Is this how the Lord treats elderly widows?

[JohnnyL]

Now think of all those older members living on social security giving 10 percent to have the money go into the stock market....

She shouldn't have to pay tithing on SS until what she put in is all used up.

Until a Bishop gets on his high horse and denies a recommend over it.

Never heard of anyone doing so or even asking much beyond the actual tithing temple recommend question. You paid out SS, when you get back what you paid out and then get more, then it's actual income.

[Pazooka]

Wow you guys sure like jumping to conclusions. Of course she sees her family through the week. She also is in good health and desires to live independent and not impose any burdens on them. But likewise, she DOES desire to worship with her family on Sundays and attend with her lifelong friends. The only Ward she has ever attended in her life, up until now. And if she attends her former ward, it has to be agreed upon by both Bishops and the SP, apparently and one of the Bishops (the new ward) doesn't like it and the SP refuses to pull rank on him. She was told that all she can do is write a letter to the FP, deliver it to her stake president who will review the letter with both Bishops and together THEY will decide IF the letter should be sent to Salt Lake.

I understand what you’re saying but isn’t this is a construct of a dysfunctional society? The older generation living “independently” and not wanting to “burden” their children?

Doesn’t the Law of Israel teach regarding the duty of children toward parents, especially widows? Doesn’t Jesus? Western society views this woman’s living alone as a desirable thing, but is it really?

IMO everything else is moot. Step1: Live God’s law in relation to the family

Edit to clarify my initial post on this thread: If you really want to know how the LORD would have us treat elderly widows…it has already been written. Are we Romans or are we Israelites?

She is quite happy to live independently. This post was not about some deeper meaning or Israelitish customs vs the modern family.

It is literally that an elderly widow is losing her temple recommend because she wishes to attend church with her family.

If you wish to discuss other things, please start another thread.

Lol - I literally addressed the title of the thread

#GentileProblems

[Erastothenes]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

[Erastothenes]

People give these leaders too much power. Do you still hold onto the antiquated lie that these "annointed," bankers, doctors, lawyers and MBAs will actually be your judges in the next life? Let me tell you. They wont. Not even JS or RMN will judge you. There is only one judge.

[karend77]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

The membership clerk usually stands in the back, or by a side door, and scans the congregation and takes roll. Some sit up on the stand to the far left. Depends on the ward

[Erastothenes]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

The membership clerk usually stands in the back, or by a side door, and scans the congregation and takes roll. Some sit up on the stand to the far left. Depends on the ward

All they do is count the total number. They dont account for each member present.

[HereWeGo]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

The membership clerk usually stands in the back, or by a side door, and scans the congregation and takes roll. Some sit up on the stand to the far left. Depends on the ward

Sorry but he doesn't take roll--he only does a head count.

[WikiUp]

My church records and recommend are in Wyoming, mostly for financial planning, tax reasons.and property ownership. I live most of the time with my wife in Utah. Not an issue.

I have spoken in Utah sacrament meeting, offered prayers, etc at the invitation of Utah bishops. In F&T meetings I have stated where my membership records are and are not. I pay my $ in Wyoming. I have served two Utah service missions by getting paperwork through the WY Bishops and Stake President. I have served as a Self Reliance course instructor in Utah. The wife gets hers through her Utah Ward/Stake.

One Utah Stake President said he could not give me a calling because my records were not in "his" stake computer system.. I told him the church functioned for over 125 years before computerized records. No response but a head nod and smile.

Ward boundaries are all about the population unit numbers (so many of each type person to compose a Ward/Stake). and funds control. The "Church" cannot control budgets otherwise. Wards and Stakes are essentially revenue (income) and cost (expense) control centers for headquarters accounting.

Just do what is best for yourself. It works out.

[spiritMan]

She shouldn't have to pay tithing on SS until what she put in is all used up.

Until a Bishop gets on his high horse and denies a recommend over it.

Never heard of anyone doing so or even asking much beyond the actual tithing temple recommend question. You paid out SS, when you get back what you paid out and then get more, then it's actual income.

I have personally talked to an older lady who this has happened to. She is in her 80s.

[Good & Global]

You guys are missing the point. Will you do whatever it takes to follow Jesus?
Apparently this "Sweet old lady" will not.

My only question is when do we finally get to stone her?

The New Testament is replete with Jesus forbidding people to come unto him outside of their ward boundaries.

I just don't even understand how someone - who could be alone socially after the passing of spouse, family, friends, maybe in fragile health like all of us get when older, feeling the gravity of having lived a long time, maybe even dealing with the onset of memory issues - think that they are so special to want to be around those she knows in their ward instead of her geographically assigned parameters? Those boundaries are set by God doesn't she know that? As sure as the sun rises they are. Unless of course a few priesthood holders move out and then God has to change those boundaries again.

Oh I hear ya brother. What a heretic! She needs to be called out.

[Good & Global]

There are people that will be blessed to have this woman in their ward, the new ward boundary that she has moved into. In return she will be blessed.
It is selfish of the old ward friends and her family to not let her be a vessel of God to help others in her new ward.

Cry babys every where, bunch of laman and lemualites...Where are the Nephis on this forum!

Are you truly likening ward boundaries to the Lord commanding a family to leave Jerusalem? That's quite a stretch.

It all makes sense. In earlier assignments I was to ensure the ward library had supplies it needed but it was always running out of Triple Combination scriptures.

I now understand that these had been taken by modern day Lehi's leaving the ward boundaries to attend the ward they were assigned and had taken these records to preserve the commandments of the Jews.

[JandD6572]

I think the Jesus I know from the bible, would certainly compare these bishops and SP as pharisee because this Jesus that the Mormon church teaches is not the Jesus from the bible, by all rights, in the bible, the woman taken in adultery should have been stoned, "the law" or "rules" but Jesus had mercy, something that Mormon seems to lack in this incorporated cult.

[randyps]

I think the Jesus I know from the bible, would certainly compare these bishops and SP as pharisee because this Jesus that the Mormon church teaches is not the Jesus from the bible, by all rights, in the bible, the woman taken in adultery should have been stoned, "the law" or "rules" but Jesus had mercy, something that Mormon seems to lack in this incorporated cult.

You kind of make a good point...

there is the Jesus of mormons, the Jesus of JW's, the Jesus of Catholics, the Jesus of methodists, the Jesus of protestants, the Jesus of anti-mormons....and the list goes on. Pick which one you want to follow and complain about the rest of them.

[WikiUp]

Have the Grandmother list her address as the Daughters address.

Problem solved.

I did that for a young man taking missionary lessons and dating one of my ward members. The ward and missionaries did not want to teach him because he was living in a different Stake. He had a relative living in our Ward. Problem solved: He listed his address with the relative, was taught, baptized and married the girl but years later divorced her.

[Good & Global]

Have the Grandmother list her address as the Daughters address.

Problem solved.

I did that for a young man taking missionary lessons and dating one of my ward members. The ward and missionaries did not want to teach him because he was living in a different Stake. He had a relative living in our Ward. Problem solved: He listed his address with the relative, was taught, baptized and married the girl but years later divorced her.

This is the only way with these micromanaging cretins.
Like I said they know no boundaries other than ward boundaries.

They are living their checklist gospel by what appears in their database. If the system says you should be there you should, if it doesn't (per zealots) you are not following the Lord. What these morons, sorry mormons, don't realize is that everybody is in the same ward. God created the whole earth. You think he cares if your zip code is in Cleveland?

Many people live at different places either for work, caretaking of others, etc throughout the year. There are also tax implications of what state your records reside in as it can constitute residency. This is myopic mormonism being practiced that thinks because their life operates one way that a one size fits all solution that mirrors that will work for everybody. This is where they naively think they speak for God and why a man made religion shows itself including why it is so bad.

[Ymarsakar]

Cretins huh. Interesting slide there global. Slip sliding down

[Dusty Wanderer]

The letter killeth

Succinct, yet on point.

[Momma J]

I chose whichever ward works best for our travels and time restraints. I have been asked if I would like my records sent to ward 1, 2, 3, or 4... I just tell them that they can send them from ward to ward on a weekly basis... or let them rest where they are. God know how to find me.

[Mindfields]

"After fifty-five years of dedicating his life and work to the story of ethical systems, Sol Weintraub had come to a single, unshakable conclusion: any allegiance to a deity or concept or universal principle which put obedience above decent behavior toward an innocent human being was evil."

[Good & Global]

I did that for a young man taking missionary lessons and dating one of my ward members. The ward and missionaries did not want to teach him because he was living in a different Stake. He had a relative living in our Ward. Problem solved: He listed his address with the relative, was taught, baptized and married the girl but years later divorced her.

Did you turn over his correct address after they divorced so they would know where they needed to send child support papers? Sorry needed closure on this anectdote.

[HereWeGo]

Have the Grandmother list her address as the Daughters address.

Problem solved.

Same happened in our ward. A longtime member and her husband moved out of the ward. They then divorced and she wanted to attend church with her long time ward where she was loved. She got permission from a good friend friend in the ward and had her church records address changed to her friends address. Her records were transferred and the Bishop introduced her as a returning member of the ward.

[Good & Global]

Have the Grandmother list her address as the Daughters address.

Problem solved.

Same happened in our ward. A longtime member and her husband moved out of the ward. They then divorced and she wanted to attend church with her long time ward where she was loved. She got permission from a good friend friend in the ward and had her church records address changed to her friends address. Her records were transferred and the Bishop introduced her as a returning member of the ward.

Since the church is so arbitrary in their condemnation there has to be a loophole for sinners to get into heaven.

Like if they had some sort of binding pre judgement day agreement that once you entered it then if you sinned after that you wouldn't lose your exaltation. I suppose the only people that would appeal to is rich people or friends of friends who thought someone might need that.

Clearly it would have to work by referral only. I mean you couldn't have all the little people doing it too! God would be royally ticked off and it would set the plan of salvation at naught if the little people could do it.

Ha! As if!

[Fred]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

The membership clerk usually stands in the back, or by a side door, and scans the congregation and takes roll. Some sit up on the stand to the far left. Depends on the ward

Not roll. Numbers only.

I see it already got mentioned. Twice won't hurt.

[p8riot]

Why doesn't she just change her address in the church system to her daughter's address?

[Good & Global]

Just do what my mom does. Dont go to church. Shes says shes too old to go. She still has a recommend. I have never seen the church take role in sacrament meeting.

The membership clerk usually stands in the back, or by a side door, and scans the congregation and takes roll. Some sit up on the stand to the far left. Depends on the ward

Not roll. Numbers only.

I see it already got mentioned. Twice won't hurt.

Not numbers, fabricated figures to ensure SLC doesnt take the rest of ward budget away.

Haven't we seen missionaries report made up discussions, contacts, etc in fact you were penalized when you told the truth.