Is this how the Lord treats elderly widows?

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randyps wrote: August 21st, 2023, 3:25 am
JandD6572 wrote: August 21st, 2023, 2:03 am I think the Jesus I know from the bible, would certainly compare these bishops and SP as pharisee because this Jesus that the Mormon church teaches is not the Jesus from the bible, by all rights, in the bible, the woman taken in adultery should have been stoned, "the law" or "rules" but Jesus had mercy, something that Mormon seems to lack in this incorporated cult.
You kind of make a good point...

there is the Jesus of mormons, the Jesus of JW's, the Jesus of Catholics, the Jesus of methodists, the Jesus of protestants, the Jesus of anti-mormons....and the list goes on. Pick which one you want to follow and complain about the rest of them.
I only follow the Jesus from the Bible. Not any religion. I take the bible for what it says and teaches me. I certainly understand all religions seem to teach a different Jesus, so I affiliate with none of them. All churches seem to tell you how to live, where as Jesus showed me how to live.

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JandD6572 wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:23 am

I only follow the Jesus from the Bible. Not any religion. I take the bible for what it says and teaches me. I certainly understand all religions seem to teach a different Jesus, so I affiliate with none of them. All churches seem to tell you how to live, where as Jesus showed me how to live.
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randyps wrote: August 21st, 2023, 3:25 am
JandD6572 wrote: August 21st, 2023, 2:03 am I think the Jesus I know from the bible, would certainly compare these bishops and SP as pharisee because this Jesus that the Mormon church teaches is not the Jesus from the bible, by all rights, in the bible, the woman taken in adultery should have been stoned, "the law" or "rules" but Jesus had mercy, something that Mormon seems to lack in this incorporated cult.
You kind of make a good point...

there is the Jesus of mormons, the Jesus of JW's, the Jesus of Catholics, the Jesus of methodists, the Jesus of protestants, the Jesus of anti-mormons....and the list goes on. Pick which one you want to follow and complain about the rest of them.

When you find a man or woman whom proffesses to believe in Jesus that loves his fellow men and shows forth mercy and compassion unto all, then you have found a Christian whom truly knows and has fellowship with the living Jesus of Nazerath.
I have encountered such men and women in the midst of all the scattered tribes of Christianity.

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JandD6572 wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:23 am
randyps wrote: August 21st, 2023, 3:25 am
JandD6572 wrote: August 21st, 2023, 2:03 am I think the Jesus I know from the bible, would certainly compare these bishops and SP as pharisee because this Jesus that the Mormon church teaches is not the Jesus from the bible, by all rights, in the bible, the woman taken in adultery should have been stoned, "the law" or "rules" but Jesus had mercy, something that Mormon seems to lack in this incorporated cult.
You kind of make a good point...

there is the Jesus of mormons, the Jesus of JW's, the Jesus of Catholics, the Jesus of methodists, the Jesus of protestants, the Jesus of anti-mormons....and the list goes on. Pick which one you want to follow and complain about the rest of them.
I only follow the Jesus from the Bible. Not any religion. I take the bible for what it says and teaches me. I certainly understand all religions seem to teach a different Jesus, so I affiliate with none of them. All churches seem to tell you how to live, where as Jesus showed me how to live.
The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.

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^^^ haha, do you really think those comparisons are close?

I want your car.
I want your money.
I want to worship how I want.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:21 pm
JandD6572 wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:23 am
randyps wrote: August 21st, 2023, 3:25 am
You kind of make a good point...

there is the Jesus of mormons, the Jesus of JW's, the Jesus of Catholics, the Jesus of methodists, the Jesus of protestants, the Jesus of anti-mormons....and the list goes on. Pick which one you want to follow and complain about the rest of them.
I only follow the Jesus from the Bible. Not any religion. I take the bible for what it says and teaches me. I certainly understand all religions seem to teach a different Jesus, so I affiliate with none of them. All churches seem to tell you how to live, where as Jesus showed me how to live.
The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.

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blitzinstripes wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:28 pm
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:21 pm
JandD6572 wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:23 am

I only follow the Jesus from the Bible. Not any religion. I take the bible for what it says and teaches me. I certainly understand all religions seem to teach a different Jesus, so I affiliate with none of them. All churches seem to tell you how to live, where as Jesus showed me how to live.
The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.
In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

There are ways this lady can get her way to attend a different ward without breaking the rule, some of which are mentioned in this thread, but the purpose of this thread is not about the old lady its about smearing the church, just like every other thread in this forum.

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:28 pm
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:21 pm

The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.
In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

There are ways this lady can get her way to attend a different ward without breaking the rule, some of which are mentioned in this thread, but the purpose of this thread is not about the old lady its about smearing the church, just like every other thread in this forum.

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.
if talking bad against the so-called only true church on earth, is offensive to you, you're certainly in the wrong forum.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:28 pm
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:21 pm

The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.
In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

There are ways this lady can get her way to attend a different ward without breaking the rule, some of which are mentioned in this thread, but the purpose of this thread is not about the old lady its about smearing the church, just like every other thread in this forum.

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.
Can you cite the revelation dictating that members must attend a particular ward based on geographical boundaries?

Is this an arbitrary rule of the corporation, or a commandment of Almighty God?

Kinda sounds like you worship the letters of laws, like a Pharisee. If you believe in mistreating little widow ladies, I think you've missed the point of ALL of God's laws, amigo.

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JohnnyL wrote: August 20th, 2023, 5:34 pm Never heard of anyone doing so or even asking much beyond the actual tithing temple recommend question. You paid out SS, when you get back what you paid out and then get more, then it's actual income.
Tithing is not on income; it is on interest.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
Randy, I think the reason God wanted you back into full activity in the church is so that God could show you how wrong it is.

You're placing trust in the brethren far ahead of trust in the scriptures. It should be reversed.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.
Once again, equating the handbook with God is a Jedi mind trick that doesn't work in this realm. Save it for Sunday School.

I think the HOA comparison is apt. HOAs are mostly stupid, but I don't really feel sorry for anyone that is subject to one. You knew what you're getting into, and you're reaping the benefits. Surprise, they come at a cost.

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captainfearnot wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 11:44 am Once again, equating the handbook with God is a Jedi mind trick that doesn't work in this realm. Save it for Sunday School.

I think the HOA comparison is apt. HOAs are mostly stupid, but I don't really feel sorry for anyone that is subject to one. You knew what you're getting into, and you're reaping the benefits. Surprise, they come at a cost.
You can only warn people about crappy HOAs until it forecloses on their home and they are crying why didn't someone warn me. Sometimes they don't learn until they learn.

So I say full speed ahead captain, the faster the better. Pay all your tithes, offerings, ward donations, temple funds, book of mormon, humanitarian, ward missionaries, PEF - it goes to the same place anyways. Then when disaster hits they can donate it to the Red Cross or the UN to help you out.

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randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:28 pm
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 4:21 pm

The new age faith...just be a nice person....like Jesus.

Can i take your car to work tomorrow? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Im short $200 on my rent can you you help me out? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Can my mother come to my ward instead of the ward that she lives in? no? well you aint a very nice person.
Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.
In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

There are ways this lady can get her way to attend a different ward without breaking the rule, some of which are mentioned in this thread, but the purpose of this thread is not about the old lady its about smearing the church, just like every other thread in this forum.

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.
"rules are rules"

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TwochurchesOnly wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 1:45 pm "rules are rules"
no refunds are no refunds

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Shawn Henry wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:44 am
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
Randy, I think the reason God wanted you back into full activity in the church is so that God could show you how wrong it is.

You're placing trust in the brethren far ahead of trust in the scriptures. It should be reversed.
If the men who wrote the scriptures were alive today we would be calling them bretheren.

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randyps wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 8:32 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:44 am
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
Randy, I think the reason God wanted you back into full activity in the church is so that God could show you how wrong it is.

You're placing trust in the brethren far ahead of trust in the scriptures. It should be reversed.
If the men who wrote the scriptures were alive today we would be calling them bretheren.
Why waste time with namby-pamby titles? We would be calling them true apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And they would be handing us volumes of scripture and working mighty miracles like we saw in the New Testament and they would not have any need of money except sufficient for their needs again like we see in scripture. Until such time, we have brethren.

Speaking of which, the TPS reports came back and you didn't fill out your last tithing form correctly.

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TwochurchesOnly wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 1:45 pm
randyps wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 9:57 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: August 22nd, 2023, 6:28 pm

Have you heard of the two great commandments? Maybe not? It's mostly a Christian concept, so.....

On these hang all the law and the prophets.

Hmmm. Or maybe we grasp at straws like the Pharisees and use our priesthood like a power trip. Unrighteous dominion? Authoritarian control over compassion and mercy? Which outcome has the greatest spiritual benefit? Enforcing a trivial policy, or showing compassion to a widow and support for a family? Do you seriously believe that ward boundaries are of greater importance to the Lord than a widow and a family worshipping happily together?

I'm reminded of the Lord's question to the Pharisees. Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Was the Sabbath created for man, or man for the Sabbath?

Being mindful that ward boundaries/ assigned attendance isn't even a commandment. It's a mundane policy at best.

You seem like the president of a HOA, measuring old ladies' lawns trying to find the violators of the three inch rule.
In Gods celestial kingdom will there be violators of his rules?
is it the violators fault or is it Gods fault for making the rules?

There are ways this lady can get her way to attend a different ward without breaking the rule, some of which are mentioned in this thread, but the purpose of this thread is not about the old lady its about smearing the church, just like every other thread in this forum.

Gods house is a house of order, rules are rules.
"rules are rules"
In God’s house there is only one rule - that is LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART

Christ extended it to two rules by adding - LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

LDS/Jews added the church handbook and that brought the rule count to 613

The Essenes taught that the further you get away from God the more rules you have.
So “rules are rules” takes you away from God.

The elderly widows only need and want LOVE and it’s an embarrassment to belong to a church that professes it’s the “one and only true church” that focuses on rules and not love.

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Good & Global wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:08 pm
randyps wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 8:32 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:44 am
Randy, I think the reason God wanted you back into full activity in the church is so that God could show you how wrong it is.

You're placing trust in the brethren far ahead of trust in the scriptures. It should be reversed.
If the men who wrote the scriptures were alive today we would be calling them bretheren.
Why waste time with namby-pamby titles? We would be calling them true apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And they would be handing us volumes of scripture and working mighty miracles like we saw in the New Testament and they would not have any need of money except sufficient for their needs again like we see in scripture. Until such time, we have brethren.

Speaking of which, the TPS reports came back and you didn't fill out your last tithing form correctly.
Is that why 100% of every person that heard the ancient apostles teachings followed them because they were true apostles? pffft, more like 0.5% followed them because the same way you think of RMN is what the ancients thought of Peter, James, Paul etc... so they killed them, just like how you wish ill upon our Modern LDS apostles.

Same s**t just a different day by the betas of religion.

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Global's slide slipping down includes mormons in general now, not just apostles red or not.

Once a victim gets a taste of what it is like punching down on people online, the addiction to power grows and they start looking for more exciting targets.

That's not a beta male. The beta in a pack is the vice or lieutenant.

A victim would be closer to the bottom of the totem pole.

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randyps wrote: August 24th, 2023, 1:11 am
Good & Global wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:08 pm
randyps wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 8:32 pm
If the men who wrote the scriptures were alive today we would be calling them bretheren.
Why waste time with namby-pamby titles? We would be calling them true apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And they would be handing us volumes of scripture and working mighty miracles like we saw in the New Testament and they would not have any need of money except sufficient for their needs again like we see in scripture. Until such time, we have brethren.

Speaking of which, the TPS reports came back and you didn't fill out your last tithing form correctly.
Is that why 100% of every person that heard the ancient apostles teachings followed them because they were true apostles? pffft, more like 0.5% followed them because the same way you think of RMN is what the ancients thought of Peter, James, Paul etc... so they killed them, just like how you wish ill upon our Modern LDS apostles.

Same s**t just a different day by the betas of religion.
The only problem with your scenario is that those ancient apostles actually preached Christ Jesus and healed the lame, sick and diseased in his name. And our modern day LDS apostles look to man and big pharma for their healings (global leaders and the godsend) They even made the call to not heal in the name of Jesus.

There is a big difference - so instead of comparing the modern LDS apostles with the followers of Christ, iMO, all of us would be closer to the truth if we compared them with the Pharisees. You know, the group that was always looking to the law (handbook of instructions), fine apparel (white shirts and suits), the chief seats and the accolades in the marketplace ( or on Facebook)

There is no wishing ill on the modern day apostles, the only wishing going on is wishing they wouldn’t be so d@#N anxious leading us into FEMA camps and death shots.

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Lineman1012 wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:36 pm
In God’s house there is only one rule - that is LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART

Christ extended it to two rules by adding - LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

LDS/Jews added the church handbook and that brought the rule count to 613

The Essenes taught that the further you get away from God the more rules you have.
So “rules are rules” takes you away from God.

The elderly widows only need and want LOVE and it’s an embarrassment to belong to a church that professes it’s the “one and only true church” that focuses on rules and not love.
Wow. Great summation.

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HereWeGo wrote: August 24th, 2023, 8:37 am
Lineman1012 wrote: August 23rd, 2023, 10:36 pm
In God’s house there is only one rule - that is LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART

Christ extended it to two rules by adding - LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

LDS/Jews added the church handbook and that brought the rule count to 613

The Essenes taught that the further you get away from God the more rules you have.
So “rules are rules” takes you away from God.

The elderly widows only need and want LOVE and it’s an embarrassment to belong to a church that professes it’s the “one and only true church” that focuses on rules and not love.
Wow. Great summation.
I agree with this about church and it also applies to government.

We keep making more laws that tell the people the prior laws were not worth as much. And the new laws keep getting disobeyed. This is pretty much how our country has fallen as well is not respecting the original laws and creating new ones that weaken the entire structure until it all topples over.

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