LDS Church is suing Cody, Wyoming

[Silver Pie]

Cody residents don't like that the temple is in a residential area, that the spire will be 70 feet high, or that the LDS Church started moving materials to the site before it was approved. I read that in an online Wyoming newspaper.

The reddit post below is very angry. Not sure how much of their perspective is true about the LDS individuals in Cody, but the Corp suing them? That's a satanic thing for a Christ-claiming Church to do, imo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wyoming/commen ... n_of_cody/

https://www.codyenterprise.com/news/loc ... 86a06.html

Sad, our town isn't exactly rich and we have a cult with tons of lawyers and $150B bearing down on us. These people have lied and lied and lied and lied again to the townspeople. We are unable to comment in the Cody Enterprise without our comments being deleted. We are unable to comment on Facebook without our comments getting deleted. Everyday the 10% of people here who are Mormons post comments about us being bigots and unpatriotic in the paper, and the townspeople can't defend themselves against these predators.

They started moving in building materials for the Temple even before approval because the City Planner is a Mormon and tried to push it through, despite being 70' higher than code and in a residential neighborhood.

[Subcomandante]

Cody residents don't like that the temple is in a residential area, that the spire will be 70 feet high, or that the LDS Church started moving materials to the site before it was approved. I read that in an online Wyoming newspaper.

The reddit post below is very angry. Not sure how much of their perspective is true about the LDS individuals in Cody, but the Corp suing them? That's a satanic thing for a Christ-claiming Church to do, imo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wyoming/commen ... n_of_cody/

https://www.codyenterprise.com/news/loc ... 86a06.html

Sad, our town isn't exactly rich and we have a cult with tons of lawyers and $150B bearing down on us. These people have lied and lied and lied and lied again to the townspeople. We are unable to comment in the Cody Enterprise without our comments being deleted. We are unable to comment on Facebook without our comments getting deleted. Everyday the 10% of people here who are Mormons post comments about us being bigots and unpatriotic in the paper, and the townspeople can't defend themselves against these predators.

They started moving in building materials for the Temple even before approval because the City Planner is a Mormon and tried to push it through, despite being 70' higher than code and in a residential neighborhood.

The code is 30 feet, and the proposed spire is 100 feet high, which is where the excess of 70 feet comes from.

[4Joshua8]

The church sure spends a lot of money making spires pointing up to the heavens when they claim God's presence dwells within. I've always felt the tall spires were total excess and add nothing of value to the experience of going inside. Don't get me started on the golden angels atop many spires.

[Silver Pie]

The code is 30 feet, and the proposed spire is 100 feet high, which is where the excess of 70 feet comes from.

Oh, I see. I probably read it was that tall in the newspaper article, but forgot. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Ymarsakar]

Satan's loosch farming requires the spires to be a certain height. Come on people, this is temple work.

HIGH PLACES, remember?

[Fred]

There was a dispute around the Magna, UT temple. The church caved and built somewhere else. They don't always win. And in a town where they have already pissed people off and moved materials without authority, a beginner lawyer should be able to win this one. Small towns have local judges and police. Verizon as huge as they are was unable to get a permit for a tower in Duchesne County, UT because it would compete with the local telecom. It took Family Dollar 3 years to get a building permit in Duchesne because they would be competing with the locally owned market. Sometimes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[Silver Pie]

A post from a different reddit thread. Several of the comments are complaining about the light pollution the temple will cause, and other businesses have to comply with low light requirements - but not the LDS Church?

PM_ME_YOUR_POSITION
Cody
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The mormons can build a temple in Cody. I have no problem with it. My problem is with the location and the fact that it will be lit up 24/7. I'm about a mile away from there with views that will become obstructed by this continually illuminated spire.

All that being said, my bigger beef with with Todd Stowell (City Planner) and Orthodontist Mat Moss (P&Z Board). Both are mormons and refused to recuse themselves from the process. Todd Stowell has 'changed' the rules to say that the massive spire is not included in the height of the building, and Orthodontist Mat Moss has used his religious beliefs to determine his decisions. What are his qualifications to even be on the P&Z board? Unless, of course, he knew this was coming and figured he could get to that next level in his church by forcing this through.

Business owners here are forced to comply with 'Dark Sky' requirements, as desired by the previous mayor. Even though we're not a dark sky city, Todd Stowell has made this a requirement for businesses. Yet he somehow says that doesn't apply to this temple? And to top it off, this is zoned RESIDENTIAL! Not even commercial.

These two are shady and doing what their church wants them to do. NOT what the residents of this city want them to do. They are in the pocket of this church and are being directed by them. Both of them need to go. I've heard horror stories from business owners & people who have to interact with Todd Stowell's office. He needs to lose his job.

The city attorney had the nerve to say there was no conflict of interest, but that is a complete lie.

At what point does the state step in to address this shady activity?

Edited to add: The mormon church was so confident Stowell & Moss would be able to get this through, they already sent the damn building here and it's being stored at YTex in Cody. So not only does this provide zero jobs or benefit to local businesses, they just assumed it was a given this would pass.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wyoming/commen ... ple_being/

[Silver Pie]

From the first reddit link:

u/Breck_the_Hyena

That's the thing, people aren't necessarily against building a temple, it's the location and size that is ticking most of the town off, and the way the LDS has treated the townspeople.

They have tried to say things like "it will only be 24' tall" When in fact it will be 101' feet tall and will have 24 hour lighting.

The lying and crying going on by the Mormons is really starting to get on local's nerves.

[Lizzy60]

The lawyer from Kirton McConkie basically threatened to bankrupt the city rather than moving the temple to another site.

https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news ... 10d41.html

[Chip]

The lawyer from Kirton McConkie basically threatened to bankrupt the city rather than moving the temple to another site.

https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news ... 10d41.html

I really wonder how much things like this are enabled by the vaxx. I think it has deadened people's spiritual accuity. It's an odd thing for the church to go on the offense like that.

[Lizzy60]

The lawyer from Kirton McConkie basically threatened to bankrupt the city rather than moving the temple to another site.

https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news ... 10d41.html

I really wonder how much things like this are enabled by the vaxx. I think it has deadened people's spiritual accuity. It's an odd thing for the church to go on the offense like that.

I wonder about this every day. Monsters, Mutants, and Zombies.....created by DNA repair function being harmed by the vaxx.

[Sunain]

Pretty much everywhere allows for religious buildings to have an exemption to the building code heights in regards to steeples. This sounds like the town council and some of the townsfolk hate Mormon's and doesn't want the temple there at all. The church has every right to sue them for this. Should sue them for a hate crime too.

The church complied with the height restrictions of no spire for the Paris, France temple but that was a well established known instance that is famous around the world.

Main temple lights at most temples are turned off at designated times, as stipulated by the city. They aren't on 24/7. Security lights on 24/7 are common on all buildings, not just temples.

[Subcomandante]

When the temple for Puebla was announced, the location was known by local members within a month of the temple announcement. The Church wanted to be as accomodating as possible to the local neighborhood which is a relatively rich area of the city (though not the richest area) and invited many of the neighbors to participate in the groundbreaking ceremony. They also made sure to build the temple taking into mind the local culture which is why you'll find a lot of Spanish style motifs inside and outside the temple. Talavera will also be present on the grounds, which is a local way of making pottery in the Puebla and Tlaxcala regions. When the temple construction site got closed down by the government on two occasions, it was obvious to the local neighbors that the construction company was at fault and not the Church and you had Catholics defend the Church on multiple occasions because they loved the architecture.

This does NOT happen without good will.

I am ashamed at the process that is going on in Cody. It definitely looks like the Church is being a bully in this situation. A similar situation happened in Honduras about 15 years ago when they had already started a groundbreaking near the Virgin of Suyapa church in Tegucigalpa. The construction was halted and the Church was obligated to look for a new piece of land for the temple, where they constructed the building without further opposition.

You don't need to have the lights on all 24 hours of the day, especially in a relatively remote area where stargazing can be had in excellent conditions. Honestly, for a temple that size and for the amount of stakes that would be in that temple district, you could probably run the temple only in the afternoon and early evening hours during the weekdays and every couple of hours on Saturdays. Unless we are expecting the Tribes to come down from the north countries to descend on that area, I don't see the need for 24 hour a day lighting.

It's really simple. Be good neighbors. Explain to them the purpose of the temple and temple ceremonies. Have multiple plans set up in case somebody balks at the initial plan. Listen to those that might be concerned about the temple (such as traffic concerns, lighting, and the like). The Church did that in Puebla. Why couldn't they do that in Cody, especially after what happened in Tegucigalpa?

[Good & Global]

Pretty much everywhere allows for religious buildings to have an exemption to the building code heights in regards to steeples. This sounds like the town council and some of the townsfolk hate Mormon's and doesn't want the temple there at all. The church has every right to sue them for this. Should sue them for a hate crime too.

The church complied with the height restrictions of no spire for the Paris, France temple but that was a well established known instance that is famous around the world.

Main temple lights at most temples are turned off at designated times, as stipulated by the city. They aren't on 24/7. Security lights on 24/7 are common on all buildings, not just temples.

Cue Mormon church coming out with a Burj Khalifa-like temple spire.

They push the envelope because they are made up of apostholes and profits.

At what point do members become ashamed of the church, not ashamed of Christ, but of the church.

I personally have already reached that high-sewerwater mark

[Ymarsakar]

Que LDS people coming out here and saying I am not LDS why am I here, and que LDS people coming out here being offended by my words.

At what point do they become ashamed of their own behavior?

When they get chastised in their real life, that's when.

[Erastothenes]

"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Do you or dont you? Dont get your way? Sic your lapdogs at Kirton Mckonkie on them and bankrupt the city. How about being goodly neighbors and if the citizenry doesnt want you, stay away.

[Silver Pie]

It's an odd thing for the church to go on the offense like that.

Extremely odd.

[Silver Pie]

Pretty much everywhere allows for religious buildings to have an exemption to the building code heights in regards to steeples. This sounds like the town council and some of the townsfolk hate Mormon's and doesn't want the temple there at all. The church has every right to sue them for this. Should sue them for a hate crime too.

The church complied with the height restrictions of no spire for the Paris, France temple but that was a well established known instance that is famous around the world.

Main temple lights at most temples are turned off at designated times, as stipulated by the city. They aren't on 24/7. Security lights on 24/7 are common on all buildings, not just temples.

The spire is ridiculously tall.

The populace is convinced the lights will be on 24/7.

The Church started bringing in building supplies before they were even granted the right to build.

[Silver Pie]

When the temple for Puebla was announced, the location was known by local members within a month of the temple announcement. The Church wanted to be as accomodating as possible to the local neighborhood which is a relatively rich area of the city (though not the richest area) and invited many of the neighbors to participate in the groundbreaking ceremony. They also made sure to build the temple taking into mind the local culture which is why you'll find a lot of Spanish style motifs inside and outside the temple.

This is why what they're doing in Cody is shocking. It's ridiculous. Isn't there a temple in a place like New York City where it's on an upper floor instead of being its own building? What happened to working with the community and building a temple that reflects the community?

[Silver Pie]

It's really simple. Be good neighbors. Explain to them the purpose of the temple and temple ceremonies. Have multiple plans set up in case somebody balks at the initial plan. Listen to those that might be concerned about the temple (such as traffic concerns, lighting, and the like). The Church did that in Puebla. Why couldn't they do that in Cody, especially after what happened in Tegucigalpa?

Exactly!

It's like the Church wants to make itself look bad (a cardinal sin if a member does it; people have gotten ex'ed for that), and is trying to make people hate them.

[~ternal-tummim]

Cody’s a hun mei da deefung
Big rodeos; museum’s top-rung.
Lots a folks there still on up-dial
Saltin’ Earth ‘n’ givin’ free smile
Not lots a cash like Jackson’s Hole
Er just gits done, dat’s how dey roll.

So I’s gots ta side with Cody Man
Sane, simple… not like Florida Man,
He don’t ask much: just plain respect.
Don’t barge in make his town get wrecked.
Don’t stride in like you own the place
A’breakin’ laws. Just show some grace.

If I ran zoos, let me just say:
I’d not e’en put it in town, kay?
You want it high? Sure! High is grand!
There’s MOUNTAIN PEAKS that dot that land.
Choose one that’s miles away from pop.,
And stick one smack dab right on top.

[Being There]

The lawyer from Kirton McConkie basically threatened to bankrupt the city rather than moving the temple to another site.

https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news ... 10d41.html

I really wonder how much things like this are enabled by the vaxx. I think it has deadened people's spiritual accuity. It's an odd thing for the church to go on the offense like that.

well, like everything else the church does now, and like everyone else,
the church is just following the new trend - "I do what I want, and I don't care who I hurt."

[Good & Global]

The lawyer from Kirton McConkie basically threatened to bankrupt the city rather than moving the temple to another site.

https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news ... 10d41.html

I really wonder how much things like this are enabled by the vaxx. I think it has deadened people's spiritual accuity. It's an odd thing for the church to go on the offense like that.

well, like everything else the church does now, and like everyone else,
the church is just following the new trend - "I do what I want, and I don't care who I hurt."

Yes ever since they got all the members' money they do not care about anyone else including what the members think. Now they are free to act like their true selves and not have to hide it any longer. Which is why my previous comment was as animated as it was.

[2dayisGood]

I seem to recall a recent talk about being a peacemaker. I guess that doesn’t apply here. I was born and raised in Cody. I don’t currently live there but I have family that does. The problem in my opinion is that it makes no sense where the temple is located, if the goal was to make it easy for people to attend. It could easily be located on the outskirts of town toward Powell and Lovell. 2 communities that will be attending. Instead it’s going to be located right in the heart of a tourist driven town, in a neighborhood that literally has a yard sign in 75% of the yards , asking for relocation. The land has been gifted by a prominent family in town so I guess that’s helpful since the church hardly has any money. It used to be that when there was resistance to a temple ,we would fast and pray and ask God to help us. Now we just send in the lawyers and use force. I’d hate to be a missionary in the Big Horn Basin right now.

[Sunain]

Site location of the Cody, Wyoming temple

This is why I 100% support the church for suing as it was hate motivated issue with the town. They don't want more church members coming into their town. Of course they won't say this. It's a pretty fast trip from Idaho and northern parts of Utah for people to go to this temple. Plus with a temple, it means members will move there too.

The church agreed to lower the height of the steeple from 101 feet to 85.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/08 ... l-wyoming/