Video - Spiritual Knowledge Comes Directly From God

[Seed Starter]

Who let Elder Oaks let this cat out of the bag? If what he says is true, and I think it is, then why are we taught from a young age to hang our testimony largely on the utterances of these men in particular? In the scripture below Jesus is literally praising Simon for not relying on men for truth. If I follow the logic Oaks is laying down then I am to hunt for meat from the source not wait for milk from the milk man. I still get emails from EQ telling me to study up on a conference talk before Sunday to get the latest modern scripture message. Are these men simply cheer leaders for Jesus or are they more capable of hearing truth directly from God than we are? I feel like there is an implicit and explicit message communicated in the church that these men have something that we can't have by virtue of the keys we're told they hold or they are somehow extra-ordinary spiritually inclined or somehow the most valiant among us.

Apparently we need them to learn how to get to heaven or to know what we should do here. Some even think we get extra celestial points for following no matter what (endure to the end) or (God will fix everything if these men do wrong so don't worry or do anything). This feels a lot like a young person living off their parent's testimony. If we rely on their spiritual weight lifting workouts to make us stronger that seems really silly. Shouldn't the primary song say follow the Spirit instead of follow the prophet?

A few scriptures from the video:
Matthew 16:17
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

1 Corinthians 2:11
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Then Oaks says:
"One of the greatest things about our Heavenly Father's plan for His children is that each of us can know the truth of that plan for ourselves. That revealed knowledge does not come from books, from scientific proof, or from intellectual pondering."

He's literally telling us that revealed knowledge won't come from a man and that has to include him. I wonder why I was still watching As a child I remember thinking these men were key (just a baby step below Christ) to getting back to God. There is much to learn from men in scripture and even some of the Q15 but the idea that anyone rely on them exclusively is crazy but quite common. My parents certainly place these men on a pedestal. My Dad keeps sending me talks from these men to boost my faith in the gospel. If I have a trust issues with these men how would sending me videos of them speaking restore my trust? I don't get how that circular logic works

He has also sent me very old conference talks which he knows resonate more with me so he is smart to do that. But sending in RMN to restore my trust in RMN is just silly. I've never heard a great answer from him (my Dad) about where the voice of ETB has gone in the church. I know my Dad is just trying to help. For my Dad's age and position in the church he seems a little bit spiritually immature in some ways. I find that fascinating because he's a very smart, wise, faithful, kind, and accomplished man. I'm sure he would say I'm a little immature spiritually LOL

What do you think about Oaks talk?

[Ymarsakar]

" then why are we taught from a young age to hang our testimony largely on the utterances of these men in particular?"

Same reason why the nephites and lamanites killed themselves. Bad traditions.

In the Gospel, good and evil walk side by side just as Cain and Able did.

"If I follow the logic Oaks is laying down then I am to hunt for meat from the source not wait for milk from the milk man."

What you are noticing is that there is no such thing as objective reality. Your reality is based on upon solely your heart frequency. When you were ready only for milk, that's all you saw. It wouldn't have mattered if LDS was here or not.

When you are ready for meat, you are now givenm eat. See how that works? Your heart frequency determines your reality.

Nelson also talked about personal revelation, in fact right before 2020 even. He went into great detail on how to get personal revelation. None of it had anything to do with listening to lds red seats.

This is why Jeshua said that if you had spiritual eyes and ears, you would hear. Otherwise, no.

[Good & Global]

Who let Elder Oaks let this cat out of the bag? If what he says is true, and I think it is, then why are we taught from a young age to hang our testimony largely on the utterances of these men in particular? In the scripture below Jesus is literally praising Simon for not relying on men for truth. If I follow the logic Oaks is laying down then I am to hunt for meat from the source not wait for milk from the milk man. I still get emails from EQ telling me to study up on a conference talk before Sunday to get the latest modern scripture message. Are these men simply cheer leaders for Jesus or are they more capable of hearing truth directly from God than we are? I feel like there is an implicit and explicit message communicated in the church that these men have something that we can't have by virtue of the keys we're told they hold or they are somehow extra-ordinary spiritually inclined or somehow the most valiant among us.

Matthew 16:17
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

1 Corinthians 2:11
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Then Oaks says:
"One of the greatest things about our Heavenly Father's plan for His children is that each of us can know the truth of that plan for ourselves. That revealed knowledge does not come from books, from scientific proof, or from intellectual pondering."

He's literally telling us that revealed knowledge won't come from a man and that has to include him.

He has also sent me very old conference talks which he knows resonate more with me so he is smart to do that. But sending in RMN to restore my trust in RMN is just silly.

What do you think about Oaks talk?

I think for the most part everything that he says is truth in this video so far as it read to us off of the teleprompters correctly. The issue becomes is the whole premise he teaches us after hooking us with truth really true? Just because a man says the words of truth does not necesarily mean truth is within him. See hollywood, politicians, televangelists, etc.

As we can observe with scientific and social/relational knowledge and even the spiritual - Actions and events follow the original phenomena. If it is hot outside, we notice after this idea evidence such as the cheap watch we bought melting on our wrist and our body feeling hot. If we love our spouse, our actions follow to try to make their life special, more comfortable or enjoyable. This love or respect even translates into allowing oneself to be accountable to our spouse.

Now contrast this with the current Q15 setup, they do not have actions or events that follow the things they claim and they are not accountable for their words or dealings to their members. So by this we can know they not only do not respect the members but it is doubtful they really even love them as well. Do we have proof other than their words? Politicians like Clinton were always telling us how much they loved us. It is what politicians do. Trump no different.

They are simply repeating words which sound good to normal caring people to convince us that they are the same as us but somehow have this great gift. Yet there is never ANY evidence of any of this. This is what we call gaslighting. As people could hang on their entire lives and their grandchildren's lives still waiting for the miracles or evidence of what the apostles are claiming. It has not come yet, not even in 180 years. How long is enough to wait for?

If I am wrong, correct me. Literally, tell me how this is wrong. Teach me the truth, not the myth of men, but truth. We confuse KNOWING in the church with a belief or conviction such as these men are prophets. Did God open the heavens and tell us himself? No we were told by the people in the church who had once heard it from ... all this telephone talk when supposedly God can reveal it us instantaneously if it was needed. We rely mostly on folklore, rumor and confirmation bias to assure ourselves that these fabrications of faith are true. So former conference talks contained more truth in them instead of RMN relativity that we have now, this is because like our society truth is being sucked out and replaced by falsehoods. The fact that the brethren do not see it and are following on the exact path that society is IS YOUR EVIDENCE.

This is often called a famine in the land not for food but hearing the word of the Lord. There is also a famine in the church. We are saturated with conference talks, literally an all you can eat buffet of RMNs words, but yet people are still starved. They are being fed relativity.

If these men actually had this gift, it would follow them. As we read in the New Testament, signs and wonders even miracles followed the believers of Christ. They have shut down all examination of evidence with several doctrines that have been twisted so as to make them perpetually in charge to reign like monarchs and to make all concerns about their legitimacy disappear. This in my mind is what is really happening.