Rob Smith - OMAS?

[Ymarsakar]

The fact that it's not out there reduces Rob's credibility. I'm glad you've made friends with him. I have had multiple friends who were close with Rob years ago but when they tried to point out things he was doing that were narcissistic or just plain wrong - they got blasted in ways no person who had seen Jesus would act. So as long as you keep your opinions to yourself or keep opinions that don't clash with Rob - you'll remain friends.

I have been open that I have had a negative experience with Rob which has certainly biased me to a degree. However, can we reframe the discussion a little?
This entire thread is about how Rob may be the OMAS, which I think is a possibility of course. The same for anyone.

However, the simple question I have is, is there a single fruit or divine evidence that Rob is any different from anyone else?
Has he done, produced, or manifested anything that shows divine acceptance to any degree?

I just finished researching the First Vision and it was interesting to realize that the First Vision wasn't even a tool for early missionaries at all. It wasn't published, in the US, until 2 years before Joseph's death. Therefore, the First Vision was largely irrelevant for the early church, the same can be said of Rob's "First Vision" if he had one. Why should that even be part of the discussion? The tool to show Joseph's prophetic mission was the Book of Mormon. What is Rob's equivalent?

In my opinion, a lot of people like Rob or Denver or anyone else because they simply talk a lot. With just enough spirituality to intrigue you, but not enough to actually change you.

When rob talked about how jeshua was rude and very disruptive, this is a correct insight. Likely his god gave it to him.

But this is not some rare divine skill. Most of you can have it.

It is not their role to change you. So long as you think like that, your god wont let you get too close to crutches.

[Ymarsakar]

Beating down the false doctrines of the man is not beating the man, who is dead. Just the same as I best beat down Marxism even though Karl is dead. Even then I wouldn't talk about either of them if their false ideas didn't persist in the world.

Also the scapegoat isn't sacrificed, it is set free into the wilderness.

That is an interesting point of view, but not one I hold to. If you have done it to the least of people, you have done it to me.

So while your attitude towards me is reserved and cautious, you may notice that's not how I react. I am react based upon your attitude to others, who you aren't that wary of.

Jeshua was the scapegoat, the lamb that was sacrificed. Maybe he went free too.

That's what you humans seem to say, that you are just arguing against Donald or Vladimir's policies. Except what you are doing is far more than that, which is obvious. Are people indicting Donald because they want to defeat his policies? But that's not arguing against his policies.

NATO says Vladimir is threatening nuclear weapons, and that is why they must go to Ukraine and deploy cluster munitions and nuclear missiles. It is like the cart leading the horse here. In resisting these false beliefs of yours, you end up perpetuating the very thing you abhor. You become your own worst enemy.

This is a failure of your god to teach you divine truths? Or do you lack a direct communication back to your god and are just using human resources to solve divine problems?

You have a very odd understanding of YHWH and His festivals, and the scriptures.

Why do you keep talking about Qanon, CIA, Trump, Putin, Biden etc?

And I don't believe that you are not human either, nor do I believe that you actually worship YHWH.

Why would i worship my cousin or brother? My god is not ur god. And i am not ur savior. And ur relationship where u worship organized religion has nothing to do with me or young or the gods.

Our very essential frequency and world view is different.

You seek to tear apart what u dislike while i am of the true divine realm of consciousness where my enemies are also my friends. I dont worship my friends or enemies either.

U dont get my heavenly world view. Nor do i truly understand your base fears and desires for conflict wars.

I use ur human current events for the same reason jeshua talked in parables. Farming to farmers. Fishing to fishers. Conspiracies to conspiracists.

[Telavian]

It is not their role to change you. So long as you think like that, your god wont let you get too close to crutches.

I didn't mean change in that way. I meant in a way of improvement.
When I read the scriptures it changes me. It makes me want to be better and do better.
God's words resonate at a deep level which "changes" people if they let it.

[Ymarsakar]

It is not their role to change you. So long as you think like that, your god wont let you get too close to crutches.

I didn't mean change in that way. I meant in a way of improvement.
When I read the scriptures it changes me. It makes me want to be better and do better.
God's words resonate at a deep level which "changes" people if they let it.

These are dna activation keys but they are not the words of a god. The bible authors had the dna keys unlocked partially at least. There is truth and fiction in the bible.

Rob may have a heart chakra blockage. Thus the heart keys wont be found with him yet. If u need ur heart keys then find ssomeone with heart

[ransomme]

Challenge yourself...
Can you find another instance, let alone pattern in the scriptures that would fit having a resurrected being openly minister to the world?

John the Baptist was Elijah.

Luke 7:28 - John the Baptist greatest prophet
JST John 1:19-22 - Doesn't deny being Elijah
JST Mark 9:1-13 - John the Baptist was Elijah
JST Luke 9:30 - John the Baptist was Elijah who appeared on mount of transfiguration
JST Matthew 17:1-13 - John the Baptist is Elijah
JST Luke 1:15-17 - John the Baptist is Elijah

Challenge yourself...
Why don't you believe God?

I do. Obviously you read those versus differently than I.

But, let me understand you. Elijah was translated, correct?

So then how was Elijah's spirit removed from his translated body and put back into a baby in his mother Elizabeth's womb?

John the Baptist was an Elijah/Elias, it's an archetype, not the same person.

Right there in your reference John denied it.

JST John 1
22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we man give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias.

Just as Joseph Smith taught:
“The spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last. Elias is a forerunner to prepare the way, and the spirit and power of Elijah is to come after, holding the keys of power, building the Temple to the capstone, placing the seals of the Melchizedek Priesthood upon the house of Israel, and making all things ready; then Messiah comes to His Temple, which is last of all; Elijah was to come and prepare the way and build up the kingdom before the coming of the great day of the Lord, although the spirit of Elias might begin it” [TPJS, pp. 335, 340]

I'll have to find the other quote where Joseph taught that the purpose of translated bodies of to preserve then for a later work. Not dead then resurrected or reincarnated

Joseph himself was the one who came in the spirit of Elias to begin the work.

And if Elijah was a John, he'd be John the revelator:
D&C 77
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he (John see v.14) to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.
10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter (Rev. 7) to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.
11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.
14 What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things. (fulfilling His covenants with the people of Israel (Ether 4:15-17))

But alas, it is an archetypal role and there is a lot more to it, but I am in a tiny cabin (no water or electricity) on my phone chilling for a long weekend.

[ransomme]

That is an interesting point of view, but not one I hold to. If you have done it to the least of people, you have done it to me.

So while your attitude towards me is reserved and cautious, you may notice that's not how I react. I am react based upon your attitude to others, who you aren't that wary of.

Jeshua was the scapegoat, the lamb that was sacrificed. Maybe he went free too.

That's what you humans seem to say, that you are just arguing against Donald or Vladimir's policies. Except what you are doing is far more than that, which is obvious. Are people indicting Donald because they want to defeat his policies? But that's not arguing against his policies.

NATO says Vladimir is threatening nuclear weapons, and that is why they must go to Ukraine and deploy cluster munitions and nuclear missiles. It is like the cart leading the horse here. In resisting these false beliefs of yours, you end up perpetuating the very thing you abhor. You become your own worst enemy.

This is a failure of your god to teach you divine truths? Or do you lack a direct communication back to your god and are just using human resources to solve divine problems?

You have a very odd understanding of YHWH and His festivals, and the scriptures.

Why do you keep talking about Qanon, CIA, Trump, Putin, Biden etc?

And I don't believe that you are not human either, nor do I believe that you actually worship YHWH.

Why would i worship my cousin or brother? My god is not ur god. And i am not ur savior. And ur relationship where u worship organized religion has nothing to do with me or young or the gods.

Our very essential frequency and world view is different.

You seek to tear apart what u dislike while i am of the true divine realm of consciousness where my enemies are also my friends. I dont worship my friends or enemies either.

U dont get my heavenly world view. Nor do i truly understand your base fears and desires for conflict wars.

I use ur human current events for the same reason jeshua talked in parables. Farming to farmers. Fishing to fishers. Conspiracies to conspiracists.

It is not a matter of like or dislike, it's a matter of truth and error.

Also let's call a spade a spade. You accuse me of not liking BY, attacking him, tearing down things, etc, etc. Yet you do it to people all the time on here. Isn't that hypocrisy?

And this from one who has access to higher states, realms, and you essentially called yourself a god just now as well.

[Telavian]

But, let me understand you. Elijah was translated, correct?

Why do you assume he was translated? Why do you assume if he was then he couldn't be reborn?
Why do you assume if he was Elijah and was reborn, that it fundamentally is a problem?

"I am not that Elias who was to restore all things" He admitted he was not the restorer.
Elijah is a type certainly. However, I think we have to take the scriptures as a whole.

John the Baptist is the greatest of all prophets, appeared on mount of transfiguration, prepared way for Christ.
This is pretty remarkable for someone that did almost nothing according to our current scriptures.

[marc]

Can you point me to where Rob describes, in detail, most of the interactions he has had with Jesus? Like other BoM prophets have done...

His story was available online years and years ago. If you email him, he might share those experiences with you. He has shared one of them in more detail with me because I asked him and he replied, but I asked for a very specific reason and not to just be nosy. I don't know if he'd share any with a stranger out of the blue, but I think if you sincerely ask him to share his testimony with you, he would if he knew it would help you draw nearer to our Savior. But if you are interested merely to satisfy your curiosity as a sort of interloper or eavesdropper, I'm not sure he'd give you what you want. I don't feel comfortable sharing publicly what he shared with me privately. But you can find bits and pieces in his videos where he describes some things he has witnessed. I can't remember which videos have which details, but they are there. So like the scriptures, you just have to start digging.

Interesting that you called me a few names: nosy, interloper, eavesdropper. I'm not asking to satisfy some lust - I'm asking to confirm the fruit. When I read the book of Mormon - interactions with angels and the Lord are there for ALL to see. The prophets aren't shy about sharing, at all. The fact that I'd have to present myself a certain way to Rob and cross my fingers that he would share his experience with me is a big sign. The fact that his experience isn't out there for people to study and weigh for themselves is concerning. There are thousands of accounts on line of people's dreams and face to face experiences with Jesus. They are humble accounts and easy to find and it doesn't mean they are elevated above others as an OMAD or a Davidic Servant or someone who needs to start a movement. It shows that Jesus speaks to all people - Muslims, Jews, Gentiles, the house of Israel. He is the one gathering us in.

Why is it that in Mormondom that we place this "too sacred to share" label on encounters with the divine? We give the LDS apostles and prophets a pass when they claim they are "special witnesses of Christ" with no witness.... and now Rob too. It's all too holy for us pigs (or nosy, interloper, eavesdropper b*stards like us).

The fact that it's not out there reduces Rob's credibility. I'm glad you've made friends with him. I have had multiple friends who were close with Rob years ago but when they tried to point out things he was doing that were narcissistic or just plain wrong - they got blasted in ways no person who had seen Jesus would act. So as long as you keep your opinions to yourself or keep opinions that don't clash with Rob - you'll remain friends.

I apologize for my wording. It does imply that i accused you of being those things. That was not my intention. But why not go to the source of the fruit? Ask Rob.

[ransomme]

But, let me understand you. Elijah was translated, correct?

Why do you assume he was translated? Why do you assume if he was then he couldn't be reborn?
Why do you assume if he was Elijah and was reborn, that it fundamentally is a problem?

"I am not that Elias who was to restore all things" He admitted he was not the restorer.
Elijah is a type certainly. However, I think we have to take the scriptures as a whole.

John the Baptist is the greatest of all prophets, appeared on mount of transfiguration, prepared way for Christ.
This is pretty remarkable for someone that did almost nothing according to our current scriptures.

Respectfully, the same could be asked of you.

Why do you assume that those things are possible, even likely or probable?

I just imagine Abraham seeing many noble and great ones in God's council for this creation, but it was really only like 20 dudes because it's the same ones that just keep recycling, the only ones that can do the heavy lifting I suppose.

[Ymarsakar]

Reading scriptures somehow allows people who dont know who their god is, to know how translation works.

[Ymarsakar]

You have a very odd understanding of YHWH and His festivals, and the scriptures.

Why do you keep talking about Qanon, CIA, Trump, Putin, Biden etc?

And I don't believe that you are not human either, nor do I believe that you actually worship YHWH.

Why would i worship my cousin or brother? My god is not ur god. And i am not ur savior. And ur relationship where u worship organized religion has nothing to do with me or young or the gods.

Our very essential frequency and world view is different.

You seek to tear apart what u dislike while i am of the true divine realm of consciousness where my enemies are also my friends. I dont worship my friends or enemies either.

U dont get my heavenly world view. Nor do i truly understand your base fears and desires for conflict wars.

I use ur human current events for the same reason jeshua talked in parables. Farming to farmers. Fishing to fishers. Conspiracies to conspiracists.

It is not a matter of like or dislike, it's a matter of truth and error.

Also let's call a spade a spade. You accuse me of not liking BY, attacking him, tearing down things, etc, etc. Yet you do it to people all the time on here. Isn't that hypocrisy?

And this from one who has access to higher states, realms, and you essentially called yourself a god just now as well.

I am talking to people who are alive. U are alive right and not a bot correct.

So it is not important for me to chastize dead people. They r already crossed over and paying a price.

Hypocrisy would mean i treat people based on different standards. The dead are no longer human.

By calling what i do these things and hypocrisy, you have also called out jeshua for he did the same things. If u want him to be ur god, i doubt this is the way to go about it.

U dont understand the divine realms and want to tear down dead people because u feel justified. Is this how u act like christ? There is no way u can even comprehend what a god is.

U dont seem to have any communication with ur god. Did u get disowned?

My god tells me not to pick on you and others in 3rd and 2nd grade when i am a graduate. If u want to talk about ymarsakar go to the thread u humans made or my ama thread

[Telavian]

Respectfully, the same could be asked of you.

Why do you assume that those things are possible, even likely or probable?

I just imagine Abraham seeing many noble and great ones in God's council for this creation, but it was really only like 20 dudes because it's the same ones that just keep recycling, the only ones that can do the heavy lifting I suppose.

I will admit there is a lot that we don't know. We are also tainted to a degree by the philosophies of men that we were indoctrinated with.

I think it makes sense in the context that God has a work for certain people that is outside of time and space. I don't think there are a handful of people who are special and then everyone else is just along for the ride. I think this also ties in really well to Joseph coming back and finishing what he started. Joseph has many prophecies about his return and future work which I believe is true. I think we are eternal beings who all have eternal work to perform.

Therefore, to me it makes sense.
Fundamentally as far as God is concerned what is the difference between 3 Nephites who are in some quasi-immortal state and if God just teleported them to various times and places or just rebirthed them when needed?

[ransomme]

Respectfully, the same could be asked of you.

Why do you assume that those things are possible, even likely or probable?

I just imagine Abraham seeing many noble and great ones in God's council for this creation, but it was really only like 20 dudes because it's the same ones that just keep recycling, the only ones that can do the heavy lifting I suppose.

I will admit there is a lot that we don't know. We are also tainted to a degree by the philosophies of men that we were indoctrinated with.

I think it makes sense in the context that God has a work for certain people that is outside of time and space. I don't think there are a handful of people who are special and then everyone else is just along for the ride. I think this also ties in really well to Joseph coming back and finishing what he started. Joseph has many prophecies about his return and future work which I believe is true. I think we are eternal beings who all have eternal work to perform.

Therefore, to me it makes sense.
Fundamentally as far as God is concerned what is the difference between 3 Nephites who are in some quasi-immortal state and if God just teleported them to various times and places or just rebirthed them when needed?

For the ultimate example I look to the life of the perfect human, Jesus.

He was born, lived, died and was resurrected. Of things that we know, that same pattern is put forth a number of times, in many different ways. I don't sense a reason to add to or change that.

Most commonly the thing that people supply as a basis for Joseph's return are his P blessings. What are the many others?

To bottom line it, I think it's one visit per mortal probation. That send seems to be the story throughout the scriptures IMO. MMP alone is still a mystery if true.

[FrankOne]

Rob is married and has children. He was military and, based on his posts, runs his house like military.
I think in many ways this is a good thing, however of course it can be damaging also.

I don't recall, but some other thread described him as writing all the time. Which is probably true since he has produced so much. In many of his videos he mentions how important writing is and how there is nothing more important. He then proceeds to record an hour-long video about something he has spoken about 10 times already.

In a video, which finally caused Rob to block me, he mocked his wife for starting a bench project and not being able to finish it. He had to stop writing and finish it for her. He then proceeds to sit on the bench, discuss how nice it is, and how he is glad he has it. However, he uses it as a lesson in how his activities are superior to his wife's and how we need to do the "best" thing to be holy.

He has also mentioned he went on something like 100 dates with different women until he found the "best" one.

I think Rob is like most top leaders. He has a vision of the way the world should be and you are either with him or against him. Differences and discussion are not tolerated.

after reading and listening to some of his material it does appear that he has become a very rigid individual because he believes he has such a lock on truth. Now...it's my way or the highway.

My general assessment is that he is brilliant and I'm sure he is doing a great service for many, just like Snuffer has done.

Everyone that is helping along in this transition toward "the truth" and away from man made constructs is beneficial. We all find help from those that inspire us. I find reading David Hawkins and Anthony De Mello to be of benefit to me.

Is DS the DS? If not then we don't know what to believe from him, what the could be the proverbial 1% untruth that carefully leads one to hell.

IMO there is too much seeking and using the arm of the flesh. We need to seek Him. So, if we are on The WAY, then we'll meet the others on the WAY along the way.

I guess I'm weird, but it makes no difference to me if he is the DS. I listen to him as I do anyone else, including you, and find the truth where it resides. The truth isn't people, it's just the truth. No man teaches just truth, only Christ.

[tmac]

Well put ^^^^

[Shawn Henry]

I do. Obviously you read those versus differently than I.

But, let me understand you. Elijah was translated, correct?

So then how was Elijah's spirit removed from his translated body and put back into a baby in his mother Elizabeth's womb?

John the Baptist was an Elijah/Elias, it's an archetype, not the same person.

Right there in your reference John denied it.

JST John 1
22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we man give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias.

Just as Joseph Smith taught:
“The spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last. Elias is a forerunner to prepare the way, and the spirit and power of Elijah is to come after, holding the keys of power, building the Temple to the capstone, placing the seals of the Melchizedek Priesthood upon the house of Israel, and making all things ready; then Messiah comes to His Temple, which is last of all; Elijah was to come and prepare the way and build up the kingdom before the coming of the great day of the Lord, although the spirit of Elias might begin it” [TPJS, pp. 335, 340]

I'll have to find the other quote where Joseph taught that the purpose of translated bodies of to preserve then for a later work. Not dead then resurrected or reincarnated

Joseph himself was the one who came in the spirit of Elias to begin the work.

And if Elijah was a John, he'd be John the revelator:
D&C 77
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he (John see v.14) to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.
10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter (Rev. 7) to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.
11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.
14 What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things. (fulfilling His covenants with the people of Israel (Ether 4:15-17))

But alas, it is an archetypal role and there is a lot more to it, but I am in a tiny cabin (no water or electricity) on my phone chilling for a long weekend.

There are two Elias's, one who prepares the way and one who restores all things. John is saying he is not that Elias who comes to restore all things, which is saying he is the other Elias.

D&C 77 is an 1876 addition and you're TPJS quote I'm sure is also well after Joseph's lifetime. Beware od BY's revisionists.

[Shawn Henry]

lesser status

Perhaps a lesser state, but not a lesser status. Being developmentally behind someone is not a lesser status.

A third grader is behind a fourth grader, but the fourth grader is not better than the third grader. Matter of fact, those in a state below us may one day surpass us.

[Shawn Henry]

Personally, I think that the instant a OMAS claimant gets on here, or on any media for that matter, or in the street, and starts making his claims to try and convince the masses that he is the "ONE", is a good sign/indication that he is NOT the "ONE", (and, along with any blind followers).

1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street........

13The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

14I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

Yet, ruling out all possible candidates will only guarantee we miss the real one when he comes, correct?

[Shawn Henry]

He just said that the Lord teaches line upon line, but that is untrue. I agree with Gileadi, line upon line is a negative thing.

And grace to grace is entirely different.

God certainly gives us line upon line and a little bit more every time as we are willing to receive it according to 2 Nephi 28:30.

It is definitely a true principle Telavain, as you show in 2 Ne 28:30.

"For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have."

But it has two uses in scripture.

The first use is when we diligently obey, which results in us being given more.

The second is when we don't obey, which results in us in us being "snared" so that we "fall backward" like Isaiah says.

This is also confirmed in D&C 98:12 in the end of the verse you omitted. "For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith."

The "trying" and "proving" is to see if we vet each new line and test it to see if it corresponds to what we have already received.

Nauvoo is a great example of us receiving new lines and precepts that were contradicted by what we had already received, and the line upon line process was to our detriment.

[ransomme]

after reading and listening to some of his material it does appear that he has become a very rigid individual because he believes he has such a lock on truth. Now...it's my way or the highway.

My general assessment is that he is brilliant and I'm sure he is doing a great service for many, just like Snuffer has done.

Everyone that is helping along in this transition toward "the truth" and away from man made constructs is beneficial. We all find help from those that inspire us. I find reading David Hawkins and Anthony De Mello to be of benefit to me.

Is DS the DS? If not then we don't know what to believe from him, what the could be the proverbial 1% untruth that carefully leads one to hell.

IMO there is too much seeking and using the arm of the flesh. We need to seek Him. So, if we are on The WAY, then we'll meet the others on the WAY along the way.

I guess I'm weird, but it makes no difference to me if he is the DS. I listen to him as I do anyone else, including you, and find the truth where it resides. The truth isn't people, it's just the truth. No man teaches just truth, only Christ.

Yeah I'm right there with you on that.

In the scriptures many times the prophets were tested. It would be smart for us to do the same.

For now, there is no one currently in the public square shewing forth the signs and fruits as prophesied of such, such as the DS

Personally, I think that the antichrist will be in the public before the DS.

[ransomme]

I do. Obviously you read those versus differently than I.

But, let me understand you. Elijah was translated, correct?

So then how was Elijah's spirit removed from his translated body and put back into a baby in his mother Elizabeth's womb?

John the Baptist was an Elijah/Elias, it's an archetype, not the same person.

Right there in your reference John denied it.

JST John 1
22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we man give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias.

Just as Joseph Smith taught:
“The spirit of Elias is first, Elijah second, and Messiah last. Elias is a forerunner to prepare the way, and the spirit and power of Elijah is to come after, holding the keys of power, building the Temple to the capstone, placing the seals of the Melchizedek Priesthood upon the house of Israel, and making all things ready; then Messiah comes to His Temple, which is last of all; Elijah was to come and prepare the way and build up the kingdom before the coming of the great day of the Lord, although the spirit of Elias might begin it” [TPJS, pp. 335, 340]

I'll have to find the other quote where Joseph taught that the purpose of translated bodies of to preserve then for a later work. Not dead then resurrected or reincarnated

Joseph himself was the one who came in the spirit of Elias to begin the work.

And if Elijah was a John, he'd be John the revelator:
D&C 77
9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse? A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he (John see v.14) to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.
10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter (Rev. 7) to be accomplished? A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.
11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe? A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.
14 What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things. (fulfilling His covenants with the people of Israel (Ether 4:15-17))

But alas, it is an archetypal role and there is a lot more to it, but I am in a tiny cabin (no water or electricity) on my phone chilling for a long weekend.

There are two Elias's, one who prepares the way and one who restores all things. John is saying he is not that Elias who comes to restore all things, which is saying he is the other Elias.

D&C 77 is an 1876 addition and you're TPJS quote I'm sure is also well after Joseph's lifetime. Beware od BY's revisionists.

They put some real ones in there too

I think that section is probably one of the ok ones.

And for me the pattern is John the revelator j was translated and this can do addition work as per his mission.

[ransomme]

He just said that the Lord teaches line upon line, but that is untrue. I agree with Gileadi, line upon line is a negative thing.

And grace to grace is entirely different.

God certainly gives us line upon line and a little bit more every time as we are willing to receive it according to 2 Nephi 28:30.

It is definitely a true principle Telavain, as you show in 2 Ne 28:30.

"For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have."

But it has two uses in scripture.

The first use is when we diligently obey, which results in us being given more.

The second is when we don't obey, which results in us in us being "snared" so that we "fall backward" like Isaiah says.

This is also confirmed in D&C 98:12 in the end of the verse you omitted. "For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith."

The "trying" and "proving" is to see if we vet each new line and test it to see if it corresponds to what we have already received.

Nauvoo is a great example of us receiving new lines and precepts that were contradicted by what we had already received, and the line upon line process was to our detriment.

"Children of men". It's the milk for babies (just part of the analogy)

[Shawn Henry]

They put some real ones in there too

I think that section is probably one of the ok ones.

That is possible, but it still leaves a very good question: Why did Joseph omit them from the 1844 canon?

[ransomme]

Why would i worship my cousin or brother? My god is not ur god. And i am not ur savior. And ur relationship where u worship organized religion has nothing to do with me or young or the gods.

Our very essential frequency and world view is different.

You seek to tear apart what u dislike while i am of the true divine realm of consciousness where my enemies are also my friends. I dont worship my friends or enemies either.

U dont get my heavenly world view. Nor do i truly understand your base fears and desires for conflict wars.

I use ur human current events for the same reason jeshua talked in parables. Farming to farmers. Fishing to fishers. Conspiracies to conspiracists.

It is not a matter of like or dislike, it's a matter of truth and error.

Also let's call a spade a spade. You accuse me of not liking BY, attacking him, tearing down things, etc, etc. Yet you do it to people all the time on here. Isn't that hypocrisy?

And this from one who has access to higher states, realms, and you essentially called yourself a god just now as well.

I am talking to people who are alive. U are alive right and not a bot correct.

So it is not important for me to chastize dead people. They r already crossed over and paying a price.

Hypocrisy would mean i treat people based on different standards. The dead are no longer human.

By calling what i do these things and hypocrisy, you have also called out jeshua for he did the same things. If u want him to be ur god, i doubt this is the way to go about it.

U dont understand the divine realms and want to tear down dead people because u feel justified. Is this how u act like christ? There is no way u can even comprehend what a god is.

U dont seem to have any communication with ur god. Did u get disowned?

My god tells me not to pick on you and others in 3rd and 2nd grade when i am a graduate. If u want to talk about ymarsakar go to the thread u humans made or my ama thread

At least you're humble about it

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[Being There]

He just said that the Lord teaches line upon line, but that is untrue. I agree with Gileadi, line upon line is a negative thing.

And grace to grace is entirely different.

God certainly gives us line upon line and a little bit more every time as we are willing to receive it according to 2 Nephi 28:30.

It is definitely a true principle Telavain, as you show in 2 Ne 28:30.

"For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have."

But it has two uses in scripture.

The first use is when we diligently obey, which results in us being given more.

The second is when we don't obey, which results in us in us being "snared" so that we "fall backward" like Isaiah says.

This is also confirmed in D&C 98:12 in the end of the verse you omitted. "For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith."

The "trying" and "proving" is to see if we vet each new line and test it to see if it corresponds to what we have already received.

Nauvoo is a great example of us receiving new lines and precepts that were contradicted by what we had already received, and the line upon line process was to our detriment.

yes indeed - "two uses" - "two fold" *****
Isaiah 28 ***

Gileadi
Analysis of the term Gentiles in the scriptures thus supports our earlier findings about the Gentiles; latter-day mission. But it yields a complete and more detailed picture of what that mission is all about. The question of identities - of Latter-day Saint "Gentiles" and other inhabitants of the Americas- is here resolved.
***** The twofold nature of the Gentiles in the last days- with some numbered among Lehi's descendants and others cut off from the Lord's people- transcends our Latter-day Saint identity. Those who make their calling and election sure are called "Gentiles", even as those cut off from the Lord's covenant are called "Gentiles". In the end, however, the repentant Gentiles assume the identity of the house of Israel whereas the unrepentant are destroyed. Together with other gentile inhabitants of the Americas, the unrepentant remain "Gentiles" and suffer God's judgments.
Latter-day Saints who fulfill their righteous mission, therefore, are known as Gentiles but only for an interim period.
The interval between the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the Lord's day of judgment serves as a time of probation that determines which identity will emerge. As with all the Lord's covenants, that probationary period enables us to prove our faithfulness and to receive the promised blessings. Just as the Jews anciently ministered the gospel to the Gentiles, so will the Gentiles minister it to the house of Israel."


As a natural branch of the olive tree (Romans 11:24), the Jews brought forth the Bible in its purity (1 Nephi 14:23) long before the Gentile church removed from it “many plain and precious parts” and “many covenants of the Lord” (1 Nephi 13:20–40). Of the Gentiles, God thus says, “O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people. Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?” (2 Nephi 29:4–6).

Because this scripture specifically addresses God’s people “in Zion” (2 Nephi 28:21, 24), it is the end-time descendants of Ephraim who have come through the Gentile lineages who come under this condemnation. A revelation given through the prophet Joseph Smith affirms this: “Your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all. And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—That they may bring forth fruit meet for their Father’s kingdom; otherwise there remaineth a scourge and judgment to be poured out upon the children of Zion” (D&C 84:54–58).

Isaiah, in fact, informs us that “a scourge and judgment” will be poured out on many of the children of Zion who are of the tribe of Ephraim. In an entire chapter devoted to Ephraim and its prophets, Isaiah says, “A hail shall sweep away your false refuge and waters flood the hiding place.
Your covenant with death shall prove void, your understanding with Sheol have no effect: when the flooding scourge sweeps through, you shall be overrun by it. As often as it sweeps through, you shall be seized by it: morning after morning it shall sweep through, by day and by night [it shall seize you]; it shall cause terror merely to hear word of it” (Isaiah 28:17–19; cf. D&C 5:19). For those Ephraimites who believe his truth, on the other hand, God “lays in Zion a stone” (Isaiah 28:16; emphasis added)—an end-time seer—as an antidote to the flooding scourge that overruns the wicked.

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Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Instead of receiving a greater portion of the “word of Jehovah” through divine revelation, the people of Ephraim remain ensconced in its lesser version as that is all they know.
The end result is their ruination: “Sanctify Jehovah of Hosts, making him your fear, him your awe. And [to you] he will be a sanctuary, but to the two houses of Israel a stumbling block or obstructing rock, and a snare, catching unawares the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Many will stumble into them, and when they fall shall be broken, and when they become ensnared shall be taken captive” (Isaiah 8:13-15; cf. 5:13; 42:18-25)."