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Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 6:36 am
by Reluctant Watchman
The process for an adult to remove their records seems pretty straight forward. But what about a child? Do they need a parent signature on their request along with their own?
Or, can a family write a single letter requesting that all of their records be removed and include all signatures and pertinent data (e.g. member #s, etc)?
Asking for a friend.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 6:42 am
by Ymarsakar
I will expedite the process for your members, if needed.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 6:54 am
by Niemand
Yes, I think they need a parental signature. Possibly both.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 8:45 am
by Reluctant Watchman
I guess I could ask my Bishop. That would be a fun conversation.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 12:51 pm
by creator
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 6:36 amThe process for an adult to remove their records seems pretty straight forward. But what about a child?
Here you go:
https://quitmormon.com/minor-children
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 1:15 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
So basically, if both parents wanted to remove the records for their family, both of them would sign the document w/ the pertinent member details for them and their children, no children signatures needed.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
by Seed Starter
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 1:33 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
At first I thought about chatting w/ my bishop and handing him my letters, until I realized that he’s just a middleman. Not even the stake president needs to see the letter. They’ll obviously be apprised of the removals, but not until they are completed.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
by Mamabear
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
At first I thought about chatting w/ my bishop and handing him my letters, until I realized that he’s just a middleman. Not even the stake president needs to see the letter. They’ll obviously be apprised of the removals, but not until they are completed.
Funny. I had a problem resigning a few months ago. I emailed my resignation letter to the bishop in March and he said he’s take care of it. He and the SP sat on it for 3 months. I reached out directly to SLC and they said they hadn’t received anything. I was really upset.
I wonder if it’s quicker just to forward a notarized letter directly to Headquarters.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 2:02 pm
by Seed Starter
Mamabear wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
At first I thought about chatting w/ my bishop and handing him my letters, until I realized that he’s just a middleman. Not even the stake president needs to see the letter. They’ll obviously be apprised of the removals, but not until they are completed.
Funny. I had a problem resigning a few months ago. I emailed my resignation letter to the bishop in March and he said he’s take care of it. He and the SP sat on it for 3 months. I reached out directly to SLC and they said they hadn’t received anything. I was really upset.
I wonder if it’s quicker just to forward a notarized letter directly to Headquarters.
HQ will probably send to KM anyway. I would guess KM probably has offices in HQ but I wonder if quitmormon is better since the church probably gets tons from that website and I would guess they have a streamlined system to deal with bunches of those each month. Those batches may get more attention than the various requests sent in by individual bishops. Since QM ensures all info is complete I'll bet they're easier to handle than ward level stuff.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 2:14 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
Mamabear wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
I wonder if it’s quicker just to forward a notarized letter directly to Headquarters.
In case anyone is curious.
Member Records Division, LDS Church
50 E North Temple, Room 1372
SLC, UT 84150-5310
I filled out the Quitmormon form just to see what information it included. Some of the verbiage was good, some I didn't agree with, so I made my own hybrid version.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 2:14 pm
by creator
Mamabear wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
Funny. I had a problem resigning a few months ago. I emailed my resignation letter to the bishop in March and he said he’s take care of it. He and the SP sat on it for 3 months....
That type of scenario is why they created
https://quitmormon.com
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 3:41 pm
by Mamabear
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 2:14 pm
Mamabear wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
I wonder if it’s quicker just to forward a notarized letter directly to Headquarters.
In case anyone is curious.
Member Records Division, LDS Church
50 E North Temple, Room 1372
SLC, UT 84150-5310
I filled out the Quitmormon form just to see what information it included. Some of the verbiage was good, some I didn't agree with, so I made my own hybrid version.
I raised a lil hell. Lol. It’s a done deal now but if I had to do it over I would do quitmormon for sure.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 4:33 pm
by Good & Global
Thought they had a number you could call in 1-800-FOR-EXMO
It used to be 1-800-STOP-GAS(light) but they ran into trouble with Questar
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 4:35 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
The other path would be to send my website/essays to all members of the stake presidency and high council. That would surely move things along.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 4:38 pm
by Good & Global
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 4:35 pm
The other path would be to send my website/essays to all members of the stake presidency and high council. That would surely move things along.
Either that or submitting a question in advance to an Elder Bednar fireside as dictated by the spirit.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 5:33 pm
by Silver Pie
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
When I resigned, I used this man. KM wasn't involved at the time. I think they got involved because so many people were resigning that the Church wanted to make it more difficult, or maybe they didn't really believe that such large numbers really wanted to resign. I also heard the idea that maybe some people were resigning others, but don't know if that ever actually happened.
You can still go through your bishop (or send an email to headquarters, I think), but some prefer not to. I preferred not to.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 5:40 pm
by Silver Pie
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 4:35 pm
The other path would be to send my website/essays to all members of the stake presidency and high council. That would surely move things along.
I had the option to add anything I wanted, so I told them what I thought about Denver Snuffer. I figured that would prevent any foot-dragging.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 5:58 pm
by Niemand
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
To be fair to the church here, there are two other considerations:
* Mistaken identity, where the wrong person's records are removed, maybe because of shared names etc.
* Malicious tampering, e.g. where someone's records are removed because of another party i.e. a stalker, or whatever, writing false letters to get them removed etc.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 15th, 2023, 6:15 pm
by Serragon
Mamabear wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:56 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Seed Starter wrote: ↑August 15th, 2023, 1:23 pm
I thought this was interesting:
"Is my personal information shared with anyone?
Your personal information is only used to process your resignation. The information on your resignation form will be shared with
Kirton McConkie, the church's law firm, who needs this information in order to locate your records and confirm that they have identified the correct person."
I just never thought that contact with a law firm would be needed to formally remove records. I guess if you asked your bishop the bishop would notify KM and this just skips the bishop.
At first I thought about chatting w/ my bishop and handing him my letters, until I realized that he’s just a middleman. Not even the stake president needs to see the letter. They’ll obviously be apprised of the removals, but not until they are completed.
Funny. I had a problem resigning a few months ago. I emailed my resignation letter to the bishop in March and he said he’s take care of it. He and the SP sat on it for 3 months. I reached out directly to SLC and they said they hadn’t received anything. I was really upset.
I wonder if it’s quicker just to forward a notarized letter directly to Headquarters.
It is usually the SP that is the delay. They get a lot of pressure from above to not process these requests and let them sit.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 23rd, 2023, 9:41 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
Here’s a very pertinent piece of information. If you are going to remove your records, you need to have the letter notarized. The church office will not accept it otherwise.
Also, you do not need the membership #s for your kids, and probably not even for yourself, but I think it helps for the parents to have it so that there is no mistaking who you are. And that piece of info is readily available on LDS tools.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: August 23rd, 2023, 10:00 pm
by Good & Global
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2023, 9:41 pm
Here’s a very pertinent piece of information. If you are going to remove your records, you need to have the letter notarized. The church office will not accept it otherwise.
Also, you do not need the membership #s for your kids, and probably not even for yourself, but I think it helps for the parents to have it so that there is no mistaking who you are. And that piece of info is readily available on LDS tools.
I would include it with your notarized letter of acceptance into the church.
As well as your medallion signature guaranteed certificate of baptism. So there can be absolutely no confusion.
Of course you could always check to see if they have any convert retention bonus offers. This is a church right?
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: September 15th, 2023, 9:55 am
by Reluctant Watchman
Cmd + print =
We are excited about the journey ahead of us.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 4:26 am
by Niemand
I know of a case where a couple hd their records removed without their consent or a church court.
They had said that they wished "no contact" some years ago and some bishop had their records deleted. Now they've become semi-active again and they're off the books.
Re: Question about record removal
Posted: September 16th, 2023, 4:29 am
by Ymarsakar
Pretty sure the bishop had their consent. THe only way not to be contacted, that was the method bishop used.