Rob Smith - OMAS?

[ransomme]

Getting back to RS, I do have a couple basic, practical, where-the-rubber-meets-the-road type questions: What is his marital status? Does he have children?

Maybe it’s just me, but to me he comes across as someone who might be quite prone to being a micro-managing control freak. Is it just me?

The question I can’t help ask is how could a spouse and/or children ever measure up?

I’ve been around a few people like that, and, at least in my experience, it’s not much fun. And, if a person were evaluating the joy of living the gospel based on their vibe, aura and demeanor, it would generally not be very persuasive.

Thoughts?

Rob is married and has children. He was military and, based on his posts, runs his house like military.
I think in many ways this is a good thing, however of course it can be damaging also.

I don't recall, but some other thread described him as writing all the time. Which is probably true since he has produced so much. In many of his videos he mentions how important writing is and how there is nothing more important. He then proceeds to record an hour-long video about something he has spoken about 10 times already.

In a video, which finally caused Rob to block me, he mocked his wife for starting a bench project and not being able to finish it. He had to stop writing and finish it for her. He then proceeds to sit on the bench, discuss how nice it is, and how he is glad he has it. However, he uses it as a lesson in how his activities are superior to his wife's and how we need to do the "best" thing to be holy.

He has also mentioned he went on something like 100 dates with different women until he found the "best" one.

I think Rob is like most top leaders. He has a vision of the way the world should be and you are either with him or against him. Differences and discussion are not tolerated.

after reading and listening to some of his material it does appear that he has become a very rigid individual because he believes he has such a lock on truth. Now...it's my way or the highway.

My general assessment is that he is brilliant and I'm sure he is doing a great service for many, just like Snuffer has done.

Everyone that is helping along in this transition toward "the truth" and away from man made constructs is beneficial. We all find help from those that inspire us. I find reading David Hawkins and Anthony De Mello to be of benefit to me.

Is DS the DS? If not then we don't know what to believe from him, what the could be the proverbial 1% untruth that carefully leads one to hell.

IMO there is too much seeking and using the arm of the flesh. We need to seek Him. So, if we are on The WAY, then we'll meet the others on the WAY along the way.

[Ymarsakar]

isn't that also what you do? to channel some higher being??

All inspired writings are channeled from a meta mind, the human earth solar morphogenetic field.

All prophets communicated to god via channeling.

I do translation instead. Generally my god is not interested in mortals usually to channel through my senses.

There are many gods, which is yours?

Someone that doesn't care to name themselves to you nor do they care whether you are destroyed or not.

If Jeshua is a kindly compassionate person, this god would be more similar to the angel of death.

[ransomme]

All inspired writings are channeled from a meta mind, the human earth solar morphogenetic field.

All prophets communicated to god via channeling.

I do translation instead. Generally my god is not interested in mortals usually to channel through my senses.

There are many gods, which is yours?

Someone that doesn't care to name themselves to you nor do they care whether you are destroyed or not.

If Jeshua is a kindly compassionate person, this god would be more similar to the angel of death.

Ok, fair enough. One last question about your god if that's ok, Would we recognize the name?

Just curious, because not all seek notoriety amongst the fallen.

[Ymarsakar]

He is NOT THE OMAS!

I am horrified that there are people in this thread even considering Rob as anything other than a skilled Sociopath.

Rob is a beautiful cross between Mormon cult leader Phil Davis and Human Trafficker Andrew Tate. Both are Sociopath's. I am not trying to belittle Rob - I know he is a "son of God" just like everyone else here but the dude is not right in the head. Satan can influence us to go down strange roads and Rob is one of them. He flips out if people don't give him enough views on his videos and he rips on people for not reviewing his books and condemns them to hell. I've followed his writings from the beginning because he is fascinating to watch as a sociopath and nothing more. Sociopath's are skilled at making people listen to them and do what they say.

Rob didn't answer for or against him being the OMAS because he's skilled at manipulation. I'll tell you the answer: He ain't. He so ain't.

You been watching cnn and twitter?

So you believe Tate is a human trafficker and you think Rob is not right in the head.... hahaha

Do your research: https://youtu.be/uLqCS0esFPE

If you can't be bothered - Tate openly brags about taking millions from men and using women to do it. And that was two years ago. If you're on a steady diet of Candace Owens you'll be manipulated just like she was. He's a sociopath - so it's not hard to be taken in by him. Just like Rob. Just like Phil.
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I did my research. You obviously think you did your due diligence. Doesn't look like it.

Oh you want to go after Candace Owens too.

You are a perfect example of how manipulation works.

Next time you brag about sociopaths, you will be charged with human trafficking and receive 3 months in solitary confinement. I am sure I have your agreement on this, right.

The only way someone like you can learn your lessons is by experiencing what it looks like from Tate and Candace's point of view. Which I will gladly arrange.

Everyone you disagree with, like Tucker Carlson showing how Tate is innocent, is a sociopath, right? Heh

[Ymarsakar]

There are many gods, which is yours?

Someone that doesn't care to name themselves to you nor do they care whether you are destroyed or not.

If Jeshua is a kindly compassionate person, this god would be more similar to the angel of death.

Ok, fair enough. One last question about your god if that's ok, Would we recognize the name?

Just curious, because not all seek notoriety amongst the fallen.

The elder gods below the Most High, don't have names in fact.

The fallen is something you would be more closely related to, right?

[ransomme]

Someone that doesn't care to name themselves to you nor do they care whether you are destroyed or not.

If Jeshua is a kindly compassionate person, this god would be more similar to the angel of death.

Ok, fair enough. One last question about your god if that's ok, Would we recognize the name?

Just curious, because not all seek notoriety amongst the fallen.

The elder gods below the Most High, don't have names in fact.

The fallen is something you would be more closely related to, right?

Either way, I seek to be one of the redeemed and adopted into YHWH's house.

[Ymarsakar]

Ok, fair enough. One last question about your god if that's ok, Would we recognize the name?

Just curious, because not all seek notoriety amongst the fallen.

The elder gods below the Most High, don't have names in fact.

The fallen is something you would be more closely related to, right?

Either way, I seek to be one of the redeemed and adopted into YHWH's house.

And how is that plan going while you beat Brigham the dead horse Young?

I envision a heaven where everyone finds some dead person they dislike and puts all the sins of the world unto this scapegoat and sacrifice it. Wait I was mistaken .That's not heaven.

[Ymarsakar]

To elaborate on this "many gods" system, it is much like a spiritual hierarchy. There is the top, the Most High, who sometimes is referred to as the Ancient of Days or some other round a bout way.

Jeshua had a god. Jeshua's god had a god. Jeshua's god had a god which had a father god. Until eventually you get to Prime Father and Prime Mother, the Creator Source of Alpha and Omega.

If this sounds like a lesser god or elohim like YHVH, well that's because YHVH is a fractal of these higher gods. Gods have children, so gods like YHVH can be a child too, even as they father other children.

So in a universe or matrix system of "eternal progress" there tends to be an eternity of rank as well. People who rank higher than you or loewr than you, via seniority.

But let's put this aside and just look at how personal gods treat their charges. It is very similar to how guardian angels work except guardian angels cannot stop you from killing yourself. Your god can and will at times, either taking over your body, resurrecting you, or doing something else that is essentially overriding your free will.

And yes these are personal testimonies from people that are legitimate. These aren't theories you read in a Rockefeller textbook.

So Marc has a human definition and role model, much like most children have a role model or hero they look up to and want to become. But that's not their father or personal parental/guardian. Their parents are somebody else entirely.

So each child of god is not some demi god from source, you all aren't that special. They tend to be much lower in rank due to immaturity of spirit. Some have stronger an more mature souls. Others, not so much. Look at human jails.

So Marc's personal god is the entity charged with Marc's education and preservation and maturity. So if Marc is not progressing quickly or unable to grasp certain relationships and esoteric knowledge, that reflects on his god as well. His divine family lineage.

As a human though, nobody actually is taught by rockefellers that you have personal angels and gods looking after you. That's not how they want to raise obedient slaves. Rockefellers teach you fear, to obey. If you knew you had guardian angels, you would be less obedient to the matrix.

By what criteria do we rank the maturity of said gods or their ranking? Power. Easy.

YHVH is an elohim but is more powerful than other elohim thus this elohim is special and keeps promises. A Creator god. Indeed, YHVH may have created this entire galaxy or universe. Yet that is not the Most High. Eternity extends beyond a single galaxy or universe.

What type of power would an eldar god or the Most high have? Time travel? Sure. Space time manipulation and instant manifestation/teleportation? Why not. The ability to create solar systems on a whim and to destroy them? No problem.

And these are minor powers. While we cannot prove or disprove the existence of eldar gods and their powers, we can see how much their children onEarth take after their parents, their personal god.

Thus I am a fractal image of my god.

If your parents are your bloodline, then you will share some similar traits with them. As you grow up certainly.

Why is it some people were able to avoid the mrna and others asked the holy spirit and either got a vague answer or a non answer?

Because some people's gods are not that strong. And some people's gods aren't as good communicating with their human avatar children.

Humans tend to take pride in being better than others. They seem to think this means they are more worthy. No, that's not what it means. It simply means that their personal god was stronger or smarter than other people's personal gods.

[An Eye Single]

Getting back to RS, I do have a couple basic, practical, where-the-rubber-meets-the-road type questions: What is his marital status? Does he have children?

Maybe it’s just me, but to me he comes across as someone who might be quite prone to being a micro-managing control freak. Is it just me?

The question I can’t help ask is how could a spouse and/or children ever measure up?

I’ve been around a few people like that, and, at least in my experience, it’s not much fun. And, if a person were evaluating the joy of living the gospel based on their vibe, aura and demeanor, it would generally not be very persuasive.

Thoughts?

This is going to deviate just a bit from the topic of Rob Smith, in particular, but I think that this brings up some things about God that we don’t like to think about a lot.

While I wouldn’t call God a “micro-managing control freak,” I know that, if most people experienced him in his fulness, they would be prone to think that about him. In actuality, he is “exacting” in his love for us. Read Hebrews 12. If you would be a son, you should expect rebukes, chastening, and scourging—not because God is mean, but because he loves you. Verses 7-8 go on say that if don’t “endure chastening,” you are a bastard, and not a son. There is a reason why the word “endure” is used. That chastening is unpleasant to anyone who does not have an accurate understanding of God’s love for them. Even the initial mercy that he extends towards us in forgiveness rests upon principles of justice that he must adhere to or he would cease to be God. And then beyond that mercy, there is an aspect of God that is so “firm” and “unyielding” that anyone who has not partaken of his love will see him as cruel and harsh when he is not.

God has the highest expectations of us. We should unfailingly rise to our best understanding of his expectations of us. To do anything else would be to expect him (and ourselves) to find lasting joy in being satisfied with our lower expectations for ourselves, and that just doesn’t happen—for him or for us (see Alma 41:10). The demands of justice will absolutely not allow it.

Was Moses doing his best? Or Saul? Or Alma the younger?

You might need to shift your paradigm somewhat to better understand mercy and how all the seemingly outliers fit in too.

I’m sorry, ransomme. Why and in what way would I need to shift my paradigm? Not trying to bait you. I want to make sure that I am understanding why I would need to. To me, Moses, Saul (I’m assuming you mean the guy who was later called Paul, not King Saul), and Alma the Younger are great examples of individuals who were partakers of God’s mercy and who then lived according to their best understanding of him.

[ransomme]

The elder gods below the Most High, don't have names in fact.

The fallen is something you would be more closely related to, right?

Either way, I seek to be one of the redeemed and adopted into YHWH's house.

And how is that plan going while you beat Brigham the dead horse Young?

I envision a heaven where everyone finds some dead person they dislike and puts all the sins of the world unto this scapegoat and sacrifice it. Wait I was mistaken .That's not heaven.

Beating down the false doctrines of the man is not beating the man, who is dead. Just the same as I best beat down Marxism even though Karl is dead. Even then I wouldn't talk about either of them if their false ideas didn't persist in the world.

Also the scapegoat isn't sacrificed, it is set free into the wilderness.

[ransomme]

This is going to deviate just a bit from the topic of Rob Smith, in particular, but I think that this brings up some things about God that we don’t like to think about a lot.

While I wouldn’t call God a “micro-managing control freak,” I know that, if most people experienced him in his fulness, they would be prone to think that about him. In actuality, he is “exacting” in his love for us. Read Hebrews 12. If you would be a son, you should expect rebukes, chastening, and scourging—not because God is mean, but because he loves you. Verses 7-8 go on say that if don’t “endure chastening,” you are a bastard, and not a son. There is a reason why the word “endure” is used. That chastening is unpleasant to anyone who does not have an accurate understanding of God’s love for them. Even the initial mercy that he extends towards us in forgiveness rests upon principles of justice that he must adhere to or he would cease to be God. And then beyond that mercy, there is an aspect of God that is so “firm” and “unyielding” that anyone who has not partaken of his love will see him as cruel and harsh when he is not.

God has the highest expectations of us. We should unfailingly rise to our best understanding of his expectations of us. To do anything else would be to expect him (and ourselves) to find lasting joy in being satisfied with our lower expectations for ourselves, and that just doesn’t happen—for him or for us (see Alma 41:10). The demands of justice will absolutely not allow it.

Was Moses doing his best? Or Saul? Or Alma the younger?

You might need to shift your paradigm somewhat to better understand mercy and how all the seemingly outliers fit in too.

I’m sorry, ransomme. Why and in what way would I need to shift my paradigm? Not trying to bait you. I want to make sure that I am understanding why I would need to. To me, Moses, Saul (I’m assuming you mean the guy who was later called Paul, not King Saul), and Alma the Younger are great examples of individuals who were partakers of God’s mercy and who then lived according to their best understanding of him.

Yes they three all became valiant, but at the time of their choosing were they being or at their best?

This is one reason I said Saul and not Paul. Did Saul or Alma deserve the mercy they received when they received it?

I suggested that you may need to rethink what you had said because it seemed to me that these three cases and countless others would not qualify per the standard that you were articulating as I saw it

Does that make sense?

[Wolfwoman]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

My one word to describe Rob is… pessimistic.

I guess I’m kind of an eternal optimist. So maybe our energies just don’t mesh well.

But he is always so down on everything!

Don’t get married because nobody is good enough to get married.

The world is coming to an end soon and there will be death and destruction all around you. Be afraid.

These are the messages I get from him.

[ransomme]

I believe the OMAS is the resurrected Joseph Smith, not a sagebrush prophet.

Either there were a lot of false prophecies about Joseph, or he is coming back to finish the work in some substantial form.
Interestingly, someone asked Rob in his video about Joseph Smith coming back and Rob very clearly said that it won't be Joseph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vbTk1JudZw

He seems to be caught up in the idea that if Joseph comes back then it has to be as a spirit or a resurrected being. I think the marvelous work would be, at least partly, Joseph coming back to life just like Lazarus. Honestly, if God can bring Lazarus back to life after 4 days then why couldn't he do the same to Joseph after 200 years?

I'd go with false prophecies and false interpretations. Especially if you are relying on scripture.

Challenge yourself...
Can you find another instance, let alone pattern in the scriptures that would fit having a resurrected being openly minister to the world?

IMO God's way is to use the weak things of the world to bring great things to come to pass.

It's there doctrine on the scriptures that directly teaches against such an idea?

IMO the BoM clearly does.

[ransomme]

He just said that the Lord teaches line upon line, but that is untrue. I agree with Gileadi, line upon line is a negative thing.

And grace to grace is entirely different.

[Ymarsakar]

I really like Rob Smith's comment on polygamy (from the comments on the vid OP linked to (my emphasis)

---QUOTE---

"...We live in a world where hardly anyone who is married ought to be, and where anyone considering it is almost surely making an enormous mistake. People are so wicked that marriage (mono) has ceased to be something that most people should do, and has become something only very righteous people should do. Anyone else is walking into hell on earth when every reason has been given to expect precisely that.

If this is true of monogamous relationships, how much more true is it for polygamy, which is so much more difficult and unlikely to be beneficial. That being said, if someone wants to walk into the fire of whatever marriage they want, and I've said my peace about why they should not, I have nothing more to say about it, so long as they are not coercing others into doing so. I will not be among them, barring some unforeseen miracle greater than Moses parting the Red Sea. I believe the quality of people is so bad today that if I suddenly found myself as single as as an individually wrapped slice of cheese, I would be utterly without any example of anyone I'd ever want to entertain the idea of dating. I know far too much about human nature at this point, and I would not be surprised if all hypothetical righteous women felt the same about men.

I happen to have wonderful reasons why there is a time and a circumstance where, for very specific kinds of people, polygamy is the best possible option. But I know of none of what is required for that to be the case being around right now, at least from what I've seen.

Polygamy is not some gateway to heaven, nor is it the point of anything in and of itself. It's a consolation for the rarity of very good men and the existence of very good women, and it's still something that would only apply to very few of them who happened to see it as a good thing in their situation. I do not see any very good men or very good women right now, so what is the need to talk about any of this right now? Why not just focus on helping people become better men and women?

There are a million things to talk about that are more important than polygamy, not just because they all must be understood before this can be understood, but because they are also much more important than polygamy. No one will ever understand them while they are not yet living up to what they do understand. We can't just look past our willful sin and expect to understand or properly judge what lies beyond.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of people who will not stop bringing up polygamy: 1) those who know they are living in sin, and are desperate for some reason to write off one who is calling them out on it, and 2) those whose hearts of full of lust who love anything that allows their fantasy of what relationships are to continue.

I only bring up the topic because eventually some people will be living this for all the right reasons, and when they do, it will not be a red flag nor a sign that they had ulterior motives in anything else they did before. The point (again, much more general than polygamy) is that anyone who knows God better than you is going to believe in things that you do not believe. If your rule is to judge them by the similarity of what you presently believe, you will absolutely cut yourself off from knowing more about God than you presently do...."

---END QUOTE---


Personally I think a LOT of guys who support polygamy, either overtly or by implication, fall into the second category Rob lists - lustful older guys with bad marriages who stick with a wife they can't stand in hopes of getting to be able to do it "chastely" with a dozen hot girls in Eternity. Awful sad, debased and tragic. Because this is NOT being loyal to your marriage in life, it's just another form of adultery and betrayal.

My one word to describe Rob is… pessimistic.

I guess I’m kind of an eternal optimist. So maybe our energies just don’t mesh well.

But he is always so down on everything!

Don’t get married because nobody is good enough to get married.

The world is coming to an end soon and there will be death and destruction all around you. Be afraid.

These are the messages I get from him.

If Rob is getting similar knowledge as I got in 2006, "pessimism" is a crude way to describe it. More like disillusioned and lost faith in humanity.

This seems to be his god's test for him. And your god's test for you is different, so don't mix them together.

Just because two people can talk about following Jesus or God, doesn't mean their lives are interconnected.

Personal revelation is important because you should trust in your god and have a personal relationship and a communication method. Instead of listening to humans that are flawed and corrupt.

[Ymarsakar]

Beating down the false doctrines of the man is not beating the man, who is dead. Just the same as I best beat down Marxism even though Karl is dead. Even then I wouldn't talk about either of them if their false ideas didn't persist in the world.

Also the scapegoat isn't sacrificed, it is set free into the wilderness.

That is an interesting point of view, but not one I hold to. If you have done it to the least of people, you have done it to me.

So while your attitude towards me is reserved and cautious, you may notice that's not how I react. I am react based upon your attitude to others, who you aren't that wary of.

Jeshua was the scapegoat, the lamb that was sacrificed. Maybe he went free too.

That's what you humans seem to say, that you are just arguing against Donald or Vladimir's policies. Except what you are doing is far more than that, which is obvious. Are people indicting Donald because they want to defeat his policies? But that's not arguing against his policies.

NATO says Vladimir is threatening nuclear weapons, and that is why they must go to Ukraine and deploy cluster munitions and nuclear missiles. It is like the cart leading the horse here. In resisting these false beliefs of yours, you end up perpetuating the very thing you abhor. You become your own worst enemy.

This is a failure of your god to teach you divine truths? Or do you lack a direct communication back to your god and are just using human resources to solve divine problems?

[Telavian]

Challenge yourself...
Can you find another instance, let alone pattern in the scriptures that would fit having a resurrected being openly minister to the world?

John the Baptist was Elijah.

Luke 7:28 - John the Baptist greatest prophet
JST John 1:19-22 - Doesn't deny being Elijah
JST Mark 9:1-13 - John the Baptist was Elijah
JST Luke 9:30 - John the Baptist was Elijah who appeared on mount of transfiguration
JST Matthew 17:1-13 - John the Baptist is Elijah
JST Luke 1:15-17 - John the Baptist is Elijah

Challenge yourself...
Why don't you believe God?

[Telavian]

He just said that the Lord teaches line upon line, but that is untrue. I agree with Gileadi, line upon line is a negative thing.

God does give us what we are capable of bearing and as we are more capable we receive more. D&C 98:12

However, the line upon line of Isaiah 28:10 is actually an insult.
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;"

This scripture is commonly interpreted to mean that God gives one degree of knowledge and then another as we are ready. God certainly gives us line upon line and a little bit more every time as we are willing to receive it according to 2 Nephi 28:30. Therefore, I don’t doubt the concept. However, the scripture itself is actually an insult.

Isaiah 28 begins by describing how sad Jehovah is that his people have turned away from him. They had such a promising future yet verse 7 describes “the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink”. In this case the strong drink is the drink of self-deception from Babylon. The priests “err in vision” because they are more concerned about worldly cares than the cares of God. Verse 8 describes that the people’s offerings to God are “full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.” Verse 9 describes how Jehovah has no one to teach as no one is listening to his message. No one is capable of being weaned from the most basic milk of the gospel.

Verse 10 actually describes how God has to speak to his people in what would be best translated from the Hebrew as baby talk. This is essentially, “goo goo gaga” or very basic repetition for a baby. Verse 11 clarifies that God has to speak with “stammering lips and another tongue”. This is in no way positive and is frankly quite sad. Jehovah had worked with his people and done everything he could for them, and yet they constantly sought after the false gods of their neighbors. Imagine how sad you would be if you had a child that willingly wouldn’t move past a baby stage even though you knew they were capable of doing so.

[An Eye Single]

Was Moses doing his best? Or Saul? Or Alma the younger?

You might need to shift your paradigm somewhat to better understand mercy and how all the seemingly outliers fit in too.

I’m sorry, ransomme. Why and in what way would I need to shift my paradigm? Not trying to bait you. I want to make sure that I am understanding why I would need to. To me, Moses, Saul (I’m assuming you mean the guy who was later called Paul, not King Saul), and Alma the Younger are great examples of individuals who were partakers of God’s mercy and who then lived according to their best understanding of him.

Yes they three all became valiant, but at the time of their choosing were they being or at their best?

This is one reason I said Saul and not Paul. Did Saul or Alma deserve the mercy they received when they received it?

I suggested that you may need to rethink what you had said because it seemed to me that these three cases and countless others would not qualify per the standard that you were articulating as I saw it

Does that make sense?

Yes, that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification.

In saying, “Even the initial mercy that he extends towards us in forgiveness rests upon principles of justice that he must adhere to or he would cease to be God,” I certainly did not mean to imply that any “natural man” deserves mercy and grace. That is definitely not the case.

But there are conditions that can and need to be met in order to put off the “natural man” and partake of God’s mercy and grace, and Moses, Saul, Alma the Younger and many others met those conditions and received forgiveness and access to a greater portion of God’s spirit. My point in saying that we should “rise up to the best understanding of God’s expectations for us” is that, once a person receives those things, any deviation from their best understanding is sin. They are no longer forgiven, and they lose that greater portion of God’s spirit.

Hope that clears things up.

[Grassland]

Can you point me to where Rob describes, in detail, most of the interactions he has had with Jesus? Like other BoM prophets have done...

His story was available online years and years ago. If you email him, he might share those experiences with you. He has shared one of them in more detail with me because I asked him and he replied, but I asked for a very specific reason and not to just be nosy. I don't know if he'd share any with a stranger out of the blue, but I think if you sincerely ask him to share his testimony with you, he would if he knew it would help you draw nearer to our Savior. But if you are interested merely to satisfy your curiosity as a sort of interloper or eavesdropper, I'm not sure he'd give you what you want. I don't feel comfortable sharing publicly what he shared with me privately. But you can find bits and pieces in his videos where he describes some things he has witnessed. I can't remember which videos have which details, but they are there. So like the scriptures, you just have to start digging.

Interesting that you called me a few names: nosy, interloper, eavesdropper. I'm not asking to satisfy some lust - I'm asking to confirm the fruit. When I read the book of Mormon - interactions with angels and the Lord are there for ALL to see. The prophets aren't shy about sharing, at all. The fact that I'd have to present myself a certain way to Rob and cross my fingers that he would share his experience with me is a big sign. The fact that his experience isn't out there for people to study and weigh for themselves is concerning. There are thousands of accounts on line of people's dreams and face to face experiences with Jesus. They are humble accounts and easy to find and it doesn't mean they are elevated above others as an OMAD or a Davidic Servant or someone who needs to start a movement. It shows that Jesus speaks to all people - Muslims, Jews, Gentiles, the house of Israel. He is the one gathering us in.

Why is it that in Mormondom that we place this "too sacred to share" label on encounters with the divine? We give the LDS apostles and prophets a pass when they claim they are "special witnesses of Christ" with no witness.... and now Rob too. It's all too holy for us pigs (or nosy, interloper, eavesdropper b*stards like us).

The fact that it's not out there reduces Rob's credibility. I'm glad you've made friends with him. I have had multiple friends who were close with Rob years ago but when they tried to point out things he was doing that were narcissistic or just plain wrong - they got blasted in ways no person who had seen Jesus would act. So as long as you keep your opinions to yourself or keep opinions that don't clash with Rob - you'll remain friends.

[ransomme]

Beating down the false doctrines of the man is not beating the man, who is dead. Just the same as I best beat down Marxism even though Karl is dead. Even then I wouldn't talk about either of them if their false ideas didn't persist in the world.

Also the scapegoat isn't sacrificed, it is set free into the wilderness.

That is an interesting point of view, but not one I hold to. If you have done it to the least of people, you have done it to me.

So while your attitude towards me is reserved and cautious, you may notice that's not how I react. I am react based upon your attitude to others, who you aren't that wary of.

Jeshua was the scapegoat, the lamb that was sacrificed. Maybe he went free too.

That's what you humans seem to say, that you are just arguing against Donald or Vladimir's policies. Except what you are doing is far more than that, which is obvious. Are people indicting Donald because they want to defeat his policies? But that's not arguing against his policies.

NATO says Vladimir is threatening nuclear weapons, and that is why they must go to Ukraine and deploy cluster munitions and nuclear missiles. It is like the cart leading the horse here. In resisting these false beliefs of yours, you end up perpetuating the very thing you abhor. You become your own worst enemy.

This is a failure of your god to teach you divine truths? Or do you lack a direct communication back to your god and are just using human resources to solve divine problems?

You have a very odd understanding of YHWH and His festivals, and the scriptures.

Why do you keep talking about Qanon, CIA, Trump, Putin, Biden etc?

And I don't believe that you are not human either, nor do I believe that you actually worship YHWH.

[Grassland]

All inspired writings are channeled from a meta mind, the human earth solar morphogenetic field.

All prophets communicated to god via channeling.

I do translation instead. Generally my god is not interested in mortals usually to channel through my senses.

There are many gods, which is yours?

Someone that doesn't care to name themselves to you nor do they care whether you are destroyed or not.

If Jeshua is a kindly compassionate person, this god would be more similar to the angel of death.

Your response indicates you didn't watch the video of Andrew Tate admitting - out of his own mouth - to pimping women and scamming men. It's at about the 3 min 30 second mark. He did these things in 2020 and 2021. :

https://youtu.be/uLqCS0esFPE

With Candace Owens he said he hadn't done the web business in 8-10 years and that he had changed. That was a lie. So if you're on a steady diet of Candace and Tucker and you don't get your news directly from the person - then your research is incomplete. I listen to Candace and Tucker but I don't drink down everything they say as the absolute truth. Anyone seeking Truth should never just wholly take one's word for it. Test the fruit directly.

I make sure to do my research that the person I'm listening to or reading from is who they say they are.

Like Rob - is he who he claims to be? A present father? A kind husband? A sinless man? He isn't. I'm sorry he's a golden calf for some of you and that my words are offensive but I won't sit idly by when people put more emphasis on a person rather than on Jesus Himself. Rob points to Jesus but he also points to himself. A true servant only points to Jesus.

[Telavian]

The fact that it's not out there reduces Rob's credibility. I'm glad you've made friends with him. I have had multiple friends who were close with Rob years ago but when they tried to point out things he was doing that were narcissistic or just plain wrong - they got blasted in ways no person who had seen Jesus would act. So as long as you keep your opinions to yourself or keep opinions that don't clash with Rob - you'll remain friends.

I have been open that I have had a negative experience with Rob which has certainly biased me to a degree. However, can we reframe the discussion a little?
This entire thread is about how Rob may be the OMAS, which I think is a possibility of course. The same for anyone.

However, the simple question I have is, is there a single fruit or divine evidence that Rob is any different from anyone else?
Has he done, produced, or manifested anything that shows divine acceptance to any degree?

I just finished researching the First Vision and it was interesting to realize that the First Vision wasn't even a tool for early missionaries at all. It wasn't published, in the US, until 2 years before Joseph's death. Therefore, the First Vision was largely irrelevant for the early church, the same can be said of Rob's "First Vision" if he had one. Why should that even be part of the discussion? The tool to show Joseph's prophetic mission was the Book of Mormon. What is Rob's equivalent?

In my opinion, a lot of people like Rob or Denver or anyone else because they simply talk a lot. With just enough spirituality to intrigue you, but not enough to actually change you.

[Being There]

“Did you know that women peak physically at
age 16? It is interesting that... modern
society has made it taboo for a man to marry a 16 year old or so woman, suggesting it is inappropriate to find a 16 year old or so woman attractive.”

- Rob Smith
"The Problem With The Women" pg. 21

“One false idea widely promoted is that girls should experience the same kind of education as boys."
​
"Intentionally raising kids in a
topsy-turvy world" pg. 8

Sounds like he relates to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young a great deal. Good candidate for the “OMAS.”

exactly, and is why he is a Good candidate for NOT being the “OMAS.”

[Mamabear]

Rob sounds like SWK.

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The unrealistic perfect mormon stepford wife syndrome that has caused women to loathe and alter themselves. And people like Rob wonder why SLC is the plastic surgery capital.