It can be so easy to judge others in the LDS church

[CuriousThinker]

I was talking to my husband the other day about how many outward signs we have to show if we really are "faithful" in the church. We can tell by the clothes sisters wear if they have garments on. After the new For Strength of Youth pamphlet came out, I decided to wear a second set of earrings again. I had gotten them pierced (even had a third set pierced) when I was 18- right before Hinkley said only 1 pair. I never wore another pair after that, until the new pamphlet and how we decide with the Lord if we can get more piercings. I already felt very comfortable when I got the other sets and that I was being modest. I went and saw my parents for a wedding and they were both shocked that I had two sets in. My Dad told me after pointing them out that he likes to follow the prophet. I laughed and said I wasn't going against Hinckley (continuing revelation right?) and that it was funny since none of us got the va* including my parents. To them it was an outward sign that I wasn't holy enough. (But I was extra holey, pardon the pun.)

If we go to the temple for a sealing with family or friends we know who had a recommend and doesn't anymore. If a baby is blessed or a child is baptized and the dad doesn't do it, we know why. Even the clothes men wear to church can show a level of spirituality according to some. We had a brother in my ward get baptized and previous to his baptism he wore nice polo shirts. Today, he wore a white shirt and tie. I doubt he thought that up on his own, but I could be wrong.

Do other churches have this situation? I suppose those like the Amish have a strict dress code. Do other faiths have the fathers give blessing or baptizing? Do we members have an extra layer of pride and holiness built into the system with the way the priesthood, missions, and temples work? Or are other faiths just as bad?

[tmac]

It’s all part of the evolving culture of Mormonism.

[randyps]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

[tmac]

In the U.S. (and the world), institutions like the military and law enforcement have been replaced by Amazon as the single institution with the highest credibility.

Overall, Amazon warehouse employees can wear whatever feels comfortable for them. Still, they should avoid wearing clothing that's too loose or revealing or garments that have hanging details that can get caught in the machinery.

Amazon's non-warehouse workers are expected to wear business casual.

Typically, Amazon workers are expected to uphold a clean, composed, and relaxed image.

At this point, unity, at least in the U.S., and in the Church, is a thing of the past. At this point, Amazon has more credibility than anyone, and there is no unity.

[CuriousThinker]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

Is it that clothes make unity or is it just the appearance of it? I have been in many places where people are dressed the same and there is zero unity, including wards. In the military I think it is experiences that unify them, not their uniforms.

[tmac]

Yes, the vast gap between theory and reality. But a lot of people do think that uniformity is one of the keys to unity.

In my view, the one, single thing that would bring greatest unity to the Church would be a shared spiritual condition of a genuine broken heart and contrite spirit, which is the sacrifice that we are all supposed to bring to the table at this point. And if that were the case, I don’t think that we’d even need to be talking about clothes or unity, or a whole bunch of other stuff that seems to occupy our superficial priorities.

[sam_onofree]

I am able to judge the holiest of all based on how big their Stanley cup is.

[Good & Global]

I was talking to my husband the other day about how many outward signs we have to show if we really are "faithful" in the church.

We had a brother in my ward get baptized and previous to his baptism he wore nice polo shirts. Today, he wore a white shirt and tie. I doubt he thought that up on his own, but I could be wrong.

Do other churches have this situation? I suppose those like the Amish have a strict dress code. Do other faiths have the fathers give blessing or baptizing? Do we members have an extra layer of pride and holiness built into the system with the way the priesthood, missions, and temples work? Or are other faiths just as bad?

Yes unfortunately this is not unique about the LDS brand. Granted it may be more so but I remember while serving a mission, Assembly of God churches or pentecostals being very much like LDS culture with how people dressed, women needing to wear makeup and dresses, cautions about dancing and the music they listened to like LDS did for their youth. Of course, chastity was at the forefront of their minds. Many baptists doll all up to be seen by others. Even some non demoniationals it is white shirt and tie, sone dont care it is come as you are.

I look at more of it being human behavior under the constraints of religious social pressure. Humans in general behave the same way. Standards imposed upon them that are not of God but the thinking of men can have some rather unhealthy effects no matter where you find these rules.

[HVDC]

Yes, the vast gap between theory and reality. But a lot of people do think that uniformity is one of the keys to unity.

In my view, the one, single thing that would bring greatest unity to the Church would be a shared spiritual condition of a genuine broken heart and contrite spirit, which is the sacrifice that we are all supposed to bring to the table at this point. And if that were the case, I don’t think that we’d even need to be talking about clothes or unity, or a whole bunch of other stuff that seems to occupy our superficial priorities.

Everyone should just wear nothing at all.

Including makeup.

Erase that pretentiousness we all have.

The reveal of our flaws would level us to the same status.

Naked and afraid.

Modestly of course.

Sir H

[Good & Global]

Yes, the vast gap between theory and reality. But a lot of people do think that uniformity is one of the keys to unity.

In my view, the one, single thing that would bring greatest unity to the Church would be a shared spiritual condition of a genuine broken heart and contrite spirit, which is the sacrifice that we are all supposed to bring to the table at this point. And if that were the case, I don’t think that we’d even need to be talking about clothes or unity, or a whole bunch of other stuff that seems to occupy our superficial priorities.

Everyone should just wear nothing at all.

Including makeup.

Erase that pretentiousness we all have.

The reveal of our flaws would level us to the same status.

Naked and afraid.

Modestly of course.

Sir H

Darn unitarians! They always seem to find their way into this forum.

[randyps]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

Is it that clothes make unity or is it just the appearance of it? I have been in many places where people are dressed the same and there is zero unity, including wards. In the military I think it is experiences that unify them, not their uniforms.

If I were about to engage in a war with 50 military soldiers beside me. Id rather their uniforms say "navy seals" rather then "Provo Town Center Security"
Those same 50 navy seals would expect that I too be trained and qualified to wear a navy seal uniform and fight with them.

The uniform distinguishes and qualifies people to perform a task. They are then able to unify, in turn creating experiences.

[Good & Global]

Provo Town Center Security, otherwise known as Red Robin bouncers. The rest of the mall is dead.

[HVDC]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

Is it that clothes make unity or is it just the appearance of it? I have been in many places where people are dressed the same and there is zero unity, including wards. In the military I think it is experiences that unify them, not their uniforms.

If I were about to engage in a war with 50 military soldiers beside me. Id rather their uniforms say "navy seals" rather then "Provo Town Center Security"
Those same 50 navy seals would expect that I too be trained and qualified to wear a navy seal uniform and fight with them.

The uniform distinguishes and qualifies people to perform a task. They are then able to unify, in turn creating experiences.

Me too.

But.

Navy Seals often deploy sans uniforms.

Fifty Seals might damn near be all of them.

Perhaps you meant U.S. Army Rangers.

In any case.

Modern soldiers wear uniforms so each side knows who to shoot.

Targets they are.

Unity only happens while marching.

Stops when the shooting starts.

Picks up again when it stops.

Sir H

[Thinker]

Is it that clothes make unity or is it just the appearance of it?

Exactly. Appearances are everything to narcissistic cults.

In the Spirit world - before and after life - it seems that unity is what we’re part of. But this life is for personal growth that can then be of use to the whole when we’re unified again. In this life, because of abundant pride and ignorance - unity tends to be mob mentality. And people act more insane in groups than they do on their own.

[Thinker]

In my view, the one, single thing that would bring greatest unity to the Church would be a shared spiritual condition of a genuine broken heart and contrite spirit, which is the sacrifice that we are all supposed to bring to the table at this point. And if that were the case, I don’t think that we’d even need to be talking about clothes or unity, or a whole bunch of other stuff that seems to occupy our superficial priorities.

I agree!
It’s easy to command certain underwear, jewelry etc. But a broken heart and contrite spirit can not be so easily commanded & obeyed. By its nature, it is from one’s own Will to give up pride & submit to God (not man) that paves the way for God to turn those weaknesses into strengths.

[Thinker]

I am able to judge the holiest of all based on how big their Stanley cup is.

Good show! Though I haven’t found cups for it.

[Thinker]

Everyone should just wear nothing at all.

Including makeup.

Erase that pretentiousness we all have.

The reveal of our flaws would level us to the same status.

Naked and afraid.

Modestly of course.

I’ve never gone to any of these meet ups but it’s interesting...

[Ymarsakar]

"Do we members have an extra layer of pride and holiness built into the system with the way the priesthood, missions, and temples work? Or are other faiths just as bad?"

Every human nation has this problem.

Doesn't matter if your religious background is Mormonism, polygamy, satanism, church of rome, or scientism.

Humans do what humans are

When was it common to know or ask about someone's waxination status? Was it normal in 2019 to ask people's status on STD shots and whether they had AIDs or not?

What about 2022 when it was time to genocide donbass russians, when was it common to hate russians simply because they were defending woemn adn children in donbass ukraine from kiev nazis?

Humans are contaminated DNA wise. That's the problem. Doesn't matter what your religion is. The contamination began long ago before 2021 shots and 2020 poisons. Even before the fallen watchers.

[Serragon]

I was talking to my husband the other day about how many outward signs we have to show if we really are "faithful" in the church. We can tell by the clothes sisters wear if they have garments on. After the new For Strength of Youth pamphlet came out, I decided to wear a second set of earrings again. I had gotten them pierced (even had a third set pierced) when I was 18- right before Hinkley said only 1 pair. I never wore another pair after that, until the new pamphlet and how we decide with the Lord if we can get more piercings. I already felt very comfortable when I got the other sets and that I was being modest. I went and saw my parents for a wedding and they were both shocked that I had two sets in. My Dad told me after pointing them out that he likes to follow the prophet. I laughed and said I wasn't going against Hinckley (continuing revelation right?) and that it was funny since none of us got the va* including my parents. To them it was an outward sign that I wasn't holy enough. (But I was extra holey, pardon the pun.)

If we go to the temple for a sealing with family or friends we know who had a recommend and doesn't anymore. If a baby is blessed or a child is baptized and the dad doesn't do it, we know why. Even the clothes men wear to church can show a level of spirituality according to some. We had a brother in my ward get baptized and previous to his baptism he wore nice polo shirts. Today, he wore a white shirt and tie. I doubt he thought that up on his own, but I could be wrong.

Do other churches have this situation? I suppose those like the Amish have a strict dress code. Do other faiths have the fathers give blessing or baptizing? Do we members have an extra layer of pride and holiness built into the system with the way the priesthood, missions, and temples work? Or are other faiths just as bad?

I think you are just describing basic human nature. People generally love their tribe and think their tribe is superior to others.

I think our church is actually very good about accepting others and not being judgmental in comparison to most other tribes. Anytime you have standards, you will have what you describe. When people choose to engage in behaviors that bring them out of alignment with the tribal standards, it will be visible and obvious to others. And this is not always a bad thing, as conformity is necessary for any community to have unity.

I am glad that the man wore a white shirt and tie. He is outwardly showing to the community that he wishes to be a full member of the tribe and that he is wiling to change his old ways to match the ways of the tribe he has been adopted into.

It seems to me that most people have no clue how societies and communities are built and think that you can do any old thing and it will have no negative impact. But this is not true. we have seen this with our country as a whole and we have seen this in the church. As we have become lax with our principles and our standards, we have become a less unified and powerful people. Instead of demonstrating public symbols of sacrifice for country or faith, we see most establishing symbols to the world that their individual will is more important than anything else.

[InfoWarrior82]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

And Satan is well aware of this and uses it to his advantage

[HVDC]

Everyone should just wear nothing at all.

Including makeup.

Erase that pretentiousness we all have.

The reveal of our flaws would level us to the same status.

Naked and afraid.

Modestly of course.

I’ve never gone to any of these meet ups but it’s interesting...

I've actually been to a nude beach.

Never even took my tee shirt off.

From what I could tell.

Mostly 80% gay guys.

Malibu, CA so of course.

And except for the Playboy models.

Who scowled at us young would be voyeurs.

The remaining ladies were mostly grandma's.

So, pretty sure the LDS group would be about the same

In Europe.

I hear things are more balanced.

Less sexualized.

Nowadays.

I would only interest the fishes nibbling on my toes.

Sir H

[LateOutOfBed]

the US Military has strict dress codes and is the most powerful military on the planet.
Almost every company, institution, organization has some sort of "code of conduct/dress policy"

Obedience and unity is a powerful thing

I actually wonder if that first statement is still true. With the forced vaccinations and our extremely high dependence upon technology, even if we do have the edge now, it could easily (or is already) be lost... but that's not the point you were making. To the point you are making, the Air Force I left last December, is not as unified as the Air Force I joined 27 years ago. So unity does go along way... but break down the unity and power dissipates rapidly.

[Ymarsakar]

The US military is made out of the body of US citizens. When US citizens get awakened to ymar level conspiracies, of course they will lose their loyalty and admiration of USSA reich.

It is kind of hard to "serve your country" when you realize that it is a nazi regime ruled by totalitarians, as I came to realize early on in 2006.

What does serving your country even mean in that context? You must become Snowden then, and join Russia to escape the CIA death squads.

ALso the US military has become a target for a number of factions in the shadow war.

Ironically, the public having so much trust in the US military was a pretty dangerous point, since the qabal MIC could easily hijack the military. It is hard for me to tell who the good military and the bad military are. So when they hesitated in 2021 to get rid of the qabal leaders, I had to assume that all of them were corrupt and had taken a "deal" with satan.

Thus the qabal disabled the military to prevent 'mass arrests' of child trafficking, i.e. them and epstein's list.

And I wanted the military disabled because I knew the MIC nazis were inside the US military and alsocould not be trusted with a "plan" or whatever salvation fakery.

In a way we both got what we wanted, and the US military was definitely "disabled" a number of ways, which put them in a hard spot when they tried to use NATO on Donbass ukraine.

This has further "narrowed" down who the qabal military officers are, to me, at least. Hussein (Obama Presidency regime) purged a lot of the military's officer corps. The ones who would refuse to fire on American civilians. So I knew they were cooking up some "military coup" fakery long ago.

Doing a psy op and getting 10k something national guard in DC to pretend to guard them, while also threatening to mass arrest them, really scared the beejeezus out of these qabal aligned politicians. THey overreacted and put their trans commanders in charge, which was so crazy that the military and american public woke up to the military problem.

They didn't manage to find any Q masterminds and break the God net. And I didn't manage to kill all of them in a 2021 military coup de tat, with mass public arrests and executions live on ytube/rumble. So we are even or stalemated until now. THen Ukraine happened, and they now had to use this weakened trans military to do something against the Federation. No use, the Pentagon rebelled and said nope.

[~ternal-tummim]

Including makeup.

Makeup should be banned as fraud
And poison. Kind of is, by God.

[Good & Global]

I’ve never gone to any of these meet ups but it’s interesting...

Oh my goodness. I certainly hope they do not hold a small devotional when they gather.

"I would be remiss if I didn't bare my soul and share my testimony ..."