Deviations From The Original Truths - Part 2

[CaptainM]

Feeling a need to defend the original truth of September 22, 1827 - April 5, 1829, I will be stating herein some discussion points in piecemeal fashion. Rather than present all 30 plus at once, this will give anyone interested opportunity to absorb and research the ideas and comments if interested. These points are mainly from a gentleman named Richard Bauman taken from his YouTube series entitled "What Happened To The Church". (See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrywgxUo ... 1hbg%3D%3D)

Like most documentaries I add that the views of the author do not necessarily represent my views. However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship.

Many of the Book of Mormon references are given as the RLDS version.

I quote:

...the following documented statements should bring the reader to the realization that ... Joseph Smith indeed "yielded to the persuasions of men". Consequently in just a very short time, the truths of the unchangeable God became so obscured that those whose job it was to bring forth and establish the truth became the enemy by concealing the truth!

5. April 6, 1830 Joseph receives a "revelation" that he is the "seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle.." and the mouthpiece of God for the church that was organized and established April 6, 1830.(Note: Joseph no longer had the interpreters or the "stone", therefore could no longer claim the title "seer" - See Mosiah 8:13). As far as being the sole mouthpiece, this is contrary to Helaman 11:23, and Numbers 11:27-29 KJV. And as far as being organized
and established" April 6 ,1830, there were already 70 baptized members, 6 priesthood members, and 3 congregations previous to that date! And Whitmer continues by saying, "The Holy Ghost was with us in more power during the eight months previous to April 6, 1830, than ever at any time thereafter." (Whitmer, An address...... P.33)

6. On the first mission to the Indians, October/November 1830, the men went on a detour to convert Sidney Rigdon. Sidney Rigdon was a powerful protestant minister with great persuasive power, a professor of protestant theology two and one-half years before his "conversion" (See RLDS C. Hist. Vol1, p. 150. He was baptized Nov. 14, 1830 (see p.154) He was previously a co-worker with a person (Alexander Campbell) who already revised (translated) the Bible! (See Joseph Smith's "NewTranslation" of The Bible, Herald House, 1970, P. 8)

7. Dec. 1830 Sidney went to visit Joseph, and Joseph immediately receives a "revelation" that Sidney is to be his close associate, and to be his "scribe" (see p. 8, Joseph Smith's "New Translation"..., and also note on that same page the admission that "..Joseph began to revise or "Translate the Bible not later than December 1830.) Sidney Rigdon wrote about 80% of the "New Translation" himself, much of it revisions of revisions, and further revisions and extensive "interpolations"! (See P. 15 of Joseph Smith's "NewTranslation"of the Bible. published by Herald House, to read about this obvious farce.)

There was no "translation", there was no "Urim & Thummim" or any other divine instrument used. It has been stated that the translation really began with the words of Moses, known as Section 22 (RLDS D&C), see verse 24b, but the Book of Mormon clearly states that the words of Moses are to be found on the plates of brass that Nephi took from Laban and brought over to this land (see 1 Nephi 3:3).

You will see Brothers and Sisters that the "Inspired Version" is contradictory to the Book of Mormon as you continue to read these following statements. Indeed, the Book or Mormon says it is to work with the King James Version (See I Nephi 13: 20), and of course we are all aware that the "Inspired Version" wasn't even published until 1867 : 37 years after the Book of Mormon! If the "Inspired Version" was important to the Lord, then He would have had it corrected before the Book of Mormon came forth, and it would have been done with a divine instrument, and it would have been consistent for the Lord to use an unlearned person, not a professor of protestant theology who had already been involved with a previously revised Bible!

Are you ready for Part 3?

[Ymarsakar]

People can't even figure out what satan's lies are concerning Donald, Vladimir, Sound of Freedom, Tucker, Tate, or Candace Owens.

It is truly hopeless to expect anyone to be capable of unearthing a truth centuries old. Unless they declare that they have help from a god.

"However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship."

Unfortunately, scholarship is of little use against Satan's Own.

[Shawn Henry]

April 6, 1830 Joseph receives a "revelation" that he is the "seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle.." and the mouthpiece of God for the church that was organized and established April 6, 1830.(Note: Joseph no longer had the interpreters or the "stone", therefore could no longer claim the title "seer" - See Mosiah 8:13). As far as being the sole mouthpiece, this is contrary to Helaman 11:23, and Numbers 11:27-29 KJV. And as far as being organized
and established" April 6 ,1830, there were already 70 baptized members, 6 priesthood members, and 3 congregations previous to that date! And Whitmer continues by saying, "The Holy Ghost was with us in more power during the eight months previous to April 6, 1830, than ever at any time thereafter." (Whitmer, An address...... P.33)

When God's people have desired a king or a prophet, they seem to always get what they want.

The Lord's first revelation designates Joseph as the First Elder, so why the need for a second revelation telling them that the first wasn't good enough.

It does indeed seem as if the saints said, "We want a prophet", and the Lord said, "Fine, but be careful what you ask for".

It's also fair to point out that the only revelation at the time of the Bible translation was that Joseph shall only have the one gift of translating the BoM. The "new" changed revelation that he will be given other gifts came out after the New Translation was mostly completed.

How do you receive a revelation to do something long after you've done it? Joseph was already in violation of the 1829 revelation, because that's the only one he had while translating the Bible.

[Dusty Wanderer]

Feeling a need to defend the original truth of September 22, 1827 - April 5, 1829, I will be stating herein some discussion points in piecemeal fashion. Rather than present all 30 plus at once, this will give anyone interested opportunity to absorb and research the ideas and comments if interested. These points are mainly from a gentleman named Richard Bauman taken from his YouTube series entitled "What Happened To The Church". (See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrywgxUo ... 1hbg%3D%3D)

Like most documentaries I add that the views of the author do not necessarily represent my views. However, I believe he demonstrates great scholarship.

Many of the Book of Mormon references are given as the RLDS version.

I quote:

...the following documented statements should bring the reader to the realization that ... Joseph Smith indeed "yielded to the persuasions of men". Consequently in just a very short time, the truths of the unchangeable God became so obscured that those whose job it was to bring forth and establish the truth became the enemy by concealing the truth!

5. April 6, 1830 Joseph receives a "revelation" that he is the "seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle.." and the mouthpiece of God for the church that was organized and established April 6, 1830.(Note: Joseph no longer had the interpreters or the "stone", therefore could no longer claim the title "seer" - See Mosiah 8:13). As far as being the sole mouthpiece, this is contrary to Helaman 11:23, and Numbers 11:27-29 KJV. And as far as being organized
and established" April 6 ,1830, there were already 70 baptized members, 6 priesthood members, and 3 congregations previous to that date! And Whitmer continues by saying, "The Holy Ghost was with us in more power during the eight months previous to April 6, 1830, than ever at any time thereafter." (Whitmer, An address...... P.33)

I think that Whitmer spoke with some hyperbole to make his point, as we have documented occurrences of significant manifestations after Apr. 6, 1830, with Morley Farm 1831 being one of them. But I agree with his point in general that these manifestations began trending downward until they went over the figurative cliff in Kirtland.

6. On the first mission to the Indians, October/November 1830, the men went on a detour to convert Sidney Rigdon. Sidney Rigdon was a powerful protestant minister with great persuasive power, a professor of protestant theology two and one-half years before his "conversion" (See RLDS C. Hist. Vol1, p. 150. He was baptized Nov. 14, 1830 (see p.154) He was previously a co-worker with a person (Alexander Campbell) who already revised (translated) the Bible! (See Joseph Smith's "NewTranslation" of The Bible, Herald House, 1970, P. 8)

7. Dec. 1830 Sidney went to visit Joseph, and Joseph immediately receives a "revelation" that Sidney is to be his close associate, and to be his "scribe" (see p. 8, Joseph Smith's "New Translation"..., and also note on that same page the admission that "..Joseph began to revise or "Translate the Bible not later than December 1830.) Sidney Rigdon wrote about 80% of the "New Translation" himself, much of it revisions of revisions, and further revisions and extensive "interpolations"! (See P. 15 of Joseph Smith's "NewTranslation"of the Bible. published by Herald House, to read about this obvious farce.)

There was no "translation", there was no "Urim & Thummim" or any other divine instrument used. It has been stated that the translation really began with the words of Moses, known as Section 22 (RLDS D&C), see verse 24b, but the Book of Mormon clearly states that the words of Moses are to be found on the plates of brass that Nephi took from Laban and brought over to this land (see 1 Nephi 3:3).

You will see Brothers and Sisters that the "Inspired Version" is contradictory to the Book of Mormon as you continue to read these following statements. Indeed, the Book or Mormon says it is to work with the King James Version (See I Nephi 13: 20), and of course we are all aware that the "Inspired Version" wasn't even published until 1867 : 37 years after the Book of Mormon! If the "Inspired Version" was important to the Lord, then He would have had it corrected before the Book of Mormon came forth, and it would have been done with a divine instrument, and it would have been consistent for the Lord to use an unlearned person, not a professor of protestant theology who had already been involved with a previously revised Bible![/i]

Are you ready for Part 3?

I don't think Sidney's receiving revelation and assisting with the work of the New Translation is necessarily a smoking gun. There's a tendency among men, even righteous men gifted with heavenly manifestations, that by virtue of the office or seat they hold within the institutional church they think the things they've been blessed with are binding upon everyone. This is one way the vain traditions start to creep in.

There's a reason why Joseph did not have the New Translation or the PoGP canonized before his death.