prayer, and study to The Holy Spirit and spiritual rebirth. Sometimes, I've felt confident in my understanding, only to find myself questioning it months or years later.
The debate over immediate receipt of the Holy Ghost through laying on of hands versus receiving the baptism of fire before/after baptism is well-known in this forum.

Certain Christians hold Baptismal Regeneration, equating it with rebirth and Holy Ghost reception. Others, like Calvinists, view baptism as symbolic of prior spiritual renewal. I had never thought to explore 2000 years of Christian history for insight. Only once I began to study that history did I realize this debate has fueled divisions in Christianity for centuries.

Although I am not here to tell you what I think the answer is, I want to share something that I read while reading about John Calvin:
https://www.bucer.ch/fileadmin/_migrate ... spirit.pdf

The core of his thoughts are here:
"that the purpose of the Gospel is the re-stora-tion in us of the image of God which has been cancelled by sin."Just as Adam was filled with the Spirit before the fall -- so too does even fallen man now need to be filled with the same Spirit
indeed, to keep on being filled, from faith unto yet greater faith, and from glory unto yet greater glory, 'even as by the Spirit of the Lord'"
The paper discusses Joel's prophecy regarding "The Lord will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh," and Peter's declaration that this was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, Calvin offers insights as follows:

"Believers to the very end of their lives ardently desire more abundant grace.... The Holy Spirit is a constantly flowing well.... We have not drunk of the Spirit just for one day, or for any short time -- but as of a perennial fountain that will never fail us....
Those who believe, shall lack no spirit-ual blessings. “He [Jesus] calls it 'living water' whose spring never grows dry, and whose flow never ceases....
Whoever believes in Christ, will have a fountain of life springing up in himself.... Christ says that by faith, we draw in the Spirit Who is a fountain of water -- [and Who keeps on] springing up unto everlasting life... . The Holy Spirit is like a living and ever-flowing fountain [with]in
believers.... As believers advance in faith -- they continually aspire to new increases of the [Holy] Spirit..."
Something that has nagged at me me pertains to the instance when the Lord directed the Apostles to "Receive the Holy Ghost," seemingly contrasting with the apparent delay until Acts 2 when they seemingly encountered the Spirit.

Calvin suggests that these Apostles were already imbued with the Spirit long before Acts 2, with that day marking a "filling with the Spirit." Similarly, when Jesus conveyed "Receive the Holy Ghost," it signified a "strengthening" or "filling with the Spirit." It's important to clarify that this pertains not to a mere emotional warmth, but rather to complete immersion in the Spirit, a concept sometimes termed the "Baptism of fire" on this forum.

He poins out that on Easter Sunday,
Jesus then said to His already regenerated apostles: 'Receive the Holy Spirit!' John 20:22. Here, Calvin remarks that Christ "bestowed His Spirit on thea postles by breathing.... The [Holy] Spirit was given to the apostles now, in such a way that they
were...sprinkled with His grace -- and not saturated with full power.... When the Spirit [later]appeared on them, in tongues of fire -- they were entirely renewed." Hence, on Pentecost Sunday, we learn that they were then once again 'all filled with the Holy Spirit.' Acts 2:4.
The earlier linked paper encapsulates Calvin's prevailing stance and the core idea I aim to convey:
"Those further observations make it clear that Dr. Calvin strongly believed in subsequent and repeated or augmentative infillings with the Holy Spirit, during the life of Christians – and, indeed, increasingly so."
The paper underscores how Calvin references multiple New Testament instances of individuals being "filled with joy" or "filled with the spirit" to buttress this notion. While I won't delve into specifics here, I'd like to draw attention to a Book of Mormon scripture where Alma lays his hands on his companions, and they experience being filled with the spirit.
"Alma 31: 36 Now it came to pass that when Alma had said these words, that he CLAPPED his hands upon all them who were with him. And behold, as he CLAPPED his hands upon them, they were filled with the Holy Spirit."
There is more I could discuss upon regarding the content of that paper, but I'll end here. I had a spirit filled study session with this paper and I wholeheartedly recommend it.

In closing, while this doesn't definitively address the moment of a Christian's rebirth, it does present a potential explanation for these "baptism of fire experiences." They may signify subsequent, recurring, and augmented infillings of the Holy Spirit—grace upon grace, gradual accumulations, attaining greater measures of the Holy Spirit. The question remains whether these experiences are preceded by a supernatural immersion of Holy Spirit, or if a subtle "still small voice" reception of the Holy Ghost suffices (as is the mainstream LDS church position).

God bless
Welcome! Great post

3nephi
"And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not."

Conversion+faith=BoF&HG

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